Mobile OSs iOS and Jelly Bean (merged)

[mbell1975]

Returned a Galaxy III S sometime ago because it was not to my liking, and too darn wide

So you expect us to believe you jumped on a preorder for a phone, paid for it in full and then returned it because it was too wide? Right Just the fact that you did that (if its true) shows that you must not be happy with your iPhone. If you were, you would have no need to buy another phone.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Except the most recent comscore data shows iOS moved up more than Android did.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/comscore-may-2012-smartphone/

Um, that's not what I meant.

 

[SR45]

So you expect us to believe you jumped on a preorder for a phone, paid for it in full and then returned it because it was too wide? Right Just the fact that you did that (if its true) shows that you must not be happy with your iPhone. If you were, you would have no need to buy another phone.

Goofed. Should have posted that it was a Galaxy II S not Galaxy III. Now please go back to the Android forum for your Therapy class since you no longer have an iPhone and dislike it so much you moved on to a Android

 

[rendevouspoo]

Essentially iOS users are more engaged and using their device for more than calling and texting, while android use is akin to a feature phone, cheap in terms of buying apps and shopping online and smart phone illiterate.

This is not at all true. iOS is simple to use, which is what makes it great btw. Android is HIGHLY customizable with limitless possibilities as to what the users can do. You're right though. The illiterate are the only ones that use Android powered phones.

 

[NovemberWhiskey]

Disagree. The fact that you cant even do something as simple in iOS as changing your default browser when you click a link in an email to changing keyboards easily to downloading and setting a custom ringtone without using iTunes is laughable. Not to mention all the other things you can't do with iOS.

uh, how does that contradict with anything I said? Don't know what you are disagreeing about at all.

 

[matttye]

uh, how does that contradict with anything I said? Don't know what you are disagreeing about at all.

Think he's responding to the user experience bit.

It's not good user experience to keep having the default browser forced on you when you'd rather use something else. Imagine for example that someone uses a browser with Flash. They get a link emailed to them with flash content. Every time they open that link it's going to open in Safari, and they'll then have to copy and paste that link to the other browser.

Another user experience fail is no file system. If I want to attach different types of documents to the same e-mail, it's impossible in iOS. I couldn't attach a pages document and a numbers document to the same e-mail, I'd have to send two separate ones. You should be able to attach anything straight from the e-mail compose screen.

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No, this reasoning does not hold water.

iOS generates more ecommerce than android.
iTunes is a multibillion dollar ecosystem while Google play is not even a 10th of that.
iOS generates more web traffic than android.
iOS generates more ad impressions than android.
iOS generates more revenue for Google than android.

Essentially iOS users are more engaged and using their device for more than calling and texting, while android use is akin to a feature phone, cheap in terms of buying apps and shopping online and smart phone illiterate.

You talk drivel.

This is why statistics shouldn't be used to jump to conclusions. Obviously the cheapest Android phones may well be used like that (which is what they're actually aiming to do -- compete with feature phones), but nobody buys a £500 flagship device like the Galaxy S3 to simply call and text.

 

[j4zb4]

typical corporate apple fanboy hipster comment.

i like both ecosystems, i just prefer the OS that better suits my productivity needs, and it happens to be Android.

Yeah because the best selling android phone right now (galaxy siii) is so cheap and the people buying it clearly can't afford an iphone.

Hmm...I buy all my phones off contract, and I am going to ditch my 64gb 4S (or rather, I already have) for a Galaxy Nexus, which I also bought off contract. And it's not a big deal at all.

Only really sad individuals buy into the iPhone-as-a-status-symbol way of thinking.

*Sigh*

I know truth hurts... Baddd...

Anyways it was just said in jest... Maybe you guys should take the smiley classes before commenting on a forum...

And for the bold line... Oh for GOD's sake please learn something new...

p.s.: @Blackhand... I don't know where you live... But, where I live, we only get off contract phones... And the S3 is cheaper than the iPhone by 33%... That is a lot of money...

 

[blackhand1001]

*Sigh*

I know truth hurts... Baddd...

Anyways it was just said in jest... Maybe you guys should take the smiley classes before commenting on a forum...

And for the bold line... Oh for GOD's sake please learn something new...

p.s.: @Blackhand... I don't know where you live... But, where I live, we only get off contract phones... And the S3 is cheaper than the iPhone by 33%... That is a lot of money...

I live in the us. Off contract pricing is pretty similar here for the two. The s3 is clearly a better deal for the money though.

 

[j4zb4]

I live in the us. Off contract pricing is pretty similar here for the two. The s3 is clearly a better deal for the money though.

Hmmm...

About the better deal, to each his own I guess... Been a Nokia user since I started using cell phones... I used to change my phones every 6 months... The iPhone 2G was the first ever phone which lasted me 3 years... Just because I didn't like any phone after using the iphone, the 3G didn't impress me much and when the 4 launched didn't have enough money... Finally when the 2G was shattered I decided to dip into the berry pool... Used the Bold 2 for 3 months and was ready to smash it against the wall by the end of the 3rd month... And then decided to fiddle buy an android to get the iphone feel at a cheaper price... Spent a year with the Desire Z... And I was cursing myself almost 4 months later... Had to buy an extra battery just so I could last a day... And the experience wasn't anything to write home about either... So for me the iPhone is seriously a headache free deal...

edit: Also I have been anti-samsung since many years now... Infact be it Korean cars or Home appliances (read: Hyundai, KIA, LG, Samsung) I have been very put off by them... I would never buy or recommend a Samsung...

Yea Yea I know many parts of the iPhone are by Samsung... But, there is a difference between the two...

 

[depths]

So you only like Korean components if they're in your iPhone? Are you the CEO of Foxconn?

 

[rogotoko]

Android

First of all, I'm a MacBook lover, but that's where my relationship with Apple ends. I don't have the iPad, iPhone, iShoes, iHairbrush, etc... I had an iPhone. After each jailbreak and working out the glitches; while trying to get my Google voice to work, while trying to afford all the pay for apps, and so on and so on, I finally went to a Droid Razr. This bad boy is quick. 4g has been great to have. Also, I don't need to root to get the things I want on this stock phone. I don't worship it. I just use it for what I need. I drop it and toss it. It's a phone, not a religion. If you insult it, I don't cry.

When I first got a Mac, it was a nerd item, but then they became cool. After a while, they became fashionable and elitists started wanting them. It became a desirable brand over the years. Yet, the masses still couldn't quite justify purchasing such an expensive computer for the limited needs they had. Let's face it, the majority of people purchasing Mac's aren't video editing or graphic designing. They are surfing the web; maybe even composing text documents. When the iPod came along, it granted the people who couldn't afford a Mac access to an exclusive club. Even thought there were better MP3 players on the market, they bought it. They even got a sticker to put on their car window to show everyone. Then with the later invention of an iPhone, the have-nots were able to show everyone how special they were, by having the exact same phones as everyone else. lol.

Want to see people argue over which microwave oven is the best? Put an "i" in front of it and see what happens.

 

[JetBlack7]

So you expect us to believe you jumped on a preorder for a phone, paid for it in full and then returned it because it was too wide? Right Just the fact that you did that (if its true) shows that you must not be happy with your iPhone. If you were, you would have no need to buy another phone.

Or maybe he has been using the iPhone for years and was just curious to try an Android phone.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Wow wow wow. Jelly Bean is fast.

I just got the update. I always thought ICS was fast, but JB is ridiculous. It really has to be seen and felt to be believed. And the UI is just insanely slick. I love how apps "enlarge" (almost like the Genie effect in OSX) from their icons.

I also love that you can swipe right from the camera to view pictures. This is a great steal from Windows Phone 7.

I don't like that the Google Search bar is now entirely gray. I much preferred the completely see-through search bar.

These are just early impressions.

MORE: Google Now is really really impressive, though I don't predict I'll find myself keeping it on. Searching via voice though is amazing. The dictation is so much more accurate than Siri.

Keyboard short cuts is a bit of a disappointment. I don't like how they offer the shortcut correction as a suggestion in the suggestion bar. It should just automatically switch to it no matter what. For example, I want to make "otca" a shortcut for "onthecouchagain". It should auto change to "onthecouchagain" every time I type "otca" as oppose to just offering "onthecouchagain" as a word in the suggestion bar. Boo Google on this.

I hate a lot on the iOS keyboard, but they get shortcuts right.

 

[batting1000]

I also love that you can swipe right from the camera to view pictures. This is a great steal from Windows Phone 7.

But when Apple did this, Android users and WP users cried how it was stolen. Now that it's finally on Android, everything's all fine and dandy again.

 

[onthecouchagain]

But when Apple did this, Android users and WP users cried how it was stolen. Now that it's finally on Android, everything's all fine and dandy again.

I never cried about that. I've always been realistic about stealing, and I've said many times here on this forum that I wish Apple stole more from Google (would love it if iOS stole from the better parts of mail, keyboard, chrome, etc. from Google). "Stealing" just means everyone's OS gets better, I've always been okay with this.

The only time I complain about stealing is when people say that if Apple steals, it's "following industry standards." But when others steal from Apple, "nobody can innovate and they're just all copycats." : cough Samsung Galaxy SIII cough :

 

[onthecouchagain]

More thoughts on JB for anyone curious...

-The swiftkey predictions are great and all, but I find it's faster to just type out exactly what I say, than to hope that the prediction gets it right. It slows things down too to have to look at the suggestion bar to decide if it's the next word I want or not. Luckily predictions can be turned off, and the keyboard is amazingly fast and accurate enough to just get things right without the predictions.

-However, the shortcuts is mishandled by Google, in my opinion. If there's one thing the iOS keyboard gets right, it's shortcuts. Google should offer the option to allow shortcuts to automatically change to the phrase I want, instead of just offering it as a suggestion in the suggestion bar. (Speaking of the suggestion bar, I sort of wish Google would squeeze in even more words in the suggestion bar. I could see it offering 4 or 5 words at a time, versus the standard 3.)

-Notifications are awesome, but I kind of wish you could swipe down on a notification to expand it, instead of using two fingers. Having to use two fingers means you can expand it with one hand usage, and that sort of stinks.

-Google Now is amazing in what little I've used of it, but I can't see myself leaving it on.

I know I sound negative. The reality is JB is unbelievably amazing, even more so than I thought it'd be. Just pointing out a few disappointing spots.

 

[oBMTo]

But when Apple did this, Android users and WP users cried how it was stolen. Now that it's finally on Android, everything's all fine and dandy again.

Who's crying where?

 

[batting1000]

Who's crying where?

I was being sarcastic...

 

[onthecouchagain]

I'm not sure what it is, but I find Jelly Bean laggier than ICS on my GSM Galaxy Nexus. Sure, certain things are "butterier" and feel amazingly fast like when opening or closing apps or opening/closing the app drawer, but other things are strangely slower now. For example, when exiting an app to the home screen, if you immediately swipe to the next screen (left or right) there's this slight stutter. Never ever noticed this in ICS. I keep reading about JB still having micro-lag, and I'm not sure what that means, but I'm guessing that's what I'm seeing. And again, I feel ICS was smoother (not faster, but smoother; never saw ICS stutter). Really perplexing.

The keyboard has also seen a serious downgrade. It behaves very much like the iOS keyboard now. It misses keys, misses auto corrections (e.g. I should never ever see "ypu" when typing "you". "Ypu" should always auto correct to "you" but sometimes it appears in my emails/messages; it's like the keyboard forgets to or misses it and doesn't correct it. It happens frequently), and I really feel Google completely missed the point of shortcuts. It should not be offered as an option in the suggestion bar; it should automatically replace it with what you want. Having to pick the phrase you want of your shortcut from the suggestion bar just adds an extra step that is wholly unnecessary. I think the iOS keyboard is terrible, but if there's one thing they (and Blackberry) got right, it's shortcuts. I swear, typing on ICS was way smoother, more reliable, and less prone (almost never) to missed keys or missed autocorrections. There's also an incredibly odd glitch with backspacing after a period. There are members at the XDA forum who also agree the keyboard has slowed and the response time downgraded. Real shame, Google.

I'm really not sure what happened, but that boat that I said that was sailing for iOS suddenly made a u-turn. I'll be keeping a hopeful eye for surprises on the next gen iPhone, even though I'm not thrilled by iOS 6 at all, nor the rumored mere .5+ inch screen increase.

There are so many tradeoffs now between the two platforms. I foresee a pretty difficult decision to make depending on what happens this year.

 

[Toltepeceno]

I'm surprised the poll is so close on a mac forum.

 

[AfzalivE]

I'm not sure what it is, but I find Jelly Bean laggier than ICS on my GSM Galaxy Nexus. Sure, certain things are "butterier" and feel amazingly fast like when opening or closing apps or opening/closing the app drawer, but other things are strangely slower now. For example, when exiting an app to the home screen, if you immediately swipe to the next screen (left or right) there's this slight stutter. Never ever noticed this in ICS. I keep reading about JB still having micro-lag, and I'm not sure what that means, but I'm guessing that's what I'm seeing. And again, I feel ICS was smoother (not faster, but smoother; never saw ICS stutter). Really perplexing.

The keyboard has also seen a serious downgrade. It behaves very much like the iOS keyboard now. It misses keys, misses auto corrections (e.g. I should never ever see "ypu" when typing "you". "Ypu" should always auto correct to "you" but sometimes it appears in my emails/messages; it's like the keyboard forgets to or misses it and doesn't correct it. It happens frequently), and I really feel Google completely missed the point of shortcuts. It should not be offered as an option in the suggestion bar; it should automatically replace it with what you want. Having to pick the phrase you want of your shortcut from the suggestion bar just adds an extra step that is wholly unnecessary. I think the iOS keyboard is terrible, but if there's one thing they (and Blackberry) got right, it's shortcuts. I swear, typing on ICS was way smoother, more reliable, and less prone (almost never) to missed keys or missed autocorrections. There's also an incredibly odd glitch with backspacing after a period. There are members at the XDA forum who also agree the keyboard has slowed and the response time downgraded. Real shame, Google.

I'm really not sure what happened, but that boat that I said that was sailing for iOS suddenly made a u-turn. I'll be keeping a hopeful eye for surprises on the next gen iPhone, even though I'm not thrilled by iOS 6 at all, nor the rumored mere .5+ inch screen increase.

There are so many tradeoffs now between the two platforms. I foresee a pretty difficult decision to make depending on what happens this year.

Go to the keyboard options and change the agressiveness

 

[onthecouchagain]

Go to the keyboard options and change the agressiveness

Already "very aggressive." And Predictive Text is off too, which is what I thought was causing the slower response and missed autocorrections. I thought maybe the phone was doing too much work trying to predict. It's not the case.

Phone keyboards are my thing. I obsess over them. I constantly post about them whether it's the iOS keyboard or the Android keyboard(s).

I'm telling y'all, something went wrong with the JB keyboard (on the Galaxy Nexus, at least. Not positive how it is on the Nexus 7). Maybe Android 4.1.2 will address it in a patch, but for now, something is amiss. Again, XDA members have expressed the same.

 

[zbarvian]

I still think Android should be better at following your finger, and could use some UI design polishing. Some places are pretty, others are ugly as sin. It needs consistently smooth performance, not like how Chrome is laggier than the stock Browser. More quality control, too, especially in the Play Store.

I am getting somewhat bored with iOS, though.