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onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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I, personally, don't see anything of iOS 7 tempting me to switch back. I think iOS 7 is great mainly for dedicated iOS users who have had to wait for these new features, but nothing screams "come on back." Nothing screams "this will now finally be a better experience than Android."

At the end of the day, iOS 7 is still what it is with a new icons, more transparency effects, and some new features that are finally finding their way to the OS. There's nothing dramatically different about iOS' limitations; a lot of them are still there.
 

torana355

macrumors 68040
Dec 8, 2009
3,633
2,734
Sydney, Australia
Im trying out iOS7 now on a friends iPhone 5 and it not even close to making me want to switch back from my Nexus 4. I love Android, i love being able to run a custom rom and kernel to make the phone even faster and better on battery, i love having complete control over the device and being able to apply themes, i love being able browse the actual file structure with a file manager, i love being able to copy stuff onto the phone like a usb stick, i love being able to set default apps, i love being able to use any sound file i may have as a ringtone or notification sound, i love being able to share any file i like though any app i like (this is a biggy). The list goes on.... Lastly i love the fact that Android is only going to get better with the release of Key Lime Pie.
 

Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
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859
I, personally, don't see anything of iOS 7 tempting me to switch back. I think iOS 7 is great mainly for dedicated iOS users who have had to wait for these new features, but nothing screams "come on back." Nothing screams "this will now finally be a better experience than Android."

At the end of the day, iOS 7 is still what it is with a new icons, more transparency effects, and some new features that are finally finding their way to the OS. There's nothing dramatically different about iOS' limitations; a lot of them are still there.

It's a more mature UI and OS for iOS users. iOS for the grownups.
 

Mochi Hana

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2010
532
1
Texas
I think for now I'm going to continue using an Android phone as my daily driver. I'll still get to experience iOS 7 on my iPad, so I get the best of both worlds.
 

batting1000

macrumors 604
Sep 4, 2011
7,464
1,874
Florida
Typical Apple. Announce IOS 7. Give it to developers. Let the users wait 4 or 5 months to get it on our devices. I have no issue waiting for IOS 7 for my IPad, but am very satisfied using my HTC One now! Nothing much extremely exciting announced with IOS 7 yesterday. Loved the IPandora copy........

So what would you call Google Music All Access? A new, innovative idea?
 

collinmac

macrumors member
Apr 14, 2006
86
0
Chilliwack, BC
I've had an iphone 3g and iphone 4. I've since switched to a Galaxy S3 and regretted the decision big time. The biggest thing for me is the keyboard, the iphone is much more responsive and accurate, the android OS not so much. I find myself making way more mistakes than on the iphone.

As soon as I can i'll be moving to an iphone again. iOS7 is just the icing on the cake for me. It looks incredible.
 

dime21

macrumors 6502
Dec 9, 2010
483
1
I switched to Android about two years ago myself, from my iPhone 3GS. There were two motivators for the switch.

1. The camera. At least on the 3GS, the camera is absolute trash. The optics are so poor, you have heavy graining even in direct sunlight pictures. Completely unacceptable. I understand the iPhone 4 and 5 have improved this significantly, so it may be a non issue these days.

2. The interface. At my new job, the PC is locked down, I cannot install my own software, like iTunes. At home, I use Debian Linux, for which iTunes is unavailable. Since the only way to transfer music, photos, videos, etc. to/from the phone is using the iTunes application, I can't do much with the phone. Its a crippling defect for me. Android on the other hand, you simply plug it in (using a standard micro-USB cable... not a proprietary one like Apple) and it shows up on my machine just like a thumb drive. Drag-n-drop your music, photos, whatever you like. Easy, and is totally cross platform, works on Linux, OSX, and Windows, since it uses all industry standard stuff, no proprietary stuff.

The new iPhone 5 and iOS 7 is attractive, for sure, and I'd like to switch back. But I need to know that I can use the device, and not be crippled by iTunes. Has Apple done anything to correct this deficiency?
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
2,004
0
I switched to Android about two years ago myself, from my iPhone 3GS. There were two motivators for the switch.

1. The camera. At least on the 3GS, the camera is absolute trash. The optics are so poor, you have heavy graining even in direct sunlight pictures. Completely unacceptable. I understand the iPhone 4 and 5 have improved this significantly, so it may be a non issue these days.

2. The interface. At my new job, the PC is locked down, I cannot install my own software, like iTunes. At home, I use Debian Linux, for which iTunes is unavailable. Since the only way to transfer music, photos, videos, etc. to/from the phone is using the iTunes application, I can't do much with the phone. Its a crippling defect for me. Android on the other hand, you simply plug it in (using a standard micro-USB cable... not a proprietary one like Apple) and it shows up on my machine just like a thumb drive. Drag-n-drop your music, photos, whatever you like. Easy, and is totally cross platform, works on Linux, OSX, and Windows, since it uses all industry standard stuff, no proprietary stuff.

The new iPhone 5 and iOS 7 is attractive, for sure, and I'd like to switch back. But I need to know that I can use the device, and not be crippled by iTunes. Has Apple done anything to correct this deficiency?

Nope.
 

TacticalDesire

macrumors 68020
Mar 19, 2012
2,286
23
Michigan
That either sounds like a huge waste of money or a bit of a fib. If I wasn't using my iPhone 5 I'd be getting the maximum amount of money for it right now. Its a bit of an extravagant back up, but each to their own.

Everyone's priorities are different. You'd probably faint if you saw the amount of electronics I have sitting in drawers.

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So what would you call Google Music All Access? A new, innovative idea?

All access is much different than Pandora...
 

RAPTORSKI

macrumors regular
Jan 24, 2013
160
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British Columbia
Lots of Android options for sure. Galaxy S4 is decent but the whole plastic aspect of it kills its potential with me. On the other hand the HTC One and Nexus 4 are both great devices and I would consider both. They are both very good options that can fair just as well or better than an iPhone 5.

Yet iOS 7 does really change things. I would consider an iPhone even more now with the changes that were unveiled at WWDC. The whole layers and transparency aspect of it, the colours, new features, and less obstruction (for example in Safari) make it a way more futuristic and intuitive option. It's a good change for sure, however Android still remains competitive, especially until a bigger version of the iPhone hopefiully comes along.

iOS is still king with tablets however as I see no true competition there. The nexus devices and samsung galaxy tabs come close but are no true match for iPads unlike the great amount of choices and variety you get with phones.
 

SlCKB0Y

macrumors 68040
Feb 25, 2012
3,431
557
Sydney, Australia
Quick settings was a huge hole they plugged up today (even better than Android does).

How is it better?

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Security hole.

It's a security hole for people who either don't have a brain or have problems using it I suppose.

Believe it or not, some people don't need to be coddled. :rolleyes:

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So what would you call Google Music All Access? A new, innovative idea?

Clearly you haven't used it. Google Music All Access has most of the major features of Pandora, Spotify, iTunes Match, and a music store all in one.
 

Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
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2. The interface. At my new job, the PC is locked down, I cannot install my own software, like iTunes. At home, I use Debian Linux, for which iTunes is unavailable. Since the only way to transfer music, photos, videos, etc. to/from the phone is using the iTunes application, I can't do much with the phone. Its a crippling defect for me. Android on the other hand, you simply plug it in (using a standard micro-USB cable... not a proprietary one like Apple) and it shows up on my machine just like a thumb drive. Drag-n-drop your music, photos, whatever you like. Easy, and is totally cross platform, works on Linux, OSX, and Windows, since it uses all industry standard stuff, no proprietary stuff.

The new iPhone 5 and iOS 7 is attractive, for sure, and I'd like to switch back. But I need to know that I can use the device, and not be crippled by iTunes. Has Apple done anything to correct this deficiency?

The fact that Tunes does not run on a Linux distro is not a "deficiency". You've chosen a hobbyist OS to run, and you were aware of its limited app support when you installed it. Don't blame others for not offering all their software for it.
 
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Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
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It's a security hole for people who either don't have a brain or have problems using it I suppose.

Believe it or not, some people don't need to be coddled. :rolleyes:

So, everyone who uses those features on Android knows how to prevent from having the weaknesses exploited?

Do you? How? Please show your work.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
Clearly you haven't used it. Google Music All Access has most of the major features of Pandora, Spotify, iTunes Match, and a music store all in one.

And still the same idiotic way of saving songs to your device.....why must I "pin" the music to my device? Its a hard drive not some cork board.....

And when I want to get rid of the music that's "saved", I only see another "pin" option.....

Much prefer Apple's music app. Straightforward. All-access is a great idea, but the implementation is really jumbled and confusing. I never know what music I'm looking at. Is this a compilation of songs on my device? On All-Access, both? If I add a song to my library can I add it to my device? Am I seeing both my library of songs I own and songs I added through All-access?

A mess.....shame too because the HTC One's speakers are incredible. But I still prefer using my iPhone to listen to music because its way easier to navigate.
 

MVallee

macrumors 6502a
Feb 8, 2007
810
183
Ontario, Canada
I want to be able to use whatever service I want whenever I want and not feel like I am trapped in a particular ecosystem. But the iPhone really makes it hard to switch with its seamless operation and carryover of data from one generation to the next. That is why I had made up my mind to switch to the Nexus later this year and give Android a try.

I have an iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro and Mac Mini and I love that they all work seamlessly together. Messages and e-mails get delivered to whatever device I'm using, my music is accessible from each device, same with my files in iCloud. I don't feel "trapped" at all. I like that everything works well together and that upgrading a device is so simple. It seems odd to me that you would want to switch platforms because iOS is so seamless.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
I've been with the iPhone since 2009. I've had the 3G, 4 and now the 5. I've never liked being tied to one company, because I want to be able to use whatever service I want whenever I want and not feel like I am trapped in a particular ecosystem. But the iPhone really makes it hard to switch with its seamless operation and carryover of data from one generation to the next. That is why I had made up my mind to switch to the Nexus later this year and give Android a try. But now, with the spectacular introduction of iOS 7, I am not so sure anymore. It is great looking and adds a lot of missing functionality.

I am sure the longer I wait and the more I use iOS 7, the harder it gets to switch and I will just end up getting more and more integrated into the Apple world. I just want to try Android and see what I could be missing. Anybody else in the same boat? Is getting a Nexus phone and an iPad mini a good compromise - sort of like the best of both worlds?

I think that's all part of it though. The ecosystem is part of the product. Sure you can still USE other services on an iPhone or iPad, but to get the most out of each, you need to have them paired with Apple's services.

This has been the main deterent for me in my HTC One use - not for me specifically, I have all my Apple services running on my One - but the connectivity, the sharing between my family and friends (who all use iPhones) is not as easy as it was.

Take my family's trip to Italy for instance. I used my iPhone anyways because it has the better camera, but since its technically my work phone, I had my data and calling abilities on my One (my personal device). I found myself wanting to snap a quick photo and only had my One in my hand. All-in-all I took about 800 photos during the 2 weeks, about 150 of which are currently sitting on my One.

Now I use dropbox, as do many of my family members and could put them all up there to share, but I had already created a photo stream of all my Italy pics and shared them to about 9 different family members both with me in Italy and back home. And the photo stream was incredibly easy and quick - IMO easier than uploading to dropbox because of the very nature of photo stream being merged with the photo's app.

That was an instance in which I found myself wishing I simply just used my iPhone. I know there are people who won't agree with my example, but hopefully it illustrates a small example of how being in one ecosystem can make things incredibly easy and why companies push the ecosystem (proprietary software and features) with the hardware.

Not only are they marketing to you, but they also want YOU to market to your friends and family. Not only will you say, "Hey I like this phone alot" in your recommendations, you'll add "And I can do all this neat stuff like share though X feature or sync up across all our devices".

There's something to be said for freedom in using multiple companies' services, there's also something to be said for keeping it simple and using just one. I know I prefer keeping things as simple as possible, which is why I tend to lean toward iOS.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Typical Apple. Announce IOS 7. Give it to developers. Let the users wait 4 or 5 months to get it on our devices. I have no issue waiting for IOS 7 for my IPad, but am very satisfied using my HTC One now! Nothing much extremely exciting announced with IOS 7 yesterday. Loved the IPandora copy........

Its in beta. This is how iOS has alway worked. There are plenty of bugs to work out devs are reporting. Plus devs are writing apps for it. If we all got it on Monday it would be buggy with no new apps to utilize new API's.
 

daneoni

macrumors G4
Mar 24, 2006
11,844
1,579
And still the same idiotic way of saving songs to your device.....why must I "pin" the music to my device? Its a hard drive not some cork board.....

And when I want to get rid of the music that's "saved", I only see another "pin" option.....

Much prefer Apple's music app. Straightforward. All-access is a great idea, but the implementation is really jumbled and confusing. I never know what music I'm looking at. Is this a compilation of songs on my device? On All-Access, both? If I add a song to my library can I add it to my device? Am I seeing both my library of songs I own and songs I added through All-access?

A mess.....shame too because the HTC One's speakers are incredible. But I still prefer using my iPhone to listen to music because its way easier to navigate.

Glad i'm not the only one, Google Play Music has been a bag of hurt for me. The only way i can really access my library in its entirety is through a web browser because syncing is almost abysmal.
 

SlCKB0Y

macrumors 68040
Feb 25, 2012
3,431
557
Sydney, Australia
So, everyone who uses those features on Android knows how to prevent from having the weaknesses exploited?

Do you? How? Please show your work.

Coming from the person who hasn't even detailed these supposed "security holes"? I don't even know what you definition of that term is let alone the details of them. :confused:
 

SlCKB0Y

macrumors 68040
Feb 25, 2012
3,431
557
Sydney, Australia
I never know what music I'm looking at. Is this a compilation of songs on my device? On All-Access, both? If I add a song to my library can I add it to my device? Am I seeing both my library of songs I own and songs I added through All-access?

Maybe i'm missing the point but I kind of thought that the blurring of those boundaries was the whole idea?

This is also only the first iteration of this and the Google Music app is updated independently of Android so we'll probably see some quick development and refinements.
 

Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
3,449
859
Coming from the person who hasn't even detailed these supposed "security holes"? I don't even know what you definition of that term is let alone the details of them. :confused:

So, tell me HOW the ability to bypass the lock screen isn't a security hole?
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
Maybe i'm missing the point but I kind of thought that the blurring of those boundaries was the whole idea?

This is also only the first iteration of this and the Google Music app is updated independently of Android so we'll probably see some quick development and refinements.

I think there are ways to blend without making it nearly impossible to know what you're looking at.

My main gripe is with what is actually on my device.....I have a very hard time knowing what is ACTUALLY downloaded to the phone and what isn't. I will never understand the whole "pin" thing.....

Not to mention the screens are cluttered and album art renders are terrible and blurry.
 

fredaroony

macrumors 6502a
Aug 1, 2011
670
0
or you make great money on them. I use my upgrade to get an iphone and then sell it new in the box for $600 the day it comes out. +$400 for no work is good to me and it saves someone else around $80

You're in the US? I assume you are when you mentioned upgrades. Many people in Australia buy phones outright and not on plans so it doesn't work out the same here.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
14,738
6,109
You're in the US? I assume you are when you mentioned upgrades. Many people in Australia buy phones outright and not on plans so it doesn't work out the same here.

Yeah, I am in the US. You are right about elsewhere...it is expensive.
 
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