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ios11 has destroyed my SE [MERGED]

oldmacs said:
I'd just be fairly surprised to see an SE run without any jitter in iOS 11. Out of the over 100 devices I've used with iOS 11, not one of them have gone more than 2-3 or so minutes on the springboard without exhibiting some sort of jitter or animation problem. All the iPhone SE's I played with through multiple stores over the last couple of days have done the same.

Thus why I find it hard to believe that any SE is running iOS 11 perfectly. My logical explanation would be that since the SE on a clean install jitters in iOS 11, that means all of them do. However this may not be perceived by everyone. I'm not telling you what your experience is, that is based on perception.
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wait... you've checked 'over 100 devices'? and played with multiple SEs in multiple stores over the last couple of days"?? is this really what you do with your time? you drive from store to store checking the SE???

my life is much simpler: i am just using my phone. i'm a pretty straightforward, honest person... and i reporting what i am experiencing. if you expect us to believe what you wrote above, it should be even easier to believe i am telling the truth.
 
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iOS is hopeless when the user experience is based on luck.

When there are problems, the suggestions are always try reinstalling. "Try again, cause mine is perfect"
 
macfacts said:
iOS is hopeless when the user experience is based on luck.

When there are problems, the suggestions are always try reinstalling. "Try again, cause mine is perfect"
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In enough cases there are issues that come up because of that and something like a reset or a reinstall can help. Been the basics of computing and technology for decades now (well beyond iOS and Apple).
 
macfacts said:
iOS is hopeless when the user experience is based on luck.

When there are problems, the suggestions are always try reinstalling. "Try again, cause mine is perfect"
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that's one suggestion. if you look thru these forums, you'll find a wide variety of issues, and suggested fixes. and sometimes a suggestion works, and sometimes not.

but what's luck have to do with anything? you mean, because my phone works well, and yours doesn't? it's a technical thing, not luck, or magic.
 
Did anyone randomly get data switching off with iOS 11.0.x? My wife realised she wasn’t getting emails/texts until getting onto WiFi at home and upon checking it seemed data was set to off!
 
fisherking said:
wait... you've checked 'over 100 devices'? and played with multiple SEs in multiple stores over the last couple of days"?? is this really what you do with your time? you drive from store to store checking the SE???

my life is much simpler: i am just using my phone. i'm a pretty straightforward, honest person... and i reporting what i am experiencing. if you expect us to believe what you wrote above, it should be even easier to believe i am telling the truth.
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Wow slow down on the personal attacks. I work in IT, I happen to handle a lot of devices. And nope, I was out shopping for external hard drives. Yesterday and a couple of days ago. Every IT based shop in the complex I was at has an apple display and I often scope out the prices and try out devices. But yeah I guess I'm just a liar.

I am not doubting that you are telling the truth, as I've already explained, it's a matter of perception.

fisherking said:
but what's luck have to do with anything? you mean, because my phone works well, and yours doesn't? it's a technical thing, not luck, or magic.
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Or a thing of perception. For example, Ithink my Toyota is an enjoyable car to drive and that it performs well enough but I know that others will tell me the exact opposite.
 
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oldmacs said:
Wow slow down on the personal attacks. I work in IT, I happen to handle a lot of devices. And nope, I was out shopping for external hard drives. Yesterday and a couple of days ago. Every IT based shop in the complex I was at has an apple display and I often scope out the prices and try out devices. But yeah I guess I'm just a liar.

Or a thing of perception. For exanmple I think my Corolla is an enjoyable car to drive and that it performs well enough but I know that others will tell me the exact opposite.
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apologies, am not calling you a liar. makes sense, if you're in IT, that you encounter a lot of devices.

the car observation, tho, should tell you how much all of this is opinion; that much i agree with. meanwhile, nothing changes the fact that the SE on my desk here is a killer, running fast, stable, well.
 
fisherking said:
the car observation, tho, should tell you how much all of this is opinion; that much i agree with. meanwhile, nothing changes the fact that the SE on my desk here is a killer, running fast, stable, well.
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But how do you know there aren't things you don't notice? I'm not taking a stutter with every animation, I'm talking a stutter ever 2 or so minutes on the springboard.

I remember when iOS 7 came out I thought it ran well on my iPhone 4, yet people called it the worst update ever etc. I didn't really notice the slow down, eveh though empirically it was there.
 
oldmacs said:
But how do you know there aren't things you don't notice? I'm not taking a stutter with every animation, I'm talking a stutter ever 2 or so minutes on the springboard.

I remember when iOS 7 came out I thought it ran well on my iPhone 4, yet people called it the worst update ever etc. I didn't really notice the slow down, eveh though empirically it was there.
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am also in tech, and, when i'm out, i live on my iphone (sigh, i miss the jailbreak days). am not seeing what you report, it's just not there. what else can i say? not everyone is experiencing what you've seen, so it's not a universal issue.
 
fisherking said:
am also in tech, and, when i'm out, i live on my iphone (sigh, i miss the jailbreak days). am not seeing what you report, it's just not there. what else can i say? not everyone is experiencing what you've seen, so it's not a universal issue.
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Take a look at this short video in this link and let me know if it looks smooth. Everyone doesn't see things the same, just curious of what you see in the video.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/music-app-apple-music-slow.2081342/
 
oldmacs said:
I loathed it on my 10.5 Pro so I downgraded. Tried it again today on an iPad Pro 10.5 in store and was able to get 5 noticeable jitters out of 1.5 minutes of springboard interaction. I couldn't stand that, whats the point of the 120HZ display and the high end specs if iOS can't run decently.
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I had upgraded to iOS 11 on my 2017 12.9 iPad Pro and within 1 hour I downgraded. Horrible stuttering everywhere even in minor animations. Battery was draining 10% an hour. Downgraded to iOS 10 and enjoying a perfect experience. My iPad is staying on iOS 10.3.3 forever.

As I posted in another thread,using iOS 10 on an iPad Pro with 120hz after using iOS 11 on iPhone 7 is like having a massage done by the hot springs after a hard day at work
 
Radon87000 said:
I had upgraded to iOS 11 on my 2017 12.9 iPad Pro and within 1 hour I downgraded. Horrible stuttering everywhere even in minor animations. Battery was draining 10% an hour. Downgraded to iOS 10 and enjoying a perfect experience. My iPad is staying on iOS 10.3.3 forever.

As I posted in another thread,using iOS 10 on an iPad Pro with 120hz after using iOS 11 on iPhone 7 is like having a massage done by the hot springs after a hard day at work
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Yeah thats what my experience with 11 on a Pro 10.5 was. I couldn't stand it. 10.3.3 is so good.
 
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fisherking said:
yes, that one phone in that one video is stuttering. mine doesn't do that. it's not that i'm not 'seeing' it, it's that my phone doesn't stutter. which suggests that not all phones have that issue...
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Now we agree that at least one out of millions is having stuttering problems.

Do you also agree that apps are sandboxed and that Apple controls the hardware and software?

Also, by claiming that not all iPhones have the problem, are you suggesting that it is a user error or a fault in how they use the iPhone? I don't get the reasoning behind you trying to argue that not all iPhones have lag.
 
macfacts said:
Now we agree that at least one out of millions is having stuttering problems.

Do you also agree that apps are sandboxed and that Apple controls the hardware and software?

Also, by claiming that not all iPhones have the problem, are you suggesting that it is a user error or a fault in how they use the iPhone? I don't get the reasoning behind you trying to argue that not all iPhones have lag.
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Is the implication there that all devices suffer from all the same issues to the same degree?
 
Radon87000 said:
On a clean install yes.
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So when someone says it takes them in the order of 30 seconds to open apps even after reinstalls supposedly that means it's like that for others as well, including those who have the same decide and don't see delays that come even close to something of that magnitude?
 
macfacts said:
Now we agree that at least one out of millions is having stuttering problems.

Do you also agree that apps are sandboxed and that Apple controls the hardware and software?

Also, by claiming that not all iPhones have the problem, are you suggesting that it is a user error or a fault in how they use the iPhone? I don't get the reasoning behind you trying to argue that not all iPhones have lag.
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don't be absurd. we don't all run the same hardware, the same apps. even the same iphone can have variances in some parts, or how it behaves. if even 2 people don't have the problem, it's not ALL iphones. this is simple logic.

this is a thread about the SE. are you posting on the right thread? anyway, my SE is killing it...
 
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