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iPad Activation Lock bypass?
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Well if you're looking for anymore phone criminals, this thread is a good place to start.
Apple can do it
There's no doubt Apple can undo an activation lock if it has access to the device. Indeed it may be as simple as reprogramming its servers to respond "ok" for that particular serial#. Anyway, with access to the device, it's presumably just a matter of re-flashing its memory to a factory-issue state and, if that doesn't include a new serial number, resetting the servers for that #. Or, if you need the data in the device a detailed knowledge of the OS should enable you to make it forget the lost code. Etc, etc, many permutations of the possible can get to the desired result. So, if Apple won't do this for folks who can prove their ownership it's because it chooses not to. The fanboys will think that's fine. Me, not so much.
There's no doubt Apple can undo an activation lock if it has access to the device. Indeed it may be as simple as reprogramming its servers to respond "ok" for that particular serial#. Anyway, with access to the device, it's presumably just a matter of re-flashing its memory to a factory-issue state and, if that doesn't include a new serial number, resetting the servers for that #. Or, if you need the data in the device a detailed knowledge of the OS should enable you to make it forget the lost code. Etc, etc, many permutations of the possible can get to the desired result. So, if Apple won't do this for folks who can prove their ownership it's because it chooses not to. The fanboys will think that's fine. Me, not so much.
re: activations
To follow up on my last experience with this?
I was able to escalate the issue via AppleCare, by phone, to someone who sent me a special email I had to fill out like a form, providing all the pertinent information. Then a couple days later, they unlocked the iPad for us.
So I can say that yes, Apple WILL unlock these devices for people who can prove ownership. But the process is time consuming and cumbersome, especially when you're doing this for corporate devices. (My sales rep. who originally sold it to us had to go talk to HIS manager, just to get access to generate an individual invoice for it, as the initial purchase was part of an order of about 50 devices. The receipt he had access to didn't break them all down by individual serial number.)
To follow up on my last experience with this?
I was able to escalate the issue via AppleCare, by phone, to someone who sent me a special email I had to fill out like a form, providing all the pertinent information. Then a couple days later, they unlocked the iPad for us.
So I can say that yes, Apple WILL unlock these devices for people who can prove ownership. But the process is time consuming and cumbersome, especially when you're doing this for corporate devices. (My sales rep. who originally sold it to us had to go talk to HIS manager, just to get access to generate an individual invoice for it, as the initial purchase was part of an order of about 50 devices. The receipt he had access to didn't break them all down by individual serial number.)
If you provide apple with your purchase details they will unlock a device that is company owned. I have done this at the company I work with for an iPhone that a termed employee didn't disable Find my iPhone. It took a phone call to apple, and they emailed me a form to fill out. I emailed the completed form back to them, along with proof of purchase from Verizon and a few days later the phone was unlocked.
Ive never try but i remember that in a forum people were doing it or at least caim you can bypass activation lock in all iphones pre 5s and all ipads and at no cost, apperently its not always "online"
Link : http://doulci.net
Link : http://doulci.net
Any help Joanna1990?
I also bought a used iPad of which I'm trying to bypass the activation. I followed your directions to the point where I clicked on most of the download clouds, turned the screen off, then turned the screen back on. The screen did not proceed to shut off, and I waited until it shut off due to inactivity, but no home screen has been reached. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
I also bought a used iPad of which I'm trying to bypass the activation. I followed your directions to the point where I clicked on most of the download clouds, turned the screen off, then turned the screen back on. The screen did not proceed to shut off, and I waited until it shut off due to inactivity, but no home screen has been reached. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
B.s.
That manager deserves a raise!
Apple retail survived despite all the predictions it would massively fail, only because Steve Jobs demanded the stores provide a superior shopping experience, complete with "service after the sale" and no pushy commissioned sales staff.
One of the things that keeps customers coming back and recommending Apple to their friends and relatives is the company's willingness to bend the rules a bit, and in other cases, not to make hard and fast rules at all, so there's some flexibility and agility in the system.
Example? Back when LCD displays were the new, "in" thing to buy -- everyone had concerns about bad pixels. The question was always, "How many bad pixels do you consider acceptable before you'll let me do an exchange over it?" Everyone from Dell to HP to Toshiba had some sort of rule. Apple was almost the sole exception. They refused to ever quote a number of bad pixels.... simply stating instead that, "We'll review those situations on a case by case basis." In reality, that meant pro photographers, videographers and artists for whom even 1 bad pixel presented a problem were able to get a replacement display, in most situations. Maybe not ALWAYS, but at least they could argue their case at the retail store and the store manager COULD swap it out without some strict rule in place getting him/her in trouble for doing so.
The times when Apple alienates customers are almost always when some rule is laid down at the corporate level, giving no leeway to address a concern. (EG. Product recalls that don't cover more than a specific range of serial numbers, despite other identical systems having the same defect but a serial number just shy of the covered range.)
That manager deserves a raise!
Apple retail survived despite all the predictions it would massively fail, only because Steve Jobs demanded the stores provide a superior shopping experience, complete with "service after the sale" and no pushy commissioned sales staff.
One of the things that keeps customers coming back and recommending Apple to their friends and relatives is the company's willingness to bend the rules a bit, and in other cases, not to make hard and fast rules at all, so there's some flexibility and agility in the system.
Example? Back when LCD displays were the new, "in" thing to buy -- everyone had concerns about bad pixels. The question was always, "How many bad pixels do you consider acceptable before you'll let me do an exchange over it?" Everyone from Dell to HP to Toshiba had some sort of rule. Apple was almost the sole exception. They refused to ever quote a number of bad pixels.... simply stating instead that, "We'll review those situations on a case by case basis." In reality, that meant pro photographers, videographers and artists for whom even 1 bad pixel presented a problem were able to get a replacement display, in most situations. Maybe not ALWAYS, but at least they could argue their case at the retail store and the store manager COULD swap it out without some strict rule in place getting him/her in trouble for doing so.
The times when Apple alienates customers are almost always when some rule is laid down at the corporate level, giving no leeway to address a concern. (EG. Product recalls that don't cover more than a specific range of serial numbers, despite other identical systems having the same defect but a serial number just shy of the covered range.)
Service has nothing to do with security. The iPad was "allegedly" won yet it had someone's iCloud account logged in and Find My iPad turned on. There's no way a brand new iPad came with someone's iCloud details already with the iPad. So if what they were really given was a used iPad, the reasonable thing would be to bring it up to whomever he received it from to put in the password. The previous owner shouldn't have a problem with that because it was "won" right? And that manager has no right to unlock other people's iPads so that someone else can benefit from their loss. It's a security issue, plain and simple.
No.... still have to disagree ....
The Apple store manager or staff shouldn't be expected to act as gatekeepers or police -- making assumptions that customers must be lying about a need for a device reset.
Plenty of places do product giveaways with products that aren't really brand new, as in sealed in a box that was never opened. Many of our area car dealers, for example, will give away an iPad or iPad mini with the purchase of a new car or truck as a "free bonus". I'm sure it's been known to happen that a salesperson opened one of those "new" iPad boxes and tinkered around with the device before wiping the fingerprints off and putting it back, to give it away.
The general opinion is that if you won it in a giveaway or contest, you're not really in any position to care or complain if someone actually used/handled it a little bit first.
In your example, sure .... the winner could go back to where they got it and ask about the iCloud account on it. But there's a really good chance whoever put it on there wasn't going to fess up to doing it (not wanting to get in trouble for using the contest giveaway device). And there's just as good a chance that whoever did it wasn't around when the winner inquired about it -- so everyone else involved really doesn't know the password to unlock it.
All I'm saying is, sure -- this *might* constitute a "security issue", but it CERTAINLY constitutes good customer service (assisting the user with issues making the device in their possession work for them). If the person really made the whole story up about an iPad he/she stole? Then that's on his/her conscience, and Apple could still note the serial number and collect the person's driver's license or other I.D. -- in case it came up later.
The Apple store manager or staff shouldn't be expected to act as gatekeepers or police -- making assumptions that customers must be lying about a need for a device reset.
Plenty of places do product giveaways with products that aren't really brand new, as in sealed in a box that was never opened. Many of our area car dealers, for example, will give away an iPad or iPad mini with the purchase of a new car or truck as a "free bonus". I'm sure it's been known to happen that a salesperson opened one of those "new" iPad boxes and tinkered around with the device before wiping the fingerprints off and putting it back, to give it away.
The general opinion is that if you won it in a giveaway or contest, you're not really in any position to care or complain if someone actually used/handled it a little bit first.
In your example, sure .... the winner could go back to where they got it and ask about the iCloud account on it. But there's a really good chance whoever put it on there wasn't going to fess up to doing it (not wanting to get in trouble for using the contest giveaway device). And there's just as good a chance that whoever did it wasn't around when the winner inquired about it -- so everyone else involved really doesn't know the password to unlock it.
All I'm saying is, sure -- this *might* constitute a "security issue", but it CERTAINLY constitutes good customer service (assisting the user with issues making the device in their possession work for them). If the person really made the whole story up about an iPad he/she stole? Then that's on his/her conscience, and Apple could still note the serial number and collect the person's driver's license or other I.D. -- in case it came up later.
If the managers do have the ability to unlock devices then yes, they should be expected to act like "gatekeepers". If not, then what the hell is the point to having activation lock in the first place if anyone can just unlock a stolen device by just asking without any proof of ownership...!?
That's a horrible excuse! If you won a free iPad and someone "tinkered" with it before you actually get to use it I wouldn't want the device at all, even if it's free! For all you know, they could have setup the device to be tracked with Find my iPad! It's not Apple's fault it was opened up already, it's the dealerships fault!
The fact they would get in trouble if they did find out makes it obvious it was wrong to do in the first place!!!
Your logic is mind blowing and irrational. I hope you never become responsible for people's security. Your priorities are clearly out of place when it comes to privacy. And I say this without meaning any offense. That is just the truth of it.
We'll clearly have to agree to disagree, but ....
It's like practically ALL forms of security; just a deterrent! Most people who knowingly steal devices like iPhones or iPads aren't going to keep making Genius Bar appointments to get them unlocked! And as I pointed out, there's nothing wrong with the store collecting the person's information at the time they agree to do an unlock. Then, the authorities have evidence to make an arrest if need-be. And furthermore, they could stop the obvious fraudulent activations when the same person keeps coming in, trying to unlock 6 devices in a week.....
I never said I was much of a fan of the whole activation lock thing to begin with. I think we got by just fine for years without it ... and now it adds another layer of complexity to anyone wanting to resell or give a device to somebody else. If Apple wants to do this, I think it should definitely be done where they err on the side of trusting the person requesting the unlock, unless something is blatantly wrong.
It's a LOT like the CD keys Microsoft has on software. You're only supposed to get one shot at activating a product like a copy of Windows 7 or 8 ... yet there's an automated phone based process where anyone can call in to reset the activation to work on another install. You have to answer a couple of questions properly (telling them you only have it installed on 1 PC and what-not), but essentially, Microsoft trusts you're not trying to pirate it and lets you do the re-activation. Still, it's a deterrent to mass piracy because it slows down the would-be pirate and makes people worry about leaving a trail behind if they're calling in many times to do this repeatedly.
It's like practically ALL forms of security; just a deterrent! Most people who knowingly steal devices like iPhones or iPads aren't going to keep making Genius Bar appointments to get them unlocked! And as I pointed out, there's nothing wrong with the store collecting the person's information at the time they agree to do an unlock. Then, the authorities have evidence to make an arrest if need-be. And furthermore, they could stop the obvious fraudulent activations when the same person keeps coming in, trying to unlock 6 devices in a week.....
I never said I was much of a fan of the whole activation lock thing to begin with. I think we got by just fine for years without it ... and now it adds another layer of complexity to anyone wanting to resell or give a device to somebody else. If Apple wants to do this, I think it should definitely be done where they err on the side of trusting the person requesting the unlock, unless something is blatantly wrong.
It's a LOT like the CD keys Microsoft has on software. You're only supposed to get one shot at activating a product like a copy of Windows 7 or 8 ... yet there's an automated phone based process where anyone can call in to reset the activation to work on another install. You have to answer a couple of questions properly (telling them you only have it installed on 1 PC and what-not), but essentially, Microsoft trusts you're not trying to pirate it and lets you do the re-activation. Still, it's a deterrent to mass piracy because it slows down the would-be pirate and makes people worry about leaving a trail behind if they're calling in many times to do this repeatedly.
Should not have any crack the activation unlock screen!
If the sale was legit, then I doubt he wouldn't have the activation details . It's most likely stolen. You should do - be nice, contact apple or apple store, and ask if they can trace the original owner to give them back their iPad. You should put yourself in their shoe to see when you got your ipad stolen? how do you feel? not about the ipad but anything you bought and own them then you lost them? I knew since I also lost my new Ipad Air 128 gig WiFi-Cell in the airplane ( Jetblue Buffalo, NY) until now can not be found. I did not have a chance to sign up with the Cell provider yet. If I did. I will be able to trach down. But I set and lock down the ipad. and wish that person whoever got my Ipad will return it back to me since I saved up money to buy it.
If the sale was legit, then I doubt he wouldn't have the activation details . It's most likely stolen. You should do - be nice, contact apple or apple store, and ask if they can trace the original owner to give them back their iPad. You should put yourself in their shoe to see when you got your ipad stolen? how do you feel? not about the ipad but anything you bought and own them then you lost them? I knew since I also lost my new Ipad Air 128 gig WiFi-Cell in the airplane ( Jetblue Buffalo, NY) until now can not be found. I did not have a chance to sign up with the Cell provider yet. If I did. I will be able to trach down. But I set and lock down the ipad. and wish that person whoever got my Ipad will return it back to me since I saved up money to buy it.
Apple won't do it even if you can prove ownership.
Why?
It would add a whole new element of fraud that Apple would have to try and address: ID theft. Not only is the current model easy for them (because they can just say no), it allows them to not have to look at a handwritten, on the back of an Arby's napkin, transfer of ownership that may or may not be real...
Original owners? Dead Family Members? Employees?
If they started unlocking for "special circumstances" think about the potential for abuse. Just be honest, because you know as well as I do that all of a sudden everyone would become an "administrator for their tech department that had a disgruntled employee refuse to unlock the device" or have a dearly departed son that "died tragically with a locked iPad that held the only copies of treasured memories...".
All of a sudden there would be lines of people with "valid" and "heartwrenching" stories. And what would Apple do? Unlock everyone? Turn some people away?
WAY too much hassle.
Here's a simple idea: Don't buy a locked device. If you do, you learn a lesson. If you buy a device unlocked and lock it yourself, REMEMBER your credentials. If you forget, you learn another lesson.
Are there extreme cases? I'm sure there are. It still doesn't mean Apple is being anything but practical in denying the unlock. I know for a fact that they do, on very rare occasions, unlock devices for family in the event of deaths (after verifying the facts, doing a lot of research, etc.) but it would be too easy to fake a death certificate and newspaper article (ones that wont be under any scrutiny beyond a "genius" especially) for them to do it in store.
And I seriously doubt that a "manager" would unlock an iPad in store with nothing more than a sad story. Could it happen? Sure. I could walk out my front door and get hit by lightning WHILE getting mauled by a tiger... It COULD happen. It won't... but it could =).
It's easy to claim things that can't be proven. The same exact reason Apple won't be unlocking devices anytime soon.
And good for them! Anyone that says it isn't helping the rampant theft problem is either a reseller or sitting on a locked device themself. Everyone else thinks it's a FABULOUS idea, and kudos to Apple for actually ENFORCING it. It's nice to know that if I lose my device some lowlife won't be able to go in, claim I was his brother that died in a boating accident, and have them unlock my phone.
The system will always have flaws, but I am glad there IS a system vs. none at all.
Why?
It would add a whole new element of fraud that Apple would have to try and address: ID theft. Not only is the current model easy for them (because they can just say no), it allows them to not have to look at a handwritten, on the back of an Arby's napkin, transfer of ownership that may or may not be real...
Original owners? Dead Family Members? Employees?
If they started unlocking for "special circumstances" think about the potential for abuse. Just be honest, because you know as well as I do that all of a sudden everyone would become an "administrator for their tech department that had a disgruntled employee refuse to unlock the device" or have a dearly departed son that "died tragically with a locked iPad that held the only copies of treasured memories...".
All of a sudden there would be lines of people with "valid" and "heartwrenching" stories. And what would Apple do? Unlock everyone? Turn some people away?
WAY too much hassle.
Here's a simple idea: Don't buy a locked device. If you do, you learn a lesson. If you buy a device unlocked and lock it yourself, REMEMBER your credentials. If you forget, you learn another lesson.
Are there extreme cases? I'm sure there are. It still doesn't mean Apple is being anything but practical in denying the unlock. I know for a fact that they do, on very rare occasions, unlock devices for family in the event of deaths (after verifying the facts, doing a lot of research, etc.) but it would be too easy to fake a death certificate and newspaper article (ones that wont be under any scrutiny beyond a "genius" especially) for them to do it in store.
And I seriously doubt that a "manager" would unlock an iPad in store with nothing more than a sad story. Could it happen? Sure. I could walk out my front door and get hit by lightning WHILE getting mauled by a tiger... It COULD happen. It won't... but it could =).
It's easy to claim things that can't be proven. The same exact reason Apple won't be unlocking devices anytime soon.
And good for them! Anyone that says it isn't helping the rampant theft problem is either a reseller or sitting on a locked device themself. Everyone else thinks it's a FABULOUS idea, and kudos to Apple for actually ENFORCING it. It's nice to know that if I lose my device some lowlife won't be able to go in, claim I was his brother that died in a boating accident, and have them unlock my phone.
The system will always have flaws, but I am glad there IS a system vs. none at all.
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I beg to diff, Tyler23... Yes it is possible, in a few methods actually.
ANY software can be manipulated.
I beg to diff, Tyler23... Yes it is possible, in a few methods actually.
ANY software can be manipulated.
You can believe whatever you want.
I do believe it, as I've successfully accomplished it. If you know what you're doing, it's a piece of cake.
I do believe it, as I've successfully accomplished it. If you know what you're doing, it's a piece of cake.
Right..you're awfully boastful. I doubt you have proof. Seems strange that these are your only posts here.
Enjoy your stolen iPhones.
Bypassing activation lock is impossible. And it will remain impossible in my mind until I am able to bypass activation lock on my own devices.. which thus far has proven futile. Some people fail to realize that activation lock is not just something that concerns each individual iPhone, Apple servers are involved as well.
Videos can be faked, people can lie in blogs, there are a lot of scammers out there after your money.. never believe everything you see on the internet without researching the situation.
Videos can be faked, people can lie in blogs, there are a lot of scammers out there after your money.. never believe everything you see on the internet without researching the situation.
Seems like a spammer/scammer brought this thread back up from the dead essentially earlier.
And just exactly how is he getting what appears to be a cursor on that iPhone? That iPhone is clearly jailbroken and/or a developer iPhone.. which would land that video squarely in the land of "special circumstances". Clearly not available to everyone.
Disclaimer: I'm deaf and cannot hear what is being said in that video, so you'll have to forgive me if this post is in error.
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Thank you for that.. I've removed the URL from the quote above.
[doublepost=1464660613][/doublepost]Hello,
What is the name on the iPad please? We lost one around that time frame & just now came across this.
Thanks!
Jason & Abbie
I apologize for posting in such an old thread, but the topic is on-point for my question. I know absolutely nothing about the Apple world, so please forgive my naivety. A friend of mine has recently lost a loved one in a personal tragedy, a suicide. As part of their normal investigation, the police took the deceased person's iPhone, but they were not interested in the young man's iPad, which he pretty much lived on. Basically, it doesn't appear that anything criminal or illegal was going on, but the family is highly motivated to see the iPad and what he might have been saying. This is one of those "He was such a great kid and had everything going for him" situations that shocks everyone involved, but it doesn't involve drugs or national security or the like, so it looks like any investigation of the contents of this iPad will have to be done privately. I think that the iTunes account on the iPad is shared between the family, so the password for that is known. The iCloud password is probably also known. He ran iTunes on a PC, not a Mac.
So in short, I am hoping someone can help direct me to any way to bypass the numeric password on the iPad. It has not been disabled, we have not tried to guess it at all. Hopefully his iPad data is backed up on iCloud or iTunes somehow. His laptop may also have information on the drive, I am going to remove the 2.5" drive from his laptop and insert it into an enclosure and mirror it before scraping it for passwords and information, but asking you guru Apple folk if there is an easy way seemed like a good start. BTW I've seen the various hardware devices designed to break entry passcodes on iPhones and interrupting the power to prevent device lockout - I will purchase one of those, if need be, if there is a model that will function on the iPad. While I would not be pleased giving money to the kind of people who build devices that essentially facilitate theft, I will swallow my pride and do it if it will help give my friends - two very devastated parents - some kind of peace.
Thanks for any direction or assistance.
So in short, I am hoping someone can help direct me to any way to bypass the numeric password on the iPad. It has not been disabled, we have not tried to guess it at all. Hopefully his iPad data is backed up on iCloud or iTunes somehow. His laptop may also have information on the drive, I am going to remove the 2.5" drive from his laptop and insert it into an enclosure and mirror it before scraping it for passwords and information, but asking you guru Apple folk if there is an easy way seemed like a good start. BTW I've seen the various hardware devices designed to break entry passcodes on iPhones and interrupting the power to prevent device lockout - I will purchase one of those, if need be, if there is a model that will function on the iPad. While I would not be pleased giving money to the kind of people who build devices that essentially facilitate theft, I will swallow my pride and do it if it will help give my friends - two very devastated parents - some kind of peace.
Thanks for any direction or assistance.