iOS 7 is really making it difficult to switch to a different OS now

[mib1800]

Well said! I can agree with Android proponents that it is DEFINITELY more open and flexible than iOS. But if the way iOS works for me, and I prefer it that way, the lack of flexibility is pretty irrelevant. Having 16 different ways to share a picture is pointless if the iOS way is the most efficient for me and the people I'm sharing with.

I could understand the anti-walled garden sentiment if iOS didn't make logical sense in how it performs important functions. But the reality is, it works perfectly for the majority of people who own an iOS device. Since that's what we ALL want in a device, I'd say neither iOS nor Android are inferior/superior to each other... just different.

You are OK with apple trying to twist entire workflow just to satisfy Apple walled garden design? You are OK to adjust yourself to it? Are you advocating to people who have no knowledge of iphone to make adjustment to fit in?

Show me a workflow on any modern operating system that requires you to jump thru hoops to attach ANY files to email? Or an operating system that dont support plug-and-play device like an usb-drive but required you to install a "driver" (i.e. Itunes) before you can move data in/out? Or an o/s that don't allow you to download/save files to the disk? Or an o/s that purposely locked out 3rd party apps and making them second class citizen?

Why should anyone make adjustments to do "basic" stuff that most of us have been doing throughout many years before (using our PC)? How can anyone even say iOS works "perfectly" under such ridiculous restrictions?

 

[onthecouchagain]

You are OK with apple trying to twist entire workflow just to satisfy Apple walled garden design? You are OK to adjust yourself to it? Are you advocating to people who have no knowledge of iphone to make adjustment to fit in?

Show me a workflow on any modern operating system that requires you to jump thru hoops to attach ANY files to email? Or an operating system that dont support plug-and-play device like an usb-drive but required you to install a "driver" (i.e. Itunes) before you can move data in/out? Or an o/s that don't allow you to download/save files to the disk? Or an o/s that purposely locked out 3rd party apps and making them second class citizen?

Why should anyone make adjustments to do "basic" stuff that most of us have been doing throughout many years before (using our PC)? How can anyone even say iOS works "perfectly" under such ridiculous restrictions?

Yeah, I don't get why Apple doesn't think people will either know how to or learn how to do these things.

Again, Apple holds classes in their stores where there are lines of people signing up to learn how to use their new shiny Apple products. I don't see why Apple is so afraid of a file list.

Or better yet, why can't Apple engineers figure out a way to make attachments from mail intuitive? Surely they can figure some way; they've simplified (arguably to a fault) many other things.

 

[Prototypical]

You are OK with apple trying to twist entire workflow just to satisfy Apple walled garden design? You are OK to adjust yourself to it? Are you advocating to people who have no knowledge of iphone to make adjustment to fit in?

Show me a workflow on any modern operating system that requires you to jump thru hoops to attach ANY files to email? Or an operating system that dont support plug-and-play device like an usb-drive but required you to install a "driver" (i.e. Itunes) before you can move data in/out? Or an o/s that don't allow you to download/save files to the disk? Or an o/s that purposely locked out 3rd party apps and making them second class citizen?

Why should anyone make adjustments to do "basic" stuff that most of us have been doing throughout many years before (using our PC)? How can anyone even say iOS works "perfectly" under such ridiculous restrictions?

I'm not saying Apple's workflows are without faults, but Android isn't perfect either. All the flexibility in the world (in Android) is worthless if the phone app locks up while trying to answer a call, or the OS reboots in the middle of a file editing session, or the GPS locator simply can't find the phone while trying to locate an important meeting (all three happened to me with my Android phones).

Again, you are looking at this through the lens of how YOU think things should operate. For me, the ability to attach things to email isn't important. I work in a field that strictly forbids sharing files via email, and storing client files on personal devices. I can share most other personal items through Dropbox, or Facebook, or some other medium. Is the inability to efficiently attach items to email annoying? I'm sure it is to some. For others, we don't really care as it doesn't matter to us. Therefore what is a problem to you (with iOS) may not be to me.

I'm not arguing that iOS couldn't benefit from a file system or more efficient email apps - I'm just suggesting that many people are more than satisfied with what iOS can do for them and have no interest in complicating their lives just for the sake of options they will never use.

 

[mib1800]

I'm not saying Apple's workflows are without faults, but Android isn't perfect either. All the flexibility in the world (in Android) is worthless if the phone app locks up while trying to answer a call, or the OS reboots in the middle of a file editing session, or the GPS locator simply can't find the phone while trying to locate an important meeting (all three happened to me with my Android phones).

You are making another unfounded "fanboy" assumption. I dont know about other androids but my S3/Note2 can go for months without rebooting. Any rebooting done is due to firmware update (and not because of some o/s faults)

Again, you are looking at this through the lens of how YOU think things should operate. For me, the ability to attach things to email isn't important. I work in a field that strictly forbids sharing files via email, and storing client files on personal devices. I can share most other personal items through Dropbox, or Facebook, or some other medium. Is the inability to efficiently attach items to email annoying? I'm sure it is to some. For others, we don't really care as it doesn't matter to us. Therefore what is a problem to you (with iOS) may not be to me.

If you read my post properly, I am just stating "common knowledge" workflow that people have been using for years in their PCs. It is not looking thru lens how things should operate. It is just common sense on how things should operate. Why are you arguing against common sense?

Using dropbox? Like downloading a file from browser->saving to dropbox->attach to email/share. How many unnecessary data consuming round-trips you made to do this? :lol:

I'm not arguing that iOS couldn't benefit from a file system or more efficient email apps - I'm just suggesting that many people are more than satisfied with what iOS can do for them and have no interest in complicating their lives just for the sake of options they will never use.

Without a file-system, you are already complicating your life one way or another without you knowing it. e.g. unnecessary data/battery/time wasting when you use dropbox workaround for personal data storage.

 

[Dr McKay]

If that's you hobby I have have no problem with that. I'm not that into phones to buy so many. One at a time is enough for me. I spend my disposable income on my interests like socialising with friends, playing sports like golf and go-karting and I'm sure many would say that's a waste of money. As I said though, each to their own.

You make it sound like its either buy gadgets, or socialise with friends. Im perfectly capable of doing both. Unlike my off-contract iPhone 5, socialising with my friends doesn't cost me £700 ($1090). I can go and have fun with friends for free, for a little money, or even a lot. Personally I make enough to do both.

I don't keep my phones sat in a drawer though, I pass them on to relatives for free.

In the span of a few months I went from my iPhone 4S, to a Nokia Lumia 900, back to an iPhone 5, then onto a Nexus 4, and now finally onto my Galaxy S4.

Each of those older phones is currently being used by a family member I passed onto.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You make it sound like its either buy gadgets, or socialise with friends. Im perfectly capable of doing both. Unlike my off-contract iPhone 5, socialising with my friends doesn't cost me £700 ($1090). I can go and have fun with friends for free, for a little money, or even a lot. Personally I make enough to do both.

I don't keep my phones sat in a drawer though, I pass them on to relatives for free.

In the span of a few months I went from my iPhone 4S, to a Nokia Lumia 900, back to an iPhone 5, then onto a Nexus 4, and now finally onto my Galaxy S4.

Each of those older phones is currently being used by a family member I passed onto.

I didn't mean I thought you sat inside studying mobile phones instead of having a life

The nearest I come to reading about tech is a couple of gadget sites and here. My passion is motorsport so you could say I'm a racing geek. we all have different interests and hobbies was what I was trying to say.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Now this is really interesting: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-testing-new-gestures-folder-improvements-in-iOS-7_id44178#2-

Apple is testing swiping gestures from the edge and the corners that will work from anywhere on iOS.

I hope it makes it to iOS 7 before official release. I still think it's a shame they didn't make a Zephyr-like gesture up to go back home. Can't wait until they get rid of the physical button. Time to move into the future, Apple. And gesturing (with larger screens: https://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/13/apple-considering-4-7-and-5-7-screens-for-2014-iphone-models/) is definitely the way to do it.

 

[mattopotamus]

Now this is really interesting: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-testing-new-gestures-folder-improvements-in-iOS-7_id44178#2-

Apple is testing swiping gestures from the edge and the corners that will work from anywhere on iOS.

I hope it makes it to iOS 7 before official release. I still think it's a shame they didn't make a Zephyr-like gesture up to go back home. Can't wait until they get rid of the physical button. Time to move into the future, Apple. And gesturing (with larger screens: https://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/13/apple-considering-4-7-and-5-7-screens-for-2014-iphone-models/) is definitely the way to do it.

I thought that was part of IOS7 with the back feature?

 

[onthecouchagain]

I thought that was part of IOS7 with the back feature?

Is it? Is that back gesture part of the entire operating system? I can't find much information about it. So far, it seems to only be part of Safari. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, this is the first time I'm hearing about using corner-base gesturing.

I think if the corner-gesturing is true, we're definitely going to see larger iPhones in 2014. Better late than never.

 

[Prototypical]

Can't wait until they get rid of the physical button. Time to move into the future, Apple. And gesturing (with larger screens: https://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/13/apple-considering-4-7-and-5-7-screens-for-2014-iphone-models/) is definitely the way to do it.

Those physical home buttons... Only companies stuck in the past would even THINK of including one on their flagship device...

 

[jrswizzle]

Is it? Is that back gesture part of the entire operating system? I can't find much information about it. So far, it seems to only be part of Safari. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, this is the first time I'm hearing about using corner-base gesturing.

I think if the corner-gesturing is true, we're definitely going to see larger iPhones in 2014. Better late than never.

I already told you its wider spread than simply Safari - works in mail, messages and most all of the stock apps. I believe the API is also out there so devs can include it in their apps as well.

With 1400+ new APIs, I'd guess there will be a lot of changes made, not only to iOS 7 and the apps it comes with, but also to the app ecosystem as well.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Those physical home buttons... Only companies stuck in the past would even THINK of including one on their flagship device...

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I agree. Please see my posts about the S4 if you care to dig for them.

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I already told you its wider spread than simply Safari - works in mail, messages and most all of the stock apps. I believe the API is also out there so devs can include it in their apps as well.

With 1400+ new APIs, I'd guess there will be a lot of changes made, not only to iOS 7 and the apps it comes with, but also to the app ecosystem as well.

That's excellent news. I'm surprised no one is making a bigger deal about the gesture back feature.

I hope more gestures means no more home button.

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Famous jailbreaker rants on Twitter about 'kid paint' iOS 7, ready to go Android

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Famo...t-kid-paint-iOS-7-ready-to-go-Android_id44205

"After a few days of iOS 7 beta 1 testing, I must admit that I am about to switch to an Android device. IMHO, this version of iOS is the worst move Apple did in a long time.

iOS 7 design is awful, it’s slow, battery life time is the worst ever, it’s full of UI bugs and crashes. OK it’s beta 1, but still… I am pretty disappointed by the features I’ve seen in iOS 7. No revolution here. No big news. Just kid painting."

Interesting.

 

[sk1wbw]

Anyone who uses terms like iToys or iTards or "walled garden" or any other juvenile ******** needs to be banned from this forum because that gets you no respect, it just labels you as an uneducated and ignorant moron.

 

[ChrisTX]

Since the release of the GS3, I've owned that, Nexus 4, used a Note 2, and owned a GS4. At the end of the day, the customization of Android is hard to beat. However the reliability of iOS is second to none. With that being said, my next phone will probably be a 5. iOS is more fluid, and stable than Android, and the user experience is just too fragmented for me. The Nexus 4 offered the best Android experience, but the hardware offered too many limitations. At the end of the day I guess you just can't beat the simplicity of iOS.

 

[DeathChill]

Apparently Apple is testing more gestures just for couch:
http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/17/hidden-settings-show-apple-tested-gesture-folder-enhancements-for-ios-7/

 

[jrswizzle]

Famous jailbreaker rants on Twitter about 'kid paint' iOS 7, ready to go Android

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Famo...t-kid-paint-iOS-7-ready-to-go-Android_id44205

"After a few days of iOS 7 beta 1 testing, I must admit that I am about to switch to an Android device. IMHO, this version of iOS is the worst move Apple did in a long time.

iOS 7 design is awful, it’s slow, battery life time is the worst ever, it’s full of UI bugs and crashes. OK it’s beta 1, but still… I am pretty disappointed by the features I’ve seen in iOS 7. No revolution here. No big news. Just kid painting."

Interesting.

It's quite sad that a "famous jailbreaker" would be so naive.....could it be that perhaps iOS 7's new features might make a jailbreak less popular? That many of the things people jailbreak for are now stock and therefore Mr. Pod is simply frustrated with that?

Its funny, the guy sounds like a whiny MacRumors user who doesn't know what beta means....

Plus - duh, you JB the device, you can change the theme.....

 

[onthecouchagain]

All these posts I'm reading about regarding "but I don't need to use file sharing features" just aren't getting the point, are they? No one is forcing you to have to use file sharing features. Nor is anyone forcing you to use widgets, or the notification light, or a different keyboard, or buy a larger and/or cheaper iPhones should they come to fruition. You can carry on with your iOS-usage more or less the same way if these things are added. For all these features (and more) I have heard similar arguments: that I just don't need to have them, or there's some sort of inherent fear (like how notification light will drain the battery or be too distracting somehow ).

Unless Apple is stupid enough to force you into using these features (which is basically what they're doing now; forcing you not to use these features) then there should be no problem if these features are added.

Is it really that difficult to understand that while you may not use certain features, others might? Is it that difficult to understand that having that choice available for users to make is better than not?

Are we really arguing against making iOS better just because Apple wants to take their time with these features? Do the new Control Center not make iOS better/easier to use? If you don't like the new feature, can you not continue going into the Settings menu to turn on/off WiFi or change your brightness? Are certain iOS devotees now going to realize quick access to settings and toggles makes a better experience? Must it take Apple to do it before they realize the same thing about all those other features?

It's as if those that are asking for more out of iOS are the enemy. Am I really the enemy when I'm asking and hoping for a better and improved keyboard with more control over personal dictionary, with the ability to swipe (again, you can continue thumb-tapping if Apple adds swiping), with the ability to pick suggestions off a bar instead of trusting Apple's proven-ly untrustworthy auto correct? Am I really the enemy to argue against for pointing out these shortcomings and requesting these features that'll better the iOS experience?

Then consider these questions again when you think about what the competition is doing.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The day I get bored of iOS or think its lacking in things I wish to do, i'll start asking these types of questions. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say it's a great OS right now. I'm all for change and wouldn't knock anybody for calling for it either. You do sound like you're quite desperate to return to iOS couch. If Android fulfils all your needs, what does it matter if some of us are happy with iOS or don't ask for the features you talk of? Surely you're just happy Android is better in your opinion? I wouldn't waste time getting frustrated over it

 

[JoeG4]

You don't have to feel locked into anything, and if you open your mind a little you should be able to use anything. There was a period of time where I used OS X exclusively, but then I bought a Windows laptop and switching between that and my Mac desktop never bugged me at all.

Now I'm using a Mac laptop and a Windows desktop, and it's still a pretty easy transition for me - shoot I haven't even had trouble confusing ctrl and cmd lol. It just requires an open mind! You're not committing to one religion or another.

 

[onthecouchagain]

The day I get bored of iOS or think its lacking in things I wish to do, i'll start asking these types of questions. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say it's a great OS right now. I'm all for change and wouldn't knock anybody for calling for it either. You do sound like you're quite desperate to return to iOS couch. If Android fulfils all your needs, what does it matter if some of us are happy with iOS or don't ask for the features you talk of? Surely you're just happy Android is better in your opinion? I wouldn't waste time getting frustrated over it

I own an iPad. And I'm not convinced the Android tablet experience is the way to go yet. Android clearly isn't the same experience on a tablet vs on a smartphone. Also, if iOS and the iPhone become better, I have no problem switching back. Is that that hard to believe?

Anyway, so you're not bored of iOS yet and don't feel it lacks anything for you to bother asking these questions. Great. That's the end of the discussion. Boy, that was productive! Not. Can people see why we need to also have an objective element to the conversation?

Again: Is it really that difficult to understand that while you may not use certain features, others might? Is it that difficult to understand that having that choice available for users to make is objectively better than not?

 

[tbayrgs]

I own an iPad. And I'm not convinced the Android tablet experience is the way to go yet. Android clearly isn't the same experience on a tablet vs on a smartphone.

What aspects of Android on a tablet do you find less than desirable and keep you on iOS? I'd figure having different keyboard choices, superior file sharing/file management, email (for gmail users, that is) and quick toggles would be enough to get out into the Android tablet camp.

I see many comments from others as well claiming Android is their preferred choice for a phone but is less ideal for a tablet. Considering it's strengths, it would seem to actually be a better choice than iOS for tablet, bringing the experience closer to what one finds using a laptop, at least from a productivity standpoint.

I have a Nexus 7 and will agree that I still find the tablet experience better with iOS (prefer my iPad Mini vs. the N7) but I'm using it primarily for media consumption (web browsing, ebooks, video) and also find the Apple hardware superior. If I needed my tablet for more productivity, I'm not so sure I would investigate other options outside iOS (Android or Windows 8).

Not trolling, truly curious..

 

[onthecouchagain]

What aspects of Android on a tablet do you find less than desirable and keep you on iOS? I'd figure have different keyboard choices, superior file sharing and email (for gmail users, that is) and quick toggles would be enough to get out into the Android tablet camp.

Not trolling, truly curious..

Fair question.

I simply require less from my tablet experience. I rarely do any serious work on my iPad. It's mainly used for Netflix, HBO Go, browsing, and games. To this end, the tablet works well. The battery life is also phenomenal.

The rare times I do take it traveling with me and have to do some serious work on it or the few times it's my only access to email and I have to write a lengthy email, it certainly is frustrating. This is when I seriously wish iOS was more flexible with file sharing, attachments, and most importantly, the keyboard. But those times are rare. Rare enough that I can tolerate iOS' shortcomings to enjoy the tablet advantages.

I'm not convinced Android is a good experience on the tablet but I may be willing to find out depending on what the iPad Mini 2 and the new Nexus 7 look like.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Anyway, so you're not bored of iOS yet and don't feel it lacks anything for you to bother asking these questions. Great. That's the end of the discussion. Boy, that was productive! Not.

Its productive in the way that I am looking forward to the changes that have been outlined for iOS 7. I appreciate there are calls for radical changes from people like yourself who use an Android phone, I was just giving my personal opinion regarding my experiences. I don't wish iOS to go too far towards Android in terms of features. Lets not forget Android serves one part of the market and iOS the other so you have to ask, does iOS need to match Android in every area? The calls for easy file sharing are unrealistic IMO because Apple have a strict policy on what they allow to be installed or stored on their products. If you had the freedom to drag any type of file onto your iPad or iPhone, I think that would bring more problems. This is the same reason an iPad doesn't have USB ports or have open access through its connector.

If those are the main bugs for people, then use something else I say. Some would say this is limiting their uses, but it also contributes to a very stable and fluid OS. The main difference between Android and iOS is the way apps are written. Android uses Java and iOS objective-c. Unless Apple completely change the way its software is written, you are never going to see the types of changes you ask for. If they do change, it means hardware costs would rise significantly to cope with the power demand and you run the risk of increasing lag to the OS. Apple have two choices. Change to suit a small sector of demand to introduce a more open system, or continue regulating its OS and ultimately keeping costs down. I think they are going about it the right way to be honest.

 

[Stuntman06]

Fair question.

I simply require less from my tablet experience. I rarely do any serious work on my iPad. It's mainly used for Netflix, HBO Go, browsing, and games. To this end, the tablet works well. The battery life is also phenomenal.

The rare times I do take it traveling with me and have to do some serious work on it or the few times it's my only access to email and I have to write a lengthy email, it certainly is frustrating. This is when I seriously wish iOS was more flexible with file sharing, attachments, and most importantly, the keyboard. But those times are rare. Rare enough that I can tolerate iOS' shortcomings to enjoy the tablet advantages.

I'm not convinced Android is a good experience on the tablet but I may be willing to find out depending on what the iPad Mini 2 and the new Nexus 7 look like.

I had the first generation Asus Transformer tablet running Android. At the time, I was deciding on an iPad 2 or various other Android tablets. I felt that the iPad 2 had a better overall tablet experience. The reason I went with the TF101 was for the keyboard dock. I do want to do some significant typing and I hated touch screen keyboards at the time. The keyboard dock for the TF101 was just way better than anything I saw for the iPad 2 at the time. For that reason, I chose the TF101 with the keyboard dock. I was willing to make the tradeoff of having a good typing experience over a better touch screen expereince. The keyboard dock on the TF101 has some other really nice features as well over and above just typing.

I haven't had an opportunity to try out the latest Android tablets. I think they have definitely improved over the first generation tablet that I have. I've upgraded my phone last year and lately, I haven't used my tablet much. The reason is that my phone is just more convenient and actually faster than my tablet. My laptop has greater functionality than my tablet as well. I only really use my tablet for NetFlix as I have a mini-HDMI cable for it and if I'm travelling.

 

[applelover1016]

All excellent points that have been pointed out by others many times before.

I always pose this question. If the tables were turned and it was apple that offered third party freedoms and android that didn't, if it was apple that offered notification lights and widgets and screen sizes and android OEMs that didn't, would the same people be as forgiving and understanding and apologetic to android? How would the conversations be then? Somehow I doubt it.

My point exactly, I love both os's(even though i am an apple fanboy), but, with usage of both os and being involved in both communities(blogs, forums, developers), Android users are louder, most of the flack apple gets are from android users. I fully understand and agree that alot of features ios 7 has should have been there and android had them first, but, to the apple user through and through they appreciate it more. I look at it like this, the more apple and google improves their os's the more competition. competition is always good for consumers. And I think apple, with ios 7 is now getting in the competition. It still needs some work of course but atleast apple is now in the right direction. So what if the features weren't there, they are now