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Act3

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Says who? The rest of the industry?? Because nope..
I've been buying consumer electronic devices since like forever. Going back to the Pocket PC days support for newer OS/firmware would actually cease for hardware in like a year or less. Symbian OS from Nokia would support firmware upgrades only if there are faults. Same as Sony Ericsson, Motorolla etc
Apple started the trend of adding new features in firmware upgrades for years after release
Your 2 year support claim isn't supported by consumer electronics history

I call BS. Look at XBOX and PS. They last years before upgrade cycles. Desktop and laptop computers same way. My 6 year old radeon video card in my 6 year old dell computer still gets driver updates.
 

BenTrovato

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Way too many variables inside devices to think performance will not degrade. Software and hardware, over time operate at less than brand new performance. So does a car or anything else you can think of that's full of electrical components and transistors. If it's really a problem, just restore the device. Tons of people are reporting how their 6/6+ and even 5S are still running great on iOS 9.
 

BruiserBear

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The is no planned obsolescence. My god when will you guys stop with this bs.

I've always laughed off these suggestions, but I'm honestly beginning to wonder. Two things to consider.

1) There are clear and obvious benefits for Apple if your older phones to seem less impressive than they once were.

2) Apple knows the limitations of older devices, but somehow the new OS ends up running slower anyway. It's a fact they can make decisions on what to include or change on older devices when updating an OS, and they often seem to make decisions that make the older devices run slower, even if it's just a little slower. There is no incentive to make the older devices run well. So even if it's not truly a grand plan to make older phones run slower, it's easy to imagine they don't go out of their way to make the older ones run better. At the very least that much is obvious.


Way too many variables inside devices to think performance will not degrade. Software and hardware, over time operate at less than brand new performance. So does a car or anything else you can think of that's full of electrical components and transistors. If it's really a problem, just restore the device. Tons of people are reporting how their 6/6+ and even 5S are still running great on iOS 9.

This is complete and utter nonsense. Cars degrade over time because they have a lot of moving parts. CPUs and GPUs do not. A Playstation 2 from 2001 does not run the games any different than it did 14 years ago. The only piece of hardware that will degrade over time would be a hard drive, and these iOS devices don't have those.
 
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Damolee

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You don't think that having 2gb of ram and a faster A9 processor might have something to do with the improved performance?

The point I was making is that the performance leap and gap is the largest yet between generations in how they perform. Was night and day between the two handsets. The 6 never performed that well on launch in iOS 8.

iOS 9 is solely about the 6S, so that spiel about improving older devices was complete nonsense.
 

BenTrovato

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This is complete and utter nonsense. Cars degrade over time because they have a lot of moving parts. CPUs and GPUs do not. A Playstation 2 from 2001 does not run the games any different than it did 14 years ago. Your PC might, but that's for a variety of software related reasons, not hardware.


Its definitely not "complete and utter nonsense". Your phone has moving parts inside it. Not every piece of the device is solid state. If the phone was completely solid state, did not vibrate and had no moving electrons you would be correct. However, the phone does vibrate, electrons do move, it does heat up, there is friction --> it degrades. Can't believe someone would argue that.
 

BruiserBear

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Its definitely not "complete and utter nonsense". Your phone has moving parts inside it. Not every piece of the device is solid state. If the phone was completely solid state, did not vibrate and had no moving electrons you would be correct. However, the phone does vibrate, electrons do move, it does heat up, there is friction --> it degrades. Can't believe someone would argue that.

You started by saying "software and hardware", but now you're talking about vibration motors, and electrons, and heat. Vibration motors have nothing to do with your phone not running the OS smoothly.
 

Act3

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Its definitely not "complete and utter nonsense". Your phone has moving parts inside it. Not every piece of the device is solid state. If the phone was completely solid state, did not vibrate and had no moving electrons you would be correct. However, the phone does vibrate, electrons do move, it does heat up, there is friction --> it degrades. Can't believe someone would argue that.

Any idea when the copper in my house will have degraded past it's useful function ? Them electrons are tearing it up. Lol
 
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e93to

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I checked out 6S' at Apple Store just now, and I noticed the same stutter in Spotlight and app switcher... I also noticed the delay when opening apps. Maybe iOS 9 was designed to run like that....? Or maybe "indexing" wasn't done at the moment.

Also tried force touch. Cool feature. It will do wonders for apps, especially games.
 

teknikal90

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I call BS. Look at XBOX and PS. They last years before upgrade cycles. Desktop and laptop computers same way. My 6 year old radeon video card in my 6 year old dell computer still gets driver updates.
You obviously don't understand how the console business model works
Consoles are sold often at a loss. And the profit is 100% in games and accessories. Therefore it is the whole idea to lengthen support before a new generational capital outlay is incurred
As for graphics cards and CPUs, I think that's th model that Apple emulated with the first iPhone - before then, the support system was distinctly different, as I had detailed
 

ipooed

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Had a play with a 6S in store this morning. It's as fast as my 6 on 8.4.1

Hmm so yeah. Our 6, 6 Plus etc are basically obsolete within a year. It is all solely optimised for the 6S.

This never happened to the 5S when the 6 came out, that's for sure.

Not cool Apple.

agreed, i had a 6 and ios 9 was a stuttery lag fest unless i turned off reduce motion and increase contrast. even then it was still noticeable just not as bad. I got the 6s 64GB this morning and its like night and day difference the 6s is a speed demon compared to the 6.

however i have noticed bugs that weren't there on my 6, like resetting the device (home and power until the apple logo) even after the reboot typing in the pass code will need at least 3 tries before it registers. sometimes the phone will not go to the lock screen after being left out (i have the 1min default on) after pressing the power button the screen comes on straight to the home screen with access to my apps, there is still a delay when launching apps after unlocking the phone (mostly the appstore app there is a good full 1 sec delay)

for those on the fence wait until further releases of ios 9 to see, i am filing bug reports after i type this hoping they squash these bugs i have noticed just in owning the phone for a little over 2 hours.
 

imagineadam

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I'd really like to see a video comparison of an iPhone 6 on 8.4.1 vs the 6S on 9 doing the basic tasks of opening settings and messages and loading a few web pages in safari and just cruising around the springboard and opening apps. I'm betting they are pretty neck and neck.

Load up iOS 9 on a 6 then compare it to 6S and then of course the 6S will smoke it.

I'm a believer in the planned obsolescence too now.. My 6 will be staying on 8.4.1 till I sell it next fall and get the iPhone 7. :)
 

canesalato

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Way too many variables inside devices to think performance will not degrade. Software and hardware, over time operate at less than brand new performance. So does a car or anything else you can think of that's full of electrical components and transistors. If it's really a problem, just restore the device. Tons of people are reporting how their 6/6+ and even 5S are still running great on iOS 9.
What? Hardware? Come on. That's nonsense
 

Act3

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I tried side-by-side comparison with a couple of iPhone 6 phones and didn't really notice anything one way or the other.

That's good. But according to Apple you should see iOS 9 performing faster.
 

C DM

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That's good. But according to Apple you should see iOS 9 performing faster.
Doesn't seem like they lived up to that part of it so far. But it doesn't perform worse for quite a few people it seems, unlike the implication of some that it is widespread and basically inherent.
 

RebornProphet

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Have you tried the Reduce Transparency and Motion off and back on trick. Worked for my 6 while I still had it

Yeah, but the phone UI looks ugly as hell with that enabled. Those options should be turned on for very old generations of iPhone to assist them, not a model which only 12 months ago ran the exact same visual effects and graphical elements super smooth on iOS 8.
 

C DM

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Yeah, but the phone UI looks ugly as hell with that enabled. Those options should be turned on for very old generations of iPhone to assist them, not a model which only 12 months ago ran the exact same visual effects and graphical elements super smooth on iOS 8.
I believe he suggestion is turn them on and then back off again, as it seems that for at least some people just doing that made a noticeable difference (for whatever reason).
 
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RebornProphet

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Just used my 6 side by side with a 6s at the Glasgow Apple Store. The 6 on 8.4.1 is identical to the 6s on iOS 9 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. All the UI transitions, zooms, etc all the same.

I'll be keeping my iPhone 6 on 8.4.1 for sure. I'll keep an eye on 9 by trying out store models as the updates are rolled out through time, but right now I'm not giving up the level of smoothness I get on 8.4.1.

Obviously the 6s will have in app performance enhaxements, although I didn't see a massively noticeable difference when loading stock apps. As an Air 2 owner though I know just what benefits that extra RAM brings.

For me, predictive Siri, a new font, and a redesigned app switcher aren't reasons to lose perfomance. To those happy with iOS 9 on their 6, all the best to you.
 

Che Castro

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You guys starting fresh on the new iPhone not from backup
Do you install all your apps and change all your settings and then update to 9.01 ?
I was thinking to when I get the phone to restore in iTunes and it will update to 9.01 and then reinstall all my apps and change my settings
Is that overkill ?
 

ipooed

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Sep 10, 2014
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You guys starting fresh on the new iPhone not from backup
Do you install all your apps and change all your settings and then update to 9.01 ?
I was thinking to when I get the phone to restore in iTunes and it will update to 9.01 and then reinstall all my apps and change my settings
Is that overkill ?
I started fresh, no backups no anything. Re entered everything every phone number etc, it did help my 6S came with a 85% charge out of the box.
 

Ashin

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Wouldn't be surprised if Apple coded in some of the lag purposefully so people with "older" phones feel they are now useless (in all honesty a phone like the 5S is still incredibly powerful, heck, even a 4S is still powerful, just not with a terribly coded/purposefully slowed down OS)

The app opening lag is the funniest... it's almost too obvious it's on purpose.

Why are Apple going in the direction of Android - shoddy coding that is covered up with raw power.
 

e93to

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Jan 23, 2015
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I checked out 6S' (both regular version and Plus) in Apple Stores. I noticed lag when opening apps. It could be an issue with iOS 9.
 
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