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64GB is going to be slower than 128GB. Also, limited writes. 64GB has 1/2 the lifespan of 128GB in terms of writes. Not to mention at 64GB, a lot of users would probably find it annoying that the remaining ~40GB available (after system+other) would be further decreased due to swap.
Not necessarily, they can use less dense NAND chips for that & the performance will be virtually the same.

The free space is more critical than the total space, 64GB storage with 40 GB free will wear out the NAND at a slower rate than another device with 128GB storage but only say 20GB free space on it.
 
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rui no onna

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Not necessarily, they can use less dense NAND chips for that & the performance will be virtually the same.

The free space is more critical than the total space, 64GB storage with 40 GB free will wear out the NAND at a slower rate than another device with 128GB storage but only say 20GB free space on it.

They can but those tend to be more expensive so I doubt it.

Yes free space is important. I try to keep 20% free. However, chances are the 128GB will have more free space than the 64GB.

Not quite the Air 5 but here's a comparison of the 64GB and 256GB mini 6. There's only 20GB free space on the 64GB which likely makes the results a lot worse compared to the 256GB which has 158GB free.
 

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Homme

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iPad Air 5 M1 256 is more powerful than the iPad Pro M1 128… So - imo - no, Air is the better device.
Pro is just nice to have, but Air has Virtual Swap - with up to 128 gigs of memory 😉

they both have M1 and also iPad Pro has 16GB of RAM on the 1 and 2 TB Models compared to 8GB on the Air 5, how does this make the Air Powerful 🤔😊
 

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seems that you also get a faster SSD with Air5 256 vs M1Pro128, so - clearly more powerfull option - will work faster - especialy with the new virtual swap
Sure, I think you can say that the 256GB Air will be a bit faster than the 128GB Pro due to the drive, but when compared to the 256GB Pro they will be the same. The question is how much faster will it be in real world use.
 
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The pro is worth it for these features alone:

-ProMotion display
-4 Speakers
-Sturdier build
-More storage

If you can afford it, you really should get the Pro
 

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The pro is worth it for these features alone:

-ProMotion display
-4 Speakers
-Sturdier build
-More storage

If you can afford it, you really should get the Pro

I have the Air 4 and 2021 Pro 11. I don't find the Pro any sturdier than the Air.

Also, in this particular case, the Air has more storage at similar price point ($749 256GB Air 5 vs $799 128GB Pro 11).
 

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I have the Air 4 and 2021 Pro 11. I don't find the Pro any sturdier than the Air.

Also, in this particular case, the Air has more storage at similar price point ($749 256GB Air 5 vs $799 128GB Pro 11).
Is this thread not about the Air 5??

I bought the Air 5 and it creaked, the display distorted with light touches and it just felt cheap. I went 11" M1 Pro. The Air 5 build quality is well documented on this forum.
 

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Is this thread not about the Air 5??

I bought the Air 5 and it creaked, the display distorted with light touches and it just felt cheap. I went 11" M1 Pro. The Air 5 build quality is well documented on this forum.
I have an Air 5 and an 11” 2021 Pro here and do not notice any difference in build quality between the two. There’s no creaking and no screen distortion unless I press really hard on either device.
 

rui no onna

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Is this thread not about the Air 5??

I bought the Air 5 and it creaked, the display distorted with light touches and it just felt cheap. I went 11" M1 Pro. The Air 5 build quality is well documented on this forum.

I've seen similar complaints about the Air 4. Given I have no issues with mine, I usually chalk it down to manufacturing variations. I'm betting you can find quality complaints about the Pro 11, too, if you search for it.
 

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Sure, I think you can say that the 256GB Air will be a bit faster than the 128GB Pro due to the drive, but when compared to the 256GB Pro they will be the same. The question is how much faster will it be in real world use.
thus - Air256 is the real powerfull device, and iPadPro128 is just nice to have
both are good devices, but if you want power - go for the Air,
as it is superior in the mentioned example
 
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The pro is worth it for these features alone:

-ProMotion display
-4 Speakers
-Sturdier build
-More storage

If you can afford it, you really should get the Pro
I disagree. those are just nice to have, but not powerfull.. for fast operation in that cost bracket - air is the clear superior device! It was shown to be up to 10x faster in certain cases

Not gonna make much of a difference for normal operation.
what are you basin this opinion on? I’d vage that it will since, your 128gigs ipad will be also more full, than your 265 air, so, the disk performance is bound to be up to 10x faster with the air, by your own account
 
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thus - Air256 is the real powerfull device, and iPadPro128 is just nice to have
both are good devices, but if you want power - go for the Air,
as it is superior in the mentioned example
It is superior in that example, however if you use your iPad for artwork, photos, and videos then the Pro is the superior iPad due to its clearly better screen. Or you get the iPad Pro 256 to have the faster drive and better screen.
 

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It is superior in that example, however if you use your iPad for artwork, photos, and videos then the Pro is the superior iPad due to its clearly better screen. Or you get the iPad Pro 256 to have the faster drive and better screen.
no it doesnt its barely noticable, and only works with hdr blacks. besides air has an amazing screen as well.
but, thats beside the point, both devices are amazing tablets. if you want power go for the air, if you want nice to have added stuff go for the pro. either way you will be happy
 

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I disagree. those are just nice to have, but not powerfull.. for fast operation in that cost bracket - air is the clear superior device! It was shown to be up to 10x faster in certain cases


what are you basin this opinion on? I’d vage that it will since, your 128gigs ipad will be also more full, than your 265 air, so, the disk performance is bound to be up to 10x faster with the air, by your own account


We have both iPhone 7 32GB and 256GB in the household and for day-to-day use, there's no difference between the two.


Also, SSD usage on desktops and laptops with same model SSDs of differing capacities. Sure, there's a noticeable difference when you're reading/writing large multi-GB files. Not so much for normal tasks (web browsing, office, launching apps, etc).

Indeed, while there's a huge difference between HDDs and SSDs for operating system and programs, the difference is less pronounced even between SATA3 and NVMe SSDs.

Where did you even get the 10x difference from? Both Air 5 and 2021 Pro 11 are M1 so same SSD controller. At best, the 256GB Air 5 would only have ~2x sequential throughput of the 128GB Pro 11. The results of the 64GB A15 mini 6 don't apply to the 128GB M1 Pro 11 which has both a faster storage controller and faster NAND.

Consider this, when you're writing 5MB, will you notice the difference between 0.005 and 0.05 seconds?
 
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darngooddesign

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no it doesnt its barely noticable, and only works with hdr blacks. besides air has an amazing screen as well.
but, thats beside the point, both devices are amazing tablets. if you want power go for the air, if you want nice to have added stuff go for the pro. either way you will be happy
I'm talking about the refresh rate which is noticeable when illustrating. So both the Air and Pro have tangible performance differences, just depends on which you prioritize. If you want the best of all things get the 256GB Pro.
 

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Consider this, when you're writing 5MB, will you notice the difference between 0.005 and 0.05 seconds?

I think you meant to write 16Gigs - Per App - every few seconds, using Virtual Swap.

What are we debating here? If you want power get the air, if you want added niceties go for the pro. Its pretty empiric
 

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I'm talking about the refresh rate which is noticeable when illustrating. So both the Air and Pro have tangible performance differences, just depends on which you prioritize. If you want the best of all things get the 256GB Pro.
or 512.

me personally I would go for 256 iPad Air 5, and than 512 M1 Pro. imo 256 pro is not worth it, and air is a better deal. so much so when compared to the 128pro Theres also the 16gigs option, which is way too expensive, although nice if you have money to burn
 

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or 512.

me personally I would go for 256 iPad Air 5, and than 512 M1 Pro. imo 256 pro is not worth it, and air is a better deal. so much so when compared to the 128pro Theres also the 16gigs option, which is way too expensive, although nice if you have money to burn
The 256 Pro is worth it if you want enough drive capacity, speed, and the best 11" screen.

Otherwise.

1. If you value low price, drive capacity, speed get the 256GB Air

2. If you value the better screen for illustrating and speakers get the 128GB Pro.

Neither 1 or 2 are better, it just depends on your needs.

Of course the 128GB Pro has Thunderbolt/USB4 instead of regular USB-C which means the 128 Pro is superior when connecting to external displays.
 
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