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Yeah, but it was just a tiny little bit.

The original iPad Mini is 308 Grams
The iPad Mini Retina is 331 Grams

This is a difference of ~8%

The iPad 2 is 661 grams
The iPad 3 is 601 grams

This is a difference of ~10%

Yes it's not the same difference, but it's rather close...and like I stated above, the difference is more perceivable (by human nature) in a lighter object. I'm not saying that the new iPad "feels" heavier to most people, I'm just saying that it is still a difference worth noting, as it is almost the same as what they did between the iPad 2 and iPad 3 - which apparently was a semi big deal for some.
 
easiest way to spot is open Netflix app you will see the difference if you have any idevices. the red color is not quite pleasant in retina mini...
 
Couldn't this really be fixed with a firmware update. Gamma, Saturation and Contrast are all things that can be changed on a monitor LCD with customizable options. We don't have access to the options but that doesn't mean Apple can't adjust them in the firmware.
 
Couldn't this really be fixed with a firmware update. Gamma, Saturation and Contrast are all things that can be changed on a monitor LCD with customizable options. We don't have access to the options but that doesn't mean Apple can't adjust them in the firmware.

True, but the overall range of colors that the display can produce is a hardware limitation. The rMini display can't produce the same range of colors that all other current-gen Retina devices can.
 
The color gamut usually depends on the backlight led used on the display.
Lower gamut leds are more efficient then higher gamut, i guess apple just chose to give us more battery life..
 
easiest way to spot is open Netflix app you will see the difference if you have any idevices. the red color is not quite pleasant in retina mini...

I put on yellow minion goggles, hang upside down from a ceiling fan, then I hold them side by side. Thats my method for checking color gamut.
 
My iPad Mini arrived today. The 'hello' screen was vibrant white and no uneven patches or dead pixels. I have been using my Air since launch and the first time I looked at the Mini screen my impressions were nothing but great. Really pleased.
 
The color gamut usually depends on the backlight led used on the display.
Lower gamut leds are more efficient then higher gamut, i guess apple just chose to give us more battery life..

Interesting - I did not know that! Thanks for the info.

I'm in the boat that's attempting to quell the tide of overreaction to this whole deal. I figured there was something - engineering-wise - that Apple decided either wasn't worth compromising in another area or simply wasn't possible.
 
this means we have LG lcd and not sharp i guess??? i have Nexus 4 and always the problem is the washout color but it can be fixed by rooting it and install the 3rd party apps by the developer.. even the nexus 5 now that they are reporting a bit washout too
 
I might be blind, but both my air and mini have good displays. Yes, the colors are more vivid on the Air, but it doesn't bother me

Is there a website that has a "display test" for iPads and iPhones?
 
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I might be blind, but both my air and mini have good displays. Yes, the colors are more vivid on sir, but it doesn't bother me

Is there a website that has a "display test" for iPads and iPhones?

If you are happy with them that is all that matters. Too many people here spend their time fishing for issues. Look hard enough and you can find flaws with EVERYTHING.
 
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This is mine, I think it's fine. It's slightly less saturated then the Air IMO, but I like it, and it's better then some I've seen. 60% brightness.
 
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This is mine, I think it's fine. It's slightly less saturated then the Air IMO, but I like it, and it's better then some I've seen. 60% brightness.

Looks similar to mine. I'm very pleased with mine and I have an air too. I use them both back to back and have no complaints when switching to the mini.
 
The only thing I've learned from all of these threads is that a lot of people have awfully low standards.
 
I got my retina Mini today. I like my Air much better. When I had the iPad 4 and the mini, I used my mini all the time. Now, I think it is going to be the other way. I kept the air and R mini side by side and the Air looks and feels much better. I did the same between mini and R mini. No difference. On text, I can see the black fonts are more denser in the R mini. But the R mini has a blue hue and I liked the whiter color of the original mini. The Air is a clear winner and will be a great hit during the holidays. With the weight problems of IPad 3 and 4 gone, Air will become popular. The iPad R mini though is a disappointment.
 
The only thing I've learned from all of these threads is that a lot of people have awfully low standards.
Here's what I've learned from these threads, and the threads that came after Apple's October event.
1. Some people see a feature on one product, and assume ALL Apple products will now incorporate that feature. Touch ID makes much more sense on a one-handed product thanks does on a tablet.
2. When the same processor is used in two different devices, some people declare that these are now the same device in different sizes. It doesn't matter that Apple never claimed that.
3. Many people wished for more features and a lower price, and were disappointed when prices weren't cut to some arbitrary amount, based on nothing more than wishful thinking.
4. Not owning a particular product, let alone even seeing one in person, does not disqualify many from giving an expert opinion.
5. Some people think that Apple owes them everything they've dreamt of all year long, and have a fit when the product doesn't match their fantasy.
6. These threads are not unlike network news cycles. The bashing of one product gets drops just as soon as the next arrives, and that product is then treated to the same harsh (and often ridiculous) criticism.
7. Many people believe that Apple is cheating them, on order to force them to buy more products in six months to one year. They seem to believe that Apple should make a perfect product at a low price, and then fade into the sunset.
8. A few seem determined to convince all here that their opinion of a product should dissuade anyone from even considering purchasing a product, or returning a product that they were quite happy with.
9. Some people will begin to see things that aren't there if told they should see them, especially when a few tell them they must be on drugs, stupid, have low standards, and all the other bullying BS that passes for a reasoned argument.
10. One should not dismiss a product without seeing it for themselves.

I went to Best Buy with my wife tonight, and the rMini is a fine tablet. We brought along her Air for comparison, but had to use website images as the display tablet's content did not match our videos, pics, etc. The rMini's colors were fine, and nearly indistinguishable from the Air. Based solely on our own observations, and the Air's light weight and larger display, we decided not to buy a rMini tonight. I would encourage anyone interested in buying a Retina Mini to take a look for yourself, and decide based on what you see. We didn't see any yellow screens, and they were actually rather cool. Reds were vibrant i videos (The Great Oz), as well as on websites and pics loaded onto the tablet. App icons did look different from the Air, but that's not an issue unless you're buying to view icons.

The haters are welcome to flame away. I'm sick of the nonsense, and expression of entitlement, conspiracy theories, and the expectation that a tablet should be equal to a scientific instrument. For all of those that feel Apple cheated customers by not making colors as vibrant as a Nexus 7, buy the Nexus and save some cash. Just get back to us with a report on your small 16:9 tablet experience.
 
Here's what I've learned from these threads, and the threads that came after Apple's October event.
1. Some people see a feature on one product, and assume ALL Apple products will now incorporate that feature.
2. When the same processor is used in two different devices, some people declare that these are now the same device in different sizes. It doesn't matter that Apple never claimed that.
3. Many people wished for more features and a lower price, and were disappointed when prices weren't cut to some arbitrary amount, based on nothing more than wishful thinking.
4. Not owning a particular product, let alone even seeing one in person, does not disqualify many from giving an expert opinion.
5. Some people think that Apple owes them everything they've dreamt of all year long, and have a fit when the product doesn't match their fantasy.
6. These threads are not unlike network news cycles. The bashing of one product gets drops just as soon as the next arrives, and that product is then treated to the same harsh (and often ridiculous) criticism.
7. Many people believe that Apple is cheating them, on order to force them to buy more products in six months to one year. They seem to believe that Apple should make a perfect product at a low price, and then fade into the sunset.
8. A few seem determined to convince all here that their opinion of a product should dissuade anyone from even considering purchasing a product, or returning a product that they were quite happy with.
9. Some people will begin to see things that aren't there if told they should see them, especially when a few tell them they must be on drugs, stupid, have low standards, and all the other bullying BS that passes for a reasoned argument.
10. One should not dismiss a product without seeing it for themselves.

I went to Best Buy with my wife tonight, and the rMini is a fine tablet. We brought along her Air for comparison, but had to use website images as the display tablet's content did not match our videos, pics, etc. The rMini's colors were fine, and nearly indistinguishable from the Air. Based solely on our own observations, and the Air's light weight and larger display, we decided not to buy a rMini tonight. I would encourage anyone interested in buying a Retina Mini to take a look for yourself, and decide based on what you see. We didn't see any yellow screens, and they were actually rather cool. Reds were vibrant i videos (The Great Oz), as well as on websites and pics loaded onto the tablet. App icons did look different from the Air, but that's not an issue unless you're buying to view icons.

The haters are welcome to flame away. I'm sick of the nonsense, and expression of entitlement, conspiracy theories, and the expectation that a tablet should be equal to a scientific instrument. For all of those that feel Apple cheated customers by not making colors as vibrant as a Nexus 7, buy the Nexus and save some cash. Just get back to us with a report on your small 16:9 tablet experience.

This has got to be one of the best responses I've read in these forums in a long time. Bravo. Well said, +1000, high five and all that. :apple:
 
I noticed that the iPad Air has better color saturation and deeper blacks than the retina iPad mini in the store. It's a still a good looking display, just not as good as it could be. Maybe it's a LG issue and once Samsung panels get in the pipeline, better screens will appear. I think for most people, it won't be an issue. It will only be an issue for picky people, like those who frequent this site.
 
I have to say I usually notice things like this with screen colours etc, after all photography is a big passion of mine and so things like saturation and colour tones are vitally important. I had a very quick play with the Air and rMini in store a couple of days ago and I didn't notice such a difference as the ones posted on this thread. Admittedly the devices weren't side by side, and there was a few seconds in moving from one table to the other to use the next device, but nothing jumped out at me. I currently have the iphone 5 and ipad 3 and thought the rMini was better that the iPad 3 and on par, if not better than the iphone 5.

IMO iOS7 is quite garish so dulling down the colours a touch isn't a bad thing imo ;) Also, looking at some of the comparison pics the Air looks quite garish in some of the colours to my eyes, the pinks especially. Quite a number of folk are impressed by how bright and saturated a display is rather than true colour, TV displays are the perfect example of this and why so many people are drawn to LCD screens in store rather than Plasma. I've fallen foul of this myself in the past, but I now look at the overall colour tone rather than how bright or vibrant an image is :)
 
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