okay.....a dual core faster than a quad+1 core....yeah yeah....
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thats only the nexus????....any comparisons against the SGS2?...or the One X?
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okay.....a dual core faster than a quad+1 core....yeah yeah....
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thats only the nexus????....any comparisons against the SGS2?...or the One X?
I'm sorry Invincibilizer, but I do not see how what you just said leads to you thinking the iPhone 4S is slower. Are you aware that the iPhone 4S, a device that was released over 6 months ago, beats both the HTC One X and the HTC One S when benchmarked?
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Serious question here, are you in the PC gaming scene at all? It is not uncommon for a dual core to be preferable to a quad core. Especially if the dual core is many generations newer (not saying the A5 is a generation newer), and considering that most programs are not optimized for quad cores.
I'll post the other benchmarks when I have a minute, but everything I can find shows the iPhone 4S still wins. I'd actually love to see something to the contrary, as I really expected some of these new devices to beat a 6+ month old device.
A browsing benchmark does not mean that the processor in the Galaxy Nexus is faster. Not saying that it is or isn't, as I don't know, but a browsing benchmark doesn't tell us anything apart from the fact that the ICS web browser optimisations for the Nexus hardware results in a slightly faster experience than the 4S. Those benchmarks don't apply to any other phones at all. Furthermore, any benchmarks run on any HTC phone don't give a measure of the hardware's true performance at all, as Sense is so heavy.
Besides, going by those benchmarks, if you care about numbers, the 4S is still the way to go on averages. However, strong real-world performance and responsiveness is as a result of proper optimisation for good hardware; iOS has always been at a strong point in this regard, and always will be ahead of Android technically just because its a closed ecosystem.
Not being pro-iOS or pro-Android; I'm just saying it how it is.
I'm not going to go into iOS vs Android as that is an argument that I'd rather not get into, and one this forum has way too much of. But iOS has its flaws, as does Android. They all do.
Wow, where to start. I've had both an iPhone 4 and a skyrocket. Currently using the skyrocket until the new phones come out this summer, when I will make another decision.
Both the Apple phones and the android phones have lots of pluses and minuses. It really is hard to choose in a way. The big strength with the iPhone is the ecosystem, and how well everything syncs. I do miss having the video content that I purchased in the iTunes store on my phone while using the skyrocket. I know that it is possible to strip the DRM off and drag and drop to get it over there, but that is a pain. Although if you're willing to just leave iTunes, Google Play does work well.
The hardware is among the things that android phone manufacturers are able to do well, because of the freedom. I love the bigger screen. Something I didn't think I would care about, but really love now, is being able to have a battery charger and just switch out to a new battery whenever I need to.
Just my experience, but I haven't had a problem with flash videos on the skyrocket- everything seems to play fine. The iPhone experience though was frustrating when something wasn't encoded in html5, so basically you couldn't view it unless you switched to a special browser.
The iOS updating is great, a plus for iPhone, knowing you will always have the latest version. The waiting for ICS on the skyrocket really sucked, until I found out that Samsung's touchwiz version really wasn't going to be much different than gingerbread, so it became kind of a "whatever".
The LTE actually is much faster than 3G, so that's a nice plus for some android phones right now, including the skyrocket, although I'm sure that will be a certainty for the next iPhone. It was nice being one of the first people in my area to have LTE though, when they turned on the towers I had it.
I could go on and on with some of these things, get into the software and so forth, but as you can see, it's a really mixed bag when trying to choose between android and iOS. I would almost just recommend that people try one of each for a while, and get an idea of what they prefer.
Both the Apple phones and the android phones have lots of pluses and minuses. It really is hard to choose in a way. The big strength with the iPhone is the ecosystem, and how well everything syncs. I do miss having the video content that I purchased in the iTunes store on my phone while using the skyrocket. I know that it is possible to strip the DRM off and drag and drop to get it over there, but that is a pain. Although if you're willing to just leave iTunes, Google Play does work well.
The hardware is among the things that android phone manufacturers are able to do well, because of the freedom. I love the bigger screen. Something I didn't think I would care about, but really love now, is being able to have a battery charger and just switch out to a new battery whenever I need to.
Just my experience, but I haven't had a problem with flash videos on the skyrocket- everything seems to play fine. The iPhone experience though was frustrating when something wasn't encoded in html5, so basically you couldn't view it unless you switched to a special browser.
The iOS updating is great, a plus for iPhone, knowing you will always have the latest version. The waiting for ICS on the skyrocket really sucked, until I found out that Samsung's touchwiz version really wasn't going to be much different than gingerbread, so it became kind of a "whatever".
The LTE actually is much faster than 3G, so that's a nice plus for some android phones right now, including the skyrocket, although I'm sure that will be a certainty for the next iPhone. It was nice being one of the first people in my area to have LTE though, when they turned on the towers I had it.
I could go on and on with some of these things, get into the software and so forth, but as you can see, it's a really mixed bag when trying to choose between android and iOS. I would almost just recommend that people try one of each for a while, and get an idea of what they prefer.
I'm a 3 year Android user who just switched to my first iphone a couple weeks ago. I have been on a mac at home for a long long time, decided to finally have the eco-system between comp/phone. Anyway, I am very happy so far. There are, as others have said, pros and cons to each platform. There are definitely things I miss about Android, but overall I think I was just bored after a few years and wanted something new. Sounds like the reverse of what happened to some of you - got bored with ios and decided to check out Android lol.
And my last phone was the sg2 on Tmobile's "4g" network. That's been one of the hardest parts of the transition, going from hspa+ to 3g. Noticeably slower, but still usable. Definitely takes a few extra seconds for data to go through. But overall I am thrilled to finally be on an iphone. I would have gotten one sooner but I'd been with tmobile for years. Finally, after years of them not getting the iphone, I decided to jump ship. To each their own.
And my last phone was the sg2 on Tmobile's "4g" network. That's been one of the hardest parts of the transition, going from hspa+ to 3g. Noticeably slower, but still usable. Definitely takes a few extra seconds for data to go through. But overall I am thrilled to finally be on an iphone. I would have gotten one sooner but I'd been with tmobile for years. Finally, after years of them not getting the iphone, I decided to jump ship. To each their own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EksRXOws0dg&feature=player_embedded#!
HTC One X clearly wins with a quad core processor.
Multiple tests shows that Snapdragon S4 dual core is comparable to Tegra 3 quad core
Using standard logic of the law of syllogism
1-iPhone4S < HTC One X
2-HTC One X < HTC One S
Therefore one can conclude that HTC One S > HTC One X > iPhone4S
Both HTC devices contain 2012 chipsets while iPhone4S has a 2011 chipset, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know why HTC One Series consistently beat iPhone4S in performance.
Let's look at the video:
Video Title: Browser-based benchmarks
Test 1: BrowserMark
HTC - 110680
iPhone - 87105
Test 2: Sunspider
HTC - 2178.8 ms
iPhone - 2258.0 ms
Test 3: Speed Reading - "Take full advantage of your device with GPU powered graphics and a new JavaScript engine"
HTC - Average Draw Duration after 225 draws - 16 ms
iPhone - Average Draw Duration after 225 draws- 9 ms
Are you aware that this video actually supports my statement?
BrowserMark and Sunspider are browser benchmarks. The most telling part of the video is the HTML5 performance benchmark at the end, where the full capabilities of the device are being used, and the iPhone is almost twice as fast.
Your argument is tired and not applicable to the majority of iPhone users. The millions of sold units speaks of itself. PLUS I'm a sheep simply because I like the iPhone? Get over yourself.
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I'm not in to benchmarks, but that video clearly showed that HTC One X out performed the iPhone4S.
Spin it anyway you want but Snapdragon S4 1.5ghz is the latest state of the art chip from Qualcomm, still refuting the fact that a 2012 chip is better than a 2011 chip is absurd.
Chips, CPU's, Ram etc etc is only part of the equation. I recently wanted to try a different phone from ios and recently bought a Samsung Galaxy Note. 9 days later its up for sale on eBay and back with the 4S.
Now the phone was awesome, beautiful and big screen. The battery did just trump my 4S for usage, the hardware is brilliant.
But the reason I'm selling it is just that the whole experience is just meh. It's the little things like a nano second longer when you touch the screen before it scrolls! The delay from sleep mode to awake when the button is pressed, also from when your on a call to removing it from your ear and the proximity sensors kicks in. The slight jerk in scrolling (official twitter app the worst example) and also in the browser and no inertia scrolling 1 flick and you can be at the bottom of a 32 page document!
It's just the rough edges of android that leave me disappointed. Throw all the cores etc you want at it and it still isn't on a par with the 3GS for smoothness. I di try ics stunner v5 beta rom, and while improved it still lacks the polish of ios.
Google play market is also a mess, I did buy ADW Launcher EX for £2, went to pay for it and pops up an extra 36p VAT on top and then also got charged £2.50 for an international transaction from my bank. So nearly £5 for an app advertised at £2
I admit google navigation is fantastic and hope apple can churn out something like this for ios6, would be far handier than siri.
But like other posters have said its each to their own and I prefer the smoothness, and the variety of developers apps in the iOS store oh and boy did I miss intelliscreenX!
Now the phone was awesome, beautiful and big screen. The battery did just trump my 4S for usage, the hardware is brilliant.
But the reason I'm selling it is just that the whole experience is just meh. It's the little things like a nano second longer when you touch the screen before it scrolls! The delay from sleep mode to awake when the button is pressed, also from when your on a call to removing it from your ear and the proximity sensors kicks in. The slight jerk in scrolling (official twitter app the worst example) and also in the browser and no inertia scrolling 1 flick and you can be at the bottom of a 32 page document!
It's just the rough edges of android that leave me disappointed. Throw all the cores etc you want at it and it still isn't on a par with the 3GS for smoothness. I di try ics stunner v5 beta rom, and while improved it still lacks the polish of ios.
Google play market is also a mess, I did buy ADW Launcher EX for £2, went to pay for it and pops up an extra 36p VAT on top and then also got charged £2.50 for an international transaction from my bank. So nearly £5 for an app advertised at £2
I admit google navigation is fantastic and hope apple can churn out something like this for ios6, would be far handier than siri.
But like other posters have said its each to their own and I prefer the smoothness, and the variety of developers apps in the iOS store oh and boy did I miss intelliscreenX!
There is no spin involved. I started by saying there has yet to be an Android phone released that beats the iPhone 4S in CPU/GPU benchmarks. I then followed up with a screenshot showing that the iPhone lost in some browser benchmarks, while winning in the non-browser related tests, while reiterating my original statement regarding CPU/GPU benchmarks.
Your video literally mirrors my screenshot. It shows the result of BrowserMark and SunSpider browser tests, where iPhone lost, then finishes with a more advanced benchmark that "Takes full advantage of your device with GPU powered graphics", where the iPhone was almost twice as fast.
Since you aren't into benchmarks, I'll explain a bit. BrowserMark and SunSpider are primarily browser benchmarks. They are comparing Safari vs the Android Stock browser. This is not how you benchmark the actual hardware (CPU/GPU). Could you imagine NVidia or Intel showing off their latest hardware, not with a full 3D demo of Toy Story level graphics running at 60 fps, but with a browser JavaScript benchmark? If you know anything about the industry, you'd know that to be absurd
The other benchmarks shown, including the html5 benchmark in your video, are the true indications of what the hardware is capable of.
I'm sorry you feel that way Invincibilizer, but your feelings of absurdity do not negate the facts that even your own link is showing you. This is not a debate, or an argument, it's simple math.
I'm buy the HTC One X tomorrow!
Currently using iP4, its a very good phone, just that there are newer and better phones around...
To people arguing about benchmarks:
There isn't a single Android application or game that my Tegra 3 based Transformer Prime can't run adequately.
There isn't a single iOS application or game that my A5 based iPad 2 can't run adequately.
In this age of decent dual/quad core CPU's and GPU's, I doubt that getting an insane score on any synthetic benchmark matters. From what I've personally experienced, all of the modern hardware I've owned (Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S II, iPad 2, Transformer Prime) have all run their respective OS's and applications more than adequately.
The only real weak hardware I've used recently was my Tegra 2 based Xoom.
There isn't a single Android application or game that my Tegra 3 based Transformer Prime can't run adequately.
There isn't a single iOS application or game that my A5 based iPad 2 can't run adequately.
In this age of decent dual/quad core CPU's and GPU's, I doubt that getting an insane score on any synthetic benchmark matters. From what I've personally experienced, all of the modern hardware I've owned (Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S II, iPad 2, Transformer Prime) have all run their respective OS's and applications more than adequately.
The only real weak hardware I've used recently was my Tegra 2 based Xoom.
Not going to discuss network speed as i haven't done tests, but in terms of UI response, an iphone of equal cpu spec should cane an android because it is all native code (without garbage collection running in the background as the developer is responsible for manual memory management) and not java... ditto for RAM consumption. Native code is leaner and faster, all other things being equal.
However, many android phones have faster CPUs, more RAM, etc.
You will likely pay the price in battery life (again, this can be negated somewhat with a bigger battery, but...)
The key thing however is this: spec sheet comparisons don't tell the whole story. the software is different, and in general the iphone trades off programmer/development IDE work for code efficiency (i.e., the developer/Xcode generates more efficient native code with either ARC or manual memory management).
Android just throws faster hardware with more memory at the problem. Given equal hardware spec (CPU, ram, battery capacity), iOS is faster and will draw less power.
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Thanks for that and my point still stands as well. The 4s could have the fastest CPU and GPU ever created but its useless running on a 3G network. My Razr Maxx can open a webpage with a bunch of graphics and text before my iPhone can even finish its Google search for the same website. So its pretty much a moot point. Lets hope Apple is smart enough to make the next iPhone LTE compatible.
I am a tad divided on a larger screen. IMO, my iphone 4s is the perfect size for me to use in one hand while walking, especially if my other hand is holding a bag of (something), while still maintaining a solid grip. I clearly can't do that with a note, and suspect that I would fumble with a nexus.
I am very straightforward and lazy guy, so I probably can't be bothered to fiddle around with widgets, customise this or that, or heck, even set a wallpaper. In that aspect, the locked down nature of the iphone doesn't really bother me, in the sense that a limitation isn't really a limitation if you don't overstep the boundaries.
I suspect there are scores more like me, which is why the iphone is selling so well.
I am very straightforward and lazy guy, so I probably can't be bothered to fiddle around with widgets, customise this or that, or heck, even set a wallpaper. In that aspect, the locked down nature of the iphone doesn't really bother me, in the sense that a limitation isn't really a limitation if you don't overstep the boundaries.
I suspect there are scores more like me, which is why the iphone is selling so well.
And you don't see yourself as a sheep for chasing after silly hardware specs :roll eyes:
Just because someone likes something, or sticks with something because they like the design and it works doesn't make them a "sheep".
This whole "sheep" put down is getting so tired. Especially when you sell 37M phones in a quarter. Is everyone who bight an iPhone last quarter "sheep" because they didn't go with a phone that had a larger screen and better specs on paper?
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Prior to my iPhone 4S I owned an HTC Aria. It was my first smartphone and I wanted something compact. Also wanted Flash support. Absolutely hated the phone. Never got Flash support (phone was never updated past Android 2.2). Battery wouldn't last more than 3-4 hours a charge. When I took it to AT&T they told me widgets were draining the battery and I should disable them. Quite honestly I haven't missed them. I have one weather app which is as close to a widget as you'll find on iOS and that's all I need. There might be some things with Android that are better than iOS but I'm happy with my phone so I see no reason to try anything else.I am a tad divided on a larger screen. IMO, my iphone 4s is the perfect size for me to use in one hand while walking, especially if my other hand is holding a bag of (something), while still maintaining a solid grip. I clearly can't do that with a note, and suspect that I would fumble with a nexus.
I am very straightforward and lazy guy, so I probably can't be bothered to fiddle around with widgets, customise this or that, or heck, even set a wallpaper. In that aspect, the locked down nature of the iphone doesn't really bother me, in the sense that a limitation isn't really a limitation if you don't overstep the boundaries.
I suspect there are scores more like me, which is why the iphone is selling so well.
Exactly. Nobody can tell the difference between a dual core and quad core this vs that, unless you bring up a chart with the specs on it. During the average joe's daily use, nobody knows the difference.
Benchmarks are only really useful comparing the same OS. Linpack times took a major hit after the last app update. Doesn't mean the phones got slower.
The only time I relied on a benchmark was when I was overclocking my android tablet to compare before and after.
Games play just as smooth on my tablet as they do my iPhone 4S. Only real world difference I noticed with overclocking was the smoothness of the browser on busy flash based web pages. And processor hungry emulators like playstation one games like gran turismo play smoother with my tablet overclocked.
While iOS is smoother in overall function it's mainly because iOS prioritizes user input. Example scrolling on a web page while it's loading on ios will pause it from loading, android will continue to load as you scroll with an obvious adverse effect on the ui at least on pre s2 devices (never tested the s2 or better). Compromises, form over function or vice versa.
I think android could benefit from more software optimization instead of state of the art processors and massive amounts of ram.
The only time I relied on a benchmark was when I was overclocking my android tablet to compare before and after.
Games play just as smooth on my tablet as they do my iPhone 4S. Only real world difference I noticed with overclocking was the smoothness of the browser on busy flash based web pages. And processor hungry emulators like playstation one games like gran turismo play smoother with my tablet overclocked.
While iOS is smoother in overall function it's mainly because iOS prioritizes user input. Example scrolling on a web page while it's loading on ios will pause it from loading, android will continue to load as you scroll with an obvious adverse effect on the ui at least on pre s2 devices (never tested the s2 or better). Compromises, form over function or vice versa.
I think android could benefit from more software optimization instead of state of the art processors and massive amounts of ram.
Great review. Fair, balanced and completely right. Thanks for sharing. Yours is the kind of post that should be sticked to the top of every iOS forum warning people of the perils of Android. Apple's consumer focus will always trump Google's clOpen strategy when it comes to delivering a first class experience.
understandable but the Aria was a bad phone to begin with. You would have been better off doindpg some research before buying it. I'm sure your view on Android would be much different had you bought a quality phone. Bottom line is you have a phone that works for you know, that's all that matters
Switched from the 4S to the GS2 and could only stand using it for about a month before I switched back. There were just so many small annoyances even after trying almost every major custom ROM and app to tweak it to my liking:
- Screen size. At first this was a plus for watching video, but then I realized how difficult it was to use the phone single handedly. Reaching to each corner of the screen with just my thumb was impossible.
- There wasn't an easy way to get notification badges. For every ROM I'd need to find some app or custom launcher which supported it, and since badge notifications are more of an inherent OS supported feature, not all apps would work with it.
- Customising how each app notified me. I couldn't seem to modify (at an OS level) how every app would notify me; whether it was a popup or not, whether it showed in the lock screen etc. Every app had it's own per-app notification settings.
- The gmail client, while very nicely integrated with gmail features, didn't render emails the way I'd like it to. Emails would always be shown zoomed out and some rendered incorrectly.
- Lack of a good app for stocks. Most apps I seemed to find resembled a pre-2000 era geocities website.
It took me less than two weeks of using a Galaxy Nexus and a Rezound to realize that I needed to switch back.
If you had it for a month, you didn't try very hard at all it seems. I have had my SGS2 Skyrocket for about 2 weeks now, and I have not rooted it or placed any custom roms on it, yet I have an app that notifies me, even in standby, if I have an sms, email, text, app update and so on, via audio and visual notification. The app is called NoLED. And this also takes care of notification badges too, since NoLED tells you exactly how many missed calls, texts, sms messages, voice mails, charging indicator, current weather and any app you specify that updates.
Gmail is a POS email client. If you had ask sd any Android user, they would have guided you to K-9, although iOS'es email and Sparrow are much, much better than any Android email app. K-9 would have been in 3rd place to those 2, if it was on iOS.
Can't help the fact you have small hands and a 4.5 inch screen is too big. A little planning and educating yourself by playing with in store phones could have told you the S2 would be too big for you.
Point is, you don't have much in the way of a valid point. If you had given your opinion about the Android OS not being to your liking, or there was lag in the processes that you couldn't stand or some other hardware glitch, I could understand. But what you posted... That was more akin to someone complaining, just to complain, imo. Not hating on you, it's just how I perceived your post.
Personally, I enjoy using Android, but I also enjoy WebOS and iOS. Got no real complaints about any of them. It really seems like people hate on iOS or Android because they didn't educate themselves fully on the capabilities, or they are just hating to hate (you see this a lot on the Android forums, unfortunately.)