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nightstalkerz

macrumors 6502
May 9, 2013
271
12
That doesn't look fragmented at all.

From a developers point of view, all the APIs are there and AirDrop is probably the only one which affects developers as it's the only one which they can have some control over.

By the time iOS7 is released, half of them will be around 2 years or older. I don't see much or any Android/Windows phones with this amount of support.
 

Jessica Lares

macrumors G3
Oct 31, 2009
9,612
1,057
Near Dallas, Texas, USA
Bringing up s voice and s memo is retarded seeing how it has nothing to do with android (the actual os).

Because we're talking about Siri. S Voice is just an app, but you can make the same arguments as people are with Siri.

As in,

"Siri is not supported due to hardware limitations."

"S Voice is not supported in the latest 4.0 upgrade of your device due to hardware limitations."

"Apple just wants to force you to upgrade."

"Samsung just wants to force you to upgrade."

I brought up S Memo for a reason, mostly because it allows you to use your finger to draw too. Yet, people will argue that it's only usable on the devices that support the S Pen.

Then, there will be the whole thing about the screen sizes on phones being too small. Well, how has SketchBook Mobile been a hit since 2009/10 then?
 

Zellio

macrumors 65816
Feb 7, 2012
1,165
474
I don't think it was an issue of Siri not running, but without the 2nd Gen Audience noise reduction processor embedded directly into 4S A5 Siri is more prone to not being less able to discern the human voice over ambient noise.

Who knows for sure except the people that work for Apple.

Same can be said for Airdrop.

Since I have an iPhone 5 and iPad 4 I won't lose any sleep over it.

And Apple still supports their older devices way better than anything in the android world.

Who knows except the people needing a reason to sell you a 4s? What about the fact that Siri was an app that worked on all iDevices before being bought?
 

Apollo 13

macrumors 6502a
May 29, 2010
679
16
The point isn't that they're leaving things out - obviously older devices can't do everything - it's that they're leaving out things the older devices can easily do, like Siri two years ago and AirDrop now.

They leave them out cuz it causes problems with older devices. Apple want their OS to run smooth. I had Siri on my iPhone 4 and it made my phone lag at times. I ended up removing it off my phone.
 

Daveoc64

macrumors 601
Jan 16, 2008
4,075
95
Bristol, UK
They leave them out cuz it causes problems with older devices. Apple want their OS to run smooth. I had Siri on my iPhone 4 and it made my phone lag at times. I ended up removing it off my phone.

Yes, I'm sure that's it.

The iPhone 3GS just couldn't handle the new ringtones added with iOS 4.1
 

maxosx

macrumors 68020
Dec 13, 2012
2,385
1
Southern California
The old nexus s got all the features of Jellybean including google now. It even got the full benefits of project butter.

That's because Google doesn't have the absolescence plan that Apple does. Selling both hardware & software it's in Apples best money making interest to force users to buy new hardware after a predetermined amount of time. It's a well known Apple practice.
 

hovscorpion12

macrumors 68040
Sep 12, 2011
3,046
3,128
USA
AirDrop is not that big a deal as we already share files/images via Dropbox, iCloud Photo stream, Emails, texts. AirDrop sort of copies Samsung's S-Beam and I rarely ever use it as I use all the options above.
 

sero323

macrumors regular
Jul 20, 2011
148
0
Looks like dropbox will be my best man still. No airdrop for ipad 3?? C'mon apple
 

Fanaticalism

macrumors 6502a
Apr 16, 2013
908
158
Personally, I think saying that iOS is fragmented is a bit of a reach as it does not cause the same level of disparity between applications and updates as does Android..

That being said, I mirror others sentiments regarding the forcing of people to upgrade their hardware due to profitability. I'll use the need to upgrade OSX to v higher than 10.6 for mac users to be able to hard sync their i5's, which also caused the older hardware to run itself into the ground and force you to upgrade your mac. This was one of the reasons I purchased my Air.
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
14,725
13,245
UK
I don't think my devices have faired that badly in the ios update. Between my ipad mini and iPod touch I'll actually be getting all the features. Not bad for tech which will be a year old at the time of the upgrade and is running on an old chipset, which by the time ios7 launches be 2 generations behind. I think updates on iOS are better organised and probably fairer than android. When you buy an iOS device you know that you will probably get at least 2 OS updates and you know roughly when you will get them. On android you don't really know what you will get and when. Jelly bean had been out for almost a year before I got it on my phone. I bought my samsung tablet last year, a few months after it was released. It's been updated to Jelly bean but I doubt it will get updated any further.
 

AQUADock

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2011
1,049
37
The point isn't that they're leaving things out - obviously older devices can't do everything - it's that they're leaving out things the older devices can easily do, like Siri two years ago and AirDrop now.

The reason AirDrop isn't included on older devices is because they don't have peer to peer wifi compatible chips.
 

aneftp

macrumors 601
Jul 28, 2007
4,374
570
I am still waiting for an official gingerbread 2.3 android update on my 2010 Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant I got on launch day. It was abandoned by Tmobile USA 6 months after its release.

I am still waiting for the official Samsung Galaxy S international ice cream sandwich 4.0 update. Oops that phone was abandoned as well by Samsunf the manufactuer also less than 18 months after its official release.

So both carriers and manufactuers abandon Android "flagship" devices within 6 months and 18 months.

The iPhone 4 is over 3 years old and still receives official updates.

And it's not just the Galaxy phones. It's motorola duo core atrix, HTC etc.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
Updates a problem on android for you? I agree. It sucks. Good thing there are Google play editions of current flagships and a whole dedicated nexus line.

Choice. It be a beautiful thing.

For the vast majority of regular users, current flagships that are on 4.1 and up will live.
 

aristobrat

macrumors G5
Oct 14, 2005
12,292
1,403
Quote from Redmondpie.com
"The new AirDrop, which makes its way over to iOS having proved a hit on the Mac, is a treat reserved for those in ownership of a brand new iOS device. So the iPhone 5, iPad 4, iPad mini and 5th-gen iPod touch. Do we think the iPhone 4S could cope with this new feature? Without a shadow of a doubt
What?

So a year ago, Redmondpie publishes an article that the iPhone 5 will ship with the Broadcom BCM4334 radio chipset onboard. Redmondpie titles their article "Next iPhone Will Reportedly Feature A New Wi-Fi Chip With AirDrop-Like Capabilities".

A little research on the Broadcom BCM4334 radio chipset show that it supports "simultaneously support network connectivity with one band while also allowing content streaming via technologies such as Wi-Fi Display and Wi-Fi Direct".

In other words, the Broadcom BCM4334 radio chipset lets you do things like AirDrop to another device without having to disconnect from your normal WiFi network.

Apple is restricting Airdrop to iPhone 5, iPad 4, iPad mini and iPod touch G5.

What do those devices have in common?

They are the only iOS devices that contain the Broadcom BCM4334 radio chipset.

So how the hell can Redmondpie.com publish an article in 2012 where they state that the BCM4334 gives "AirDrop capabilities", and now publish an article where they state "that without a doubt" Apple could give the same AirDrop capabilities to devices that Redmondpie knows don't have a chipset that supports Wi-Fi Direct, which is what Apple and Samsung use for their AirDrop (and similar) features?

Go home redmondpie, you're just trolling for clicks.
 

aneftp

macrumors 601
Jul 28, 2007
4,374
570
What?

So a year ago, Redmondpie publishes an article that the iPhone 5 will ship with the Broadcom BCM4334 radio chipset onboard. Redmondpie titles their article "Next iPhone Will Reportedly Feature A New Wi-Fi Chip With AirDrop-Like Capabilities".

A little research on the Broadcom BCM4334 radio chipset show that it supports "simultaneously support network connectivity with one band while also allowing content streaming via technologies such as Wi-Fi Display and Wi-Fi Direct".

In other words, the Broadcom BCM4334 radio chipset lets you do things like AirDrop to another device without having to disconnect from your normal WiFi network.

Apple is restricting Airdrop to iPhone 5, iPad 4, iPad mini and iPod touch G5.

What do those devices have in common?

They are the only iOS devices that contain the Broadcom BCM4334 radio chipset.

So how the hell can Redmondpie.com publish an article in 2012 where they state that the BCM4334 gives "AirDrop capabilities", and now publish an article where they state "that without a doubt" Apple could give the same AirDrop capabilities to devices that Redmondpie knows don't have a chipset that supports Wi-Fi Direct, which is what Apple and Samsung use for their AirDrop (and similar) features?

Go home redmondpie, you're just trolling for clicks.

iPhone 4 has no turn by turn navigation with Apple Maps. Which is ridiculous since Garmin/Tom Tom supports it as well as Google maps
 

robjulo

Suspended
Jul 16, 2010
1,623
3,159
The reason is irrelevant. The bottom line is there is feature fragmentation on ios is alive and well. Whether all users are on the latest version of the OS is meaningless if many of them cannot use the features in the latest version.
 

Skika

macrumors 68030
Mar 11, 2009
2,999
1,246
Apple conciders whether a feature would work good enough on an older device, not just if it could work at all.

Something Android(and its gazzilion editions) could learn from overall not just in regard to older devices.

Also talking about fragmentation just look at the s4, not THATS fragmentation.
 

aristobrat

macrumors G5
Oct 14, 2005
12,292
1,403
The reason is irrelevant. The bottom line is there is feature fragmentation on ios is alive and well. Whether all users are on the latest version of the OS is meaningless if many of them cannot use the features in the latest version.
The reason is irrelevant. Feature fragmentation has been with iOS since the second version of iOS came out in 2008. It's happened every year since then. That's half-a-decade of it. Who is claiming that it's any different now than it was before?

The alternative to feature fragmentation is to do what Android does, and that creates OS fragmentation. Are you really trying to make the point that to the average user, feature fragmentation has anywhere near the impact that OS fragmentation does?
 
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