ios11 has destroyed my SE [MERGED]

[oldmacs]

Realistically similar type of complaints and threads were around in the early days of iOS 10 as well (and 9, 8, etc.), and then things improve for more and more who are experiencing or noticing issues by the time more and more updates come out for those versions so much that by the last update it's usually almost (if it actually) praised as an example of perfection even by many of those who were not happy about it in the initial versions.

Yep defend defend defend defend (Unsurprisingly).

Yeah thats all based on perception. People don't notice their phones have slowed down after a while. iOS 10 a) had far more iPhone features than iOS 11 and b) managed to run far better on old devices despite this.

Can you show me those devices which can render animations perfectly on iOS 11?

 

[C DM]

Yep defend defend defend defend (Unsurprisingly).

Yeah thats all based on perception. People don't notice their phones have slowed down after a while. iOS 10 a) had far more iPhone features than iOS 11 and b) managed to run far better on old devices despite this.

Can you show me those devices which can render animations perfectly on iOS 11?

Yup, if you don't attack that must mean you defend. Things can obviously only exist in absolute extremes and nothing else. And just plain realistic takes on things need to be twisted to fit those polar opposites even if nothing of the sort is said. Unsurprising, as you mentioned.

 

[oldmacs]

Yup, if you don't attack that must mean you defend. Things can obviously only exist in absolute extremes and nothing else. And just plain realistic takes on things need to be twisted to fit those polar opposites even if nothing of the sort is said. Unsurprising, as you mentioned.

Well given you argue with anyone and anything that suggests anything negative about iOS... (It must always be an isolated problem apparently).


Where is your example of iOS 11 perfectly rendering animations?

 

[C DM]

Well given you argue with anyone and anything that suggests anything negative about iOS... (It must always be an isolated problem apparently).


Where is your example of iOS 11 perfectly rendering animations?

It's interesting that you mention "anything negative" part when in most cases when I join these discussions it's often because they aren't really being presented about just some negatives, but when they are being presented as exaggerated if not actual absolute extremes, which is what gets commented on. But as it often happens all that gets overlooked and twisted into it all being some sort of polar opposite defense of something and some sort of representation that things are amazing and perfect (even through, once again, that's not even close to what's actually said).

 

[fisherking]

iOS 11 is hopeless on everything so unsurprising it's bad on the SE. I'm glad I downgraded mine.

it's great on my SE (except for the calculator issue). stable, fast, good battery life.

 

[oldmacs]

It's interesting that you mention "anything negative" part when in most cases when I join these discussions it's often because they aren't really being presented about just some negatives, but when they are being presented as exaggerated if not actual absolute extremes, which is what gets commented on. But as it often happens all that gets overlooked and twisted into it all being some sort of polar opposite defense of something and some sort of representation that things are amazing and perfect (even through, once again, that's not even close to what's actually said).

Or maybe they are experiences people are actually having, that don't need to be 'moderated'.

In the case of iOS 11, no one seems to be able to show it actually preforming well or provide any justification of why a feature light release (for iPhones) could possibly degrade startup time, app opening time and animation rendering to the extent iOS 11 has
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it's great on my SE (except for the calculator issue). stable, fast, good battery life.

I'm glad to hear it. Perhaps I'm more picky, as I don't find jitter and lag acceptable on my own phone.

 

[fisherking]

Or maybe they are experiences people are actually having, that don't need to be 'moderated'.

In the case of iOS 11, no one seems to be able to show it actually preforming well or provide any justification of why a feature light release (for iPhones) could possibly degrade startup time, app opening time and animation rendering to the extent iOS 11 has
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I'm glad to hear it. Perhaps I'm more picky, as I don't find jitter and lag acceptable on my own phone.

then i guess it's good i don't have those issues on my phone.

 

[oldmacs]

then i guess it's good i don't have those issues on my phone.

I'm just interested, can you demonstrate your phone being used opening every app as fast as iOS 10, booting as fast as iOS 10 and also without any animation drops or jitters at all and matching iOS 10.3.3 battery life?

I couldn't with a fresh install of iOS 11 on my SE. That was 11.0 though, however I'm not aware of that many improvements with 11.0.3. There is nothing wrong with my phone whatsoever, so every other SE should perform at least the same as mine.

 

[C DM]

Or maybe they are experiences people are actually having, that don't need to be 'moderated'.

In the case of iOS 11, no one seems to be able to show it actually preforming well or provide any justification of why a feature light release (for iPhones) could possibly degrade startup time, app opening time and animation rendering to the extent iOS 11 has
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I'm glad to hear it. Perhaps I'm more picky, as I don't find jitter and lag acceptable on my own phone.

That's fine that people are having those experiences (fine in the sense that there are certainly those who have some issues here and there and would be unhappy about that), but that doesn't mean that it's that way--as in having a horrible experience--for everyone, and it often gets presented that way, which is what often gets commented on (and then quickly gets twisted into something else).

 

[oldmacs]

That's fine that people are having those experiences (fine in the sense that there are certainly those who have some issues here and there and would be unhappy about that), but that doesn't mean that it's that way--as in having a horrible experience--for everyone, and it often gets presented that way, which is what often gets commented on (and then quickly gets twisted into something else).

One person's horrible experience is another person's perfectly good experience. However if something is slower than something else when variables are removed then it is slower.

 

[C DM]

One person's horrible experience is another person's perfectly good experience. However if something is slower than something else when variables are removed then it is slower.

But that's still fairly different from many statements in the vein of "hopeless on everything" (for example).

 

[oldmacs]

But that's still fairly different from many statements in the vein of "hopeless on everything" (for example).

Well I do think it is hopeless. The iPad Pro 10.5 shouldn't jitter. The fact that Apple can't produce an OS that can consistently render smooth simple animations is beyond a joke.

 

[C DM]

Well I do think it is hopeless. The iPad Pro 10.5 shouldn't jitter. The fact that Apple can't produce an OS that can consistently render smooth simple animations is beyond a joke.

And others can think that it isn't as extremely bad when it comes to everything/everyone, which clearly doesn't appear to be the case given that various people post about it not being like that for them. Again, there are definitely people having issues of one type or another, but that doesn't mean it's completely horrible and is so for everything/everyone. And as far as hopelessness goes, based on past new major releases where various people also expressed similar opinions in the early days, things have often, if not pretty much always took quite a turn as more updates came out. (Please notice that no allusions to anything being perfect were made nor was anything being defended, just commentary on realistic observations. Quite silly that a "disclaimer" like this even needs to be made simply in hopes that words don't get twisted and misrepresented yet again.)

 

[oldmacs]

And others can think that it isn't as extremely bad when it comes to everything/everyone, which clearly doesn't appear to be the case given that various people post about it not being like that for them. Again, there are definitely people having issues of one type or another, but that doesn't mean it's completely horrible and is so for everything/everyone. And as far as hopelessness goes, based on past new major releases where various people also expressed similar opinions in the early days, things have often, if not pretty much always took quite a turn as more updates came out. (Please notice that no allusions to anything being perfect were made nor was anything being defended, just commentary on realistic observations. Quite silly that a "disclaimer" like this even needs to be made simply in hopes that words don't get twisted and misrepresented yet again.)

And did I claim that everyone is annoyed by that sort of jitter? No.

I have expressed my opinion is that it is horrible for a company with as many resources as Apple is incompetent at designing an operating system to run smoothly on brand new hardware. The demeanor of your responses have been defending Apple by saying this happens every year, it's only a minority etc etc, the same as every complaint anyone seems to make on this site.

I disagree with this as iOS 11 is worse than iOS 10. Lst year, where iOS 10 was either the same or only slightly worse than iOS 9 even on old hardware. (iOS 9 was a terrible release in itself)

 

[C DM]

And did I claim that everyone is annoyed by that sort of jitter? No.

I have expressed my opinion is that it is horrible for a company with as many resources as Apple is incompetent at designing an operating system to run smoothly on brand new hardware. The demeanor of your responses have been defending Apple by saying this happens every year.

I disagree with this as iOS 11 is worse than iOS 10. Lst year, where iOS 10 was either the same or only slightly worse than iOS 9 even on old hardware. (iOS 9 was a terrible release in itself)

This was all started and has been in the context of "iOS 11 is hopeless on everything".

As for comparing previous years and mentioning how things and opinions change from the early days to latter days, that's just making observations about reality. Threre's no defending of anything happening there when that's just the reality. What you might read into that isn't something that I or anyone else can control, but that doesn't mean that that's what's being said or even implied.

 

[oldmacs]

This was all started and has been in the context of "iOS 11 is hopeless on everything".

As for comparing previous years and mentioning how things and opinions change from the early days to latter days, that's just making observations about reality. Threre's no defending of anything happening there when that's just the reality. What you might read into that isn't something that I or anyone else can control, but that doesn't mean that that's what's being said or even implied.

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Well I don't back down from my statement. iOS 11 is hopeless on everything. I've already explained what my definition of hopeless is.

 

[phoni]

it's great on my SE (except for the calculator issue). stable, fast, good battery life.

Same with mine, no issues. It seems that iOS 11 was designed for and by pre-teens...

 

[fisherking]

I'm just interested, can you demonstrate your phone being used opening every app as fast as iOS 10, booting as fast as iOS 10 and also without any animation drops or jitters at all and matching iOS 10.3.3 battery life?

I couldn't with a fresh install of iOS 11 on my SE. That was 11.0 though, however I'm not aware of that many improvements with 11.0.3. There is nothing wrong with my phone whatsoever, so every other SE should perform at least the same as mine.

i'm reporting my experience. i've had the SE since it first came out, and it's running as well (or better) than it ever was. which makes me happy. except the calculator.

am a tech person (15 years). i used to jailbreak my (previous) phones, i know what i'm seeing, how things are running.

and... it's just my experience. am not telling anyone what they're experiencing. get it? am not telling anyone else what they're experiencing.

 

[oldmacs]

i'm reporting my experience. i've had the SE since it first came out, and it's running as well (or better) than it ever was. which makes me happy. except the calculator.

am a tech person (15 years). i used to jailbreak my (previous) phones, i know what i'm seeing, how things are running.

and... it's just my experience. am not telling anyone what they're experiencing. get it? am not telling anyone else what they're experiencing.

I'd just be fairly surprised to see an SE run without any jitter in iOS 11. Out of the over 100 devices I've used with iOS 11, not one of them have gone more than 2-3 or so minutes on the springboard without exhibiting some sort of jitter or animation problem. All the iPhone SE's I played with through multiple stores over the last couple of days have done the same.

Thus why I find it hard to believe that any SE is running iOS 11 perfectly. My logical explanation would be that since the SE on a clean install jitters in iOS 11, that means all of them do. However this may not be perceived by everyone. I'm not telling you what your experience is, that is based on perception.

 

[Radon87000]

Enjoying my iPad Pro on iOS 10 but loathing my iPhone 7 on iOS 11.

 

[oldmacs]

Enjoying my iPad Pro on iOS 10 but loathing my iPhone 7 on iOS 11.

I loathed it on my 10.5 Pro so I downgraded. Tried it again today on an iPad Pro 10.5 in store and was able to get 5 noticeable jitters out of 1.5 minutes of springboard interaction. I couldn't stand that, whats the point of the 120HZ display and the high end specs if iOS can't run decently.

 

[Zxxv]

My SE is fine. Had it since around launch. Upgraded over air. Even tried making it stutter just now by playing round with it. Couldn't. All is fine. Some people must be trying to play iOS 11 like a ****ing video game.

 

[oldmacs]

My SE is fine. Had it since around launch. Upgraded over air. Even tried making it stutter just now by playing round with it. Couldn't. All is fine. Some people must be trying to play iOS 11 like a ****ing video game.

Maybe I'm noticing things others aren't.

 

[Zxxv]

Maybe I'm noticing things others aren't.

It aint a video game. Stop playing it like one.

 

[oldmacs]

It aint a video game. Stop playing it like one.

I hardly call opening/closing apps, unlocking the phone or opening folders 'playing it like a video game'.