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Do we KNOW the gamut is inferior? Do we KNOW we aren't just used to the high-contrast, high-saturation look of the older screen and when presented with a more neutral screen we find it "off"?
 
You have to consider whether the device as a whole is better for you. For people not that concerned with the gamut, lots of people happily use the Mini 1 despite is SD screen, its overwhelmingly a better device. For others the Air is a better device, and for those who want the Air's screen, in the Mini 2's body, well…
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Haha, yes that is quickly becoming apparent.

Who are these people who are "happily" using the Mini 1 that you speak of?? :D

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Do we KNOW the gamut is inferior? Do we KNOW we aren't just used to the high-contrast, high-saturation look of the older screen and when presented with a more neutral screen we find it "off"?

Yes, someone posted the charts in another one of these endless topics.
 
Ipad mini retina on top. Ipad Air on bottom. I see it a little but to me it looks like it's where it should be. Mine came directly from Shenzhen so it could be using a different panel.

I just realized the photo didn't upload.
 

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Ipad mini retina on top. Ipad Air on bottom. I see it a little but to me it looks like it's where it should be. Mine came directly from Shenzhen so it could be using a different panel.

I just realized the photo didn't upload.
There's NOTHING wrong with that display! It looks so good, I might have to run over to Best Buy....or Shenzhen. Maybe not Shenzhen. :D
 
Ipad mini retina on top. Ipad Air on bottom. I see it a little but to me it looks like it's where it should be. Mine came directly from Shenzhen so it could be using a different panel.

I just realized the photo didn't upload.
Can you post that pic to this thread so we can compare on our devices?

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For what it's worth, from Gruber's rMini review:

I’ve also seen reports of white-balance issue, or yellow-ish tinting, with the new Mini. To my eyes, colors are nearly identical between the Mini, the Air, and my iPhone 5S.

http://daringfireball.net/2013/11/the_retina_ipad_mini

There must be panel differences out there. However, I guess 'nearly' is the key word there.
 
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Ipad mini retina on top. Ipad Air on bottom. I see it a little but to me it looks like it's where it should be. Mine came directly from Shenzhen so it could be using a different panel.

I just realized the photo didn't upload.

To my eyes, the blues and reds are off. The difference in saturation wouldn't bother me, but the red on the mini seems orange and the blue sky looks a bit cyan compared to the air.
 
I'm sorry, I meant the original source photo that you are displaying on your iPads. I wanted to bring up the same hot air balloon pic on mine.

Actually that's a pic I took and is 16mb, I don't think I can upload it here.

To my eyes, the blues and reds are off. The difference in saturation wouldn't bother me, but the red on the mini seems orange and the blue sky looks a bit cyan compared to the air.

I know it's a little off. I don't think it's as bad. I realize the screen gamma is bad. I wonder though if they can turn up the contrast/saturation with an update.
 

Likely Apple emphasized power consumption and cost on the iPad mini over color gamut. I have both (I'm likely to keep the mini and return the Air). The Air does have better color saturation, but it isn't overly noticeable to me. Remember, it has essentially the same internals and is $100 cheaper. It was the same for many years between the 13" MacBook Pro and 13" MacBook Air. The Air had a higher resolution screen (before the Retina models), but the Pro had better color gamut.
 
It's funny....people seem to think that all retina screens should be equal, when the fact is nothing is further from the truth.

Those iPhone displays? They come in at 1136x640 in a 4" display (now on the second generation of 4" retina displays - really 4th if you don't consider adding pixels to the top as difficult engineering wise).

Those iPad air displays? They come in at 2048x1536 in a 9.7" display (now on the third generation of such displays).

Those iPad rMini displays? They come in at 2048x1536 in a 7.9" display (the FIRST generation of such a display).

Before we go off the wall and berate Apple for allowing such nonsense or blaming them for doing this on purpose, lets realize - this is a FIRST generation display tech. Name another tablet in this size range with a display resolution at this level? Name another tablet that has a similar display res that's anywhere near as thin, light and powerful.

You guys are ridiculous. The iPad has been around for THREE AND A HALF YEARS. Seriously? We're going to go apes*** because a FIRST gen display doesn't produce PERFECT colors???

It's actually a step up from the first gen mini as far as color reproduction goes. And while not on par with the more mature panels of the Air, its getting there, outpacing the first gen in every other display quality category (contrast ratio, white balance etc).

If you don't like it, don't buy it. But for the love of God, to whine the way you people do is unbelievable.....if there are better products out there, get one of those. If not, you really have no reason to be upset.

Indeed this is true....but then why was the iPad 3 (1st Gen iPad of that high a resolution - and size) so much better (with color gamut) than this (1st Gen iPad of that high a resolution - and size) iPad Mini Retina?
 
Just hold off a wee while and gamut-gate could be over in a couple of months.

Once demand rolls off for the Air the same suppliers will focus their resources on the mini.
 
Has anyone even considered that this could be an actually technical limitation of the screen technology and therefore unavoidable? Since the pixel density is so high is it even capable of producing truer colors let alone keep the same power consumption? I'm no expert but is there a 7 inch tablet on the market that has equal or higher PPI, produces better colors, same battery life, and similar form factor? I mean something has to give here and would any of you trade one of the other limitations for the more accurate colors?

If you answer yes then why didn't you buy the Air?

Kindle HDX and Nexus 7 both have color representations ~equal or better than the iPad Air. The iPad Retina Mini is pretty much the only odd man out in terms of the top selling tablets
 
Just letting you know....they did increase the thickness, and weight

It's unnoticeable.....the difference in each instance isn't comparable.

As for your above post - I explained why the iPad 3's display was better on gamut. Because of the sacrifices made elsewhere (battery life, form factor, heat).

So Apple decided not to do that this time and instead put the best display they could mass produce as of now in the rMini. You can bet next year we'll see a display that produces more accurate colors as they'll have the time between now and then to figure it out and perfect.

EDIT: Just for reference sake.....

Differences between iPad mini and iPad mini retina = 0.3 mm added thickness, 23 grams added weight, same 10 hour batter life

Differences between iPad 2 and iPad 3 = 0.6 mm added thickness, no added weight for wifi model (however those models weighed 601 grams.....TWICE what the retina mini weighs), battery life reduced in iPad 3 from 10 hours to 8 hours.
 
It's unnoticeable.....the difference in each instance isn't comparable.

As for your above post - I explained why the iPad 3's display was better on gamut. Because of the sacrifices made elsewhere (battery life, form factor, heat).

So Apple decided not to do that this time and instead put the best display they could mass produce as of now in the rMini. You can bet next year we'll see a display that produces more accurate colors as they'll have the time between now and then to figure it out and perfect.

EDIT: Just for reference sake.....

Differences between iPad mini and iPad mini retina = 0.3 mm added thickness, 23 grams added weight

Differences between iPad 2 and iPad 3 = 0.6 mm added thickness, no added weight for wifi model (however those models weighed 601 grams.....TWICE what the retina mini weighs).

Well for the weight, the lighter the weight the more noticeable the weight is. You're likely going to notice the weight difference of 1 --> 1.5 pounds a lot more than you would 4 --> 6 pounds. Because 4 pounds is already heavy. The difference (albeit a little less) is roughly equivalent if you take into account that the size of the mini is smaller, so any added weight and thickness is more noticeable. Whether this comes to fruition in real life I cannot say myself, but has been noticed by others (I will know myself soon - I don't care either way though).

But regarding your first section - that is one opinion to have - the other is, seeing that the color gamut is roughly identical to the color gamut of the first iPad Mini, you can assume apple made no effort to change it for this model (in which case I wouldn't expect it to change for next years either). This could be because the technology isn't there (highly highly doubtful in my opinion - color gamut is not the hardest thing to produce...the problem with manufacturing comes with the instability of high density panels, not color gamut), or it could be because 1) they wanted to lower the cost of the iPad Mini Retina - as it sells for less but has the same specs as the Air, and 2) because a higher color gamut would hinder the battery life slightly (and having a smaller battery life than the air, but the same processor - they needed to cut corners to maintain the same usage time).
 
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