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ericwn

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omg hard to have a conversation when you dont get it...the problems is with the build of the exterior not the interior...did you read the articles or just faked it and not very well..wow

Well you were asking for “specs” just after a post that mentioned some of them. The quality of the question has a lot to do with the quality of the answers sometimes.

But I agree, once we have proper journalists writing on the topic and not phone sites cooking up third hand information clickbait without any further thought of their own, it may become worthwhile to read some articles on the topic.
 

lyunmac

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Seems like not all Airs have this flex. I went to the Apple Store to check it out and couldn't feel any creak when I held it. Definitely must be a bad batch but who knows if Apple will admit to it. I had the 10.5pro with the white spot but I don't think Apple never acknowledged it despite the thread on this forum regarding the issue where many have voiced their frustration.
 

jsmith1

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Seems like not all Airs have this flex. I went to the Apple Store to check it out and couldn't feel any creak when I held it. Definitely must be a bad batch but who knows if Apple will admit to it. I had the 10.5pro with the white spot but I don't think Apple never acknowledged it despite the thread on this forum regarding the issue where many have voiced their frustration.
thnx for the info, i have a 10.5 and its time to upgrade, hoping to make it to end of year for even more choices
 

Mocha314

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Sep 26, 2021
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omg hard to have a conversation when you dont get it...the problems is with the build of the exterior not the interior...did you read the articles or just faked it and not very well..wow
Oh trust me, I read the articles. The Air 5 has the same durable build as the Air 4. Did you look at the thing before trying to accuse me of not comprehending your question? It’s not like this thing has bendgate or something.
 
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PsykX

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I don't see the point of this thread. Not every product is meant for people to upgrade every year.
This new iPad Air is a very compelling product in fact, very close to the iPad Pro.

The only thing is it starts with only 64GB, but other than that... pretty perfect product for the price, to be honest.
Also, Pro Motion, but the iPad Pro needs a little something to differentiate it.
 

Richard8655

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Ok was just checking as I might get one if this 10.5 bites the bullet anytime soon.

So I was checking them out and ran across this so, glad hearing it’s ok


I'd also think that Apple would likely not make any exterior (case) changes, but it wouldn't surprise me. After all, the goal has always been thinner/lighter hence the Air name. Possibly now even thinner as reported, but I'd think as strong.
 
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PrettyWings

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iPad Air got the forbidden M1 chip but not without creakgate. Power of Mac stolen for iPad, not without consequences.
 

kc9hzn

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iPad Air got the forbidden M1 chip but not without creakgate. Power of Mac stolen for iPad, not without consequences.
Please, for the love of absolutely anything, can we evolve as a species and move away from calling any scandal or stir up with names ending in -gate? It turns out that an increasing number of people either don’t know about Watergate or don’t even understand what the -gate suffix means, thinking it’s a random suffix to put on the end of any 1 bit scandal (not even worth 2 bits!), no matter how ginned up it is. (-gate is also pretty US centric, so it loses that connection to Watergate outside of the US.) Of course, though, the biggest complaint about -gate is that it’s the laziest naming convention in the world.

If you want an alternative, perhaps we could take a lesson from the German language? In Europe in 2013, there was a scandal where meat that was sold as beef was identified as containing horse DNA (and some pig DNA). In German, this scandal was called “Pferdefleischskandal”, a German compound word literally meaning “horse flesh scandal”. It even has the word “scandal” in it, whereas the etymology of “-gate” is completely lost unless you know about Watergate. (Keep in mind that Watergate was 50 years ago, today’s retirees were likely not even in the workforce yet when Watergate happened. It’s only a matter of time until Watergate is no longer a living memory.)

Besides, what’s Apple supposed to do? Design an A15X chip just for the iPad Air that would be fairly identical in performance to an underclocked M1? Using what’s already available is far more economical than making custom processors for every product in Apple’s product range. This is why the full sized HomePod used an A8, the Apple TV uses A series chips, and the Studio Display uses an A13 Bionic chip.
 

ericwn

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Apr 24, 2016
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Im holding off for now till more info comes out, these are to expensive to be flawed

Luckily Apple and plenty others offer two weeks return policy so everyone gets a chance to make their own experience.
 

PrettyWings

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Please, for the love of absolutely anything, can we evolve as a species and move away from calling any scandal or stir up with names ending in -gate? It turns out that an increasing number of people either don’t know about Watergate or don’t even understand what the -gate suffix means, thinking it’s a random suffix to put on the end of any 1 bit scandal (not even worth 2 bits!), no matter how ginned up it is. (-gate is also pretty US centric, so it loses that connection to Watergate outside of the US.) Of course, though, the biggest complaint about -gate is that it’s the laziest naming convention in the world.

If you want an alternative, perhaps we could take a lesson from the German language? In Europe in 2013, there was a scandal where meat that was sold as beef was identified as containing horse DNA (and some pig DNA). In German, this scandal was called “Pferdefleischskandal”, a German compound word literally meaning “horse flesh scandal”. It even has the word “scandal” in it, whereas the etymology of “-gate” is completely lost unless you know about Watergate. (Keep in mind that Watergate was 50 years ago, today’s retirees were likely not even in the workforce yet when Watergate happened. It’s only a matter of time until Watergate is no longer a living memory.)

I was born several decades after it happened. I still know what it is. It's an important part of American history and we're talking about an American product here. It fits like hand in glove.



Besides, what’s Apple supposed to do? Design an A15X chip just for the iPad Air that would be fairly identical in performance to an underclocked M1? Using what’s already available is far more economical than making custom processors for every product in Apple’s product range. This is why the full sized HomePod used an A8, the Apple TV uses A series chips, and the Studio Display uses an A13 Bionic chip.


How about not release a product that makes their customers wonder whether Apple did any QA?
 

Richard8655

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Please, for the love of absolutely anything, can we evolve as a species and move away from calling any scandal or stir up with names ending in -gate? It turns out that an increasing number of people either don’t know about Watergate or don’t even understand what the -gate suffix means, thinking it’s a random suffix to put on the end of any 1 bit scandal (not even worth 2 bits!), no matter how ginned up it is. (-gate is also pretty US centric, so it loses that connection to Watergate outside of the US.) Of course, though, the biggest complaint about -gate is that it’s the laziest naming convention in the world.

If you want an alternative, perhaps we could take a lesson from the German language? In Europe in 2013, there was a scandal where meat that was sold as beef was identified as containing horse DNA (and some pig DNA). In German, this scandal was called “Pferdefleischskandal”, a German compound word literally meaning “horse flesh scandal”. It even has the word “scandal” in it, whereas the etymology of “-gate” is completely lost unless you know about Watergate. (Keep in mind that Watergate was 50 years ago, today’s retirees were likely not even in the workforce yet when Watergate happened. It’s only a matter of time until Watergate is no longer a living memory.)

Besides, what’s Apple supposed to do? Design an A15X chip just for the iPad Air that would be fairly identical in performance to an underclocked M1? Using what’s already available is far more economical than making custom processors for every product in Apple’s product range. This is why the full sized HomePod used an A8, the Apple TV uses A series chips, and the Studio Display uses an A13 Bionic chip.
I also don't understand the point of this rant and lecture though history and semantics. The issue addresses an alarming number of reports about and experiences with the new model. Whether it turns out to be prevalent or not, perfectly valid to raise and question. iPads are certainly not cheap and should be scrutinized on every level.
 

ericwn

macrumors G5
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I also don't understand the point of this rant and lecture though history and semantics. The issue addresses an alarming number of reports about and experiences with the new model. Whether it turns out to be prevalent or not, perfectly valid to raise and question. iPads are certainly not cheap and should be scrutinized on every level.

I took the time to read at least the first half of the 400 posts on Reddit that MR used to punch out an article about. In there I found way more unrelated comments on the build quality of other Apple products than actual user reports who had even a minute of exposure to the Air 5.

To extrapolate a wide spread issue or make any gate type names up is adding drama instead of facts. Apple will sell millions of these- three dozen negative comments from people claiming to have knowledge on the internet is unlikely to change that.

The original thread btw had an equal amount of people saying they were not having the claimed build quality issue.

Which brings us back to the return period. Send the thing back if you’re not liking it and vote with your wallet - luckily there’s three additional product lines of iPads to chose from, plus potentially Air 4 sell-outs if anyone still has stock of them.
 

kc9hzn

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I also don't understand the point of this rant and lecture though history and semantics. The issue addresses an alarming number of reports about and experiences with the new model. Whether it turns out to be prevalent or not, perfectly valid to raise and question. iPads are certainly not cheap and should be scrutinized on every level.
I just absolutely hate the term “creakgate” or any “-gate”.

It’s a personal pet peeve when people label scandals with names ending in -gate. Most of them are nowhere near the significance of Watergate (most are just news cycle filler, which weakens the impact of Watergate if you’re only familiar with the modern usage of -gate), and scandals as significant as Watergate generally don’t need a gate name to secure a place in the news cycle. Plus, as living memory dies and new people are born, history is lost*, and it’s hard to preserve a memory of history, especially near-history**. So Watergate is at risk of being forgotten (except for the broad strokes), certainly the magnitude of the cultural impact is largely already lost***.

And we’ve had two Apple related -gate stories (read non-stories) in as many weeks, just from journalists looking for news cycle filler. I doubt that Apple made significant changes materially to the outer shell of the iPad Air 5, and there’s more discussion of the reports than original reports of these creaks. Plus, the original comment was poorly thought out, calling the M1 “forbidden” and something about “stealing power from the Mac”, which just set me off even more.

* I was on the subway just a week or two ago, and there were two women both accompanied by a young child (well, somewhere between 6 and 12, I’d guess). The apparent mother of one of them mentioned not being able to fly on September 13th and her son asked why that was, which I immediately (correctly) realized referred to the airplane grounding after 9/11. (Ironically, we were on a train line that was damaged in the WTC attack.) It struck me how we’ve now got recent college graduates who were either born after 9/11 or at least have no memory of it, so aspects of what happened that day are in danger of eventually falling out of living memory.

** Near history, especially the relatively mundane day-to-day aspects of life as little as 20 or 30 years ago, are especially easily lost (see YouTube videos about young people who don’t know VHS or even physical media in general). Most history classes don’t cover events that occurred during the instructor’s lifetime, let alone the students’, and, if they do, it’s with very broad strokes. Most kids these days have always lived in a world of social media and have no conception of what came before it (or when social media was a thing you could only access on desktop or laptop computers).

*** I didn’t live through it, and I’ve lived my whole life in a post-Fairness Doctrine world where news sources left and right will quite readily attack the other side’s President. I understand that the office was treated with a certain gravitas by the media before Watergate (though it seems that’s mostly a mass media era thing, ie radio and TV, 19th Century newspapers treated the presidency how cable news does today), so the lack of trust in the presidency that occurred because of Watergate is something I have no direct experience with. While I can rationally study it, I don’t have that firsthand experience of feeling that sudden mistrust, and that feeling is largely lost from living memory.

Edit: I’ve literally heard of people only familiar with the -gate term from modern usage who assumed Watergate had something to do with a minor scandal concerning water, not an office complex named Watergate. So -gate is a bit non-indicative. Mitchell and Webb even have a joke about -gate where they suggest the scandal about Watergate should be called Watergategate because Watergate would be a scandal about water. (And it seems based on the OED’s article on -gate that it was already being used as lazy journalism for news cycle filler less than a year after Watergate broke. Using the gate suffix is therefore like making a hanging chad joke. That’s a 2000 presidential election if you don’t remember. The Simpsons even pointed out how tired of a news story that was in a joke in a 2002 episode that likely entered production and script writing in before 9/11, so it was already tired and dead [and ready for use in a joke about being tired and dead] before 9/11.)
 
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Gudi

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In German, this scandal was called “Pferdefleischskandal”, a German compound word literally meaning “horse flesh scandal”. It even has the word “scandal” in it, whereas the etymology of “-gate” is completely lost unless you know about Watergate.
That’s the English language for you. Words have no meaning, everything is just context.

When people tell me an infantry fighting vehicle is not a tank, I tell them of course an armed and armored combat vehicle on tracks is not a container for liquid. ?
 
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progx

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The base-model MacBook Air has a 128GB SSD... oh wait, that was the MacBook Air from 2010... well I guess we just can't get that level of generosity anymore, can we?

That would be a different generation of SSD versus the NAND modules Apple uses today. The MacBook Air in 2010 would be on a separate piece of silicone, whereas the new M1 model has it baked into it’s SoC for faster response and no interruptions. It would the equivalent of a sloth racing a roadrunner, it’s going to get smoked.
 

progx

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I always check Apple’s Refurb store but I’m resistant to buying used unless it’s from a close acquaintance. ?‍♀️

Bought my late 2018 Mac mini i7 from the refurb store. Runs perfectly fine and no issues, I‘ve had it for 3 years too. Once I added 32 GB of RAM and eGPU, it runs flawlessly for me, but the new mini smokes my machine.
 
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kc9hzn

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Bought my late 2018 Mac mini i7 from the refurb store. Runs perfectly fine and no issues, I‘ve had it for 3 years too. Once I added 32 GB of RAM and eGPU, it runs flawlessly for me, but the new mini smokes my machine.
I had great luck with a 2012 Mac mini (the quad core server configuration model) that I bought from the refurb store, too. I upgraded the RAM to 16GB, and it was a solid workhorse. I used it consistently from 2014 to 2018. It didn’t even die, I just moved cross country and had to leave it in storage with my parents because I didn’t have the space to bring it with me. I imagine it still works (and I’d like to use it again, if just to sync some of the tracks from my iTunes library to Apple Music), but I’d have to go digging through almost an apartment’s worth of stuff to find it in storage and haven’t had the time or energy to go sorting through all the stuff when I’ve visited them. So I’m a firm believer in the refurbished store (and I’ve almost never heard negative buzz about it), though I have no experience with Apple refurbished iPhones, iPads, or laptops.
 
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ufgatorvet

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Perhaps this has been asked and answered (sorry!), but has there been a teardown of the Air 5 to compare the entrails and the position of such in relationship to those of the Air 4? Is the body just thinner? Is there a different unsubtantial "brace" or doohickey (sorry, I am not an engineer) that allows for the creak noise seen on the videos going around?
 

Richard8655

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I took the time to read at least the first half of the 400 posts on Reddit that MR used to punch out an article about. In there I found way more unrelated comments on the build quality of other Apple products than actual user reports who had even a minute of exposure to the Air 5.

To extrapolate a wide spread issue or make any gate type names up is adding drama instead of facts. Apple will sell millions of these- three dozen negative comments from people claiming to have knowledge on the internet is unlikely to change that.

The original thread btw had an equal amount of people saying they were not having the claimed build quality issue.

Which brings us back to the return period. Send the thing back if you’re not liking it and vote with your wallet - luckily there’s three additional product lines of iPads to chose from, plus potentially Air 4 sell-outs if anyone still has stock of them.
I think some people will always found fault with new Apple products. And one negative comment can influence others to see issues that perhaps don't really exist. That may be what's happening here with "creakgate" (the term doesn't really bother me, though). But I think it's fair to raise any perceived criticisms and expectations, as these devices at these price points should really be fault free.
 

jsmith1

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Haven’t been around much but did see this…so I’m out


 

lambertjohn

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Who gets mad at product releases? Go for a walk. While on that walk, assess your current mental health and why a company releasing products would cause such a silly response.
blah blah blah. he was just stating his opinion on the new Air. He has every right to do that, just like you have the right to tell him he needs to assess his current mental health. Maybe you should take the walk with him?
 
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macacam

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blah blah blah. he was just stating his opinion on the new Air. He has every right to do that, just like you have the right to tell him he needs to assess his current mental health. Maybe you should take the walk with him?
It's Sunday and you're responding to weeks old comments instead of hanging out with that LOVELY family? Lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o_O
 
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ericwn

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blah blah blah. he was just stating his opinion on the new Air. He has every right to do that, just like you have the right to tell him he needs to assess his current mental health. Maybe you should take the walk with him?

It’s a discussion forum. Isn’t it obvious that all these folks are stating their opinions and nothing else? Still the outrage over products is just drama.
 

ericwn

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It's Sunday and you're responding to weeks old comments instead of hanging out with that LOVELY family? Lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o_O

It’s also Sunday when you responded…
 
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