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Hardware-wise it is.

If Apple wanted to allow macOS on it they could do so with a simple flip of a switch.

I am not saying they should, but I am saying that after 11 years iPadOS is still missing so many features that it is embarrassing.



Ok, great. Please explain how I would accomplish the e-mail task detailed above the iPad way.



I could respond to this, but I would be repeating myself. Again.



Sure, there are apps for tons of stuff. Many of them contain all sorts of rubbish, from tracking and analytics to downright scams, not to mention how many garbage apps you have to wade through to find one that actually does what you want it to. Researching is difficult because the scammers are pretty good at SEO.

A Mac has pretty much everything I need it to have out of the box, except for Drafts and Pastebot. (Oh, and NetNewsWire, since Apple ripped RSS support from Safari.)

Which of course brings to mind the best example of all the missing iPad features, a ****ing calculator. ATP recently had an interesting segment on all the scam calculator apps, and how difficult it is for a normal user to get a decent one if you haven't been told to just download PCalc. It is truly mind-boggling.



Once again, the "iPad way" is to download and install something from a developer you need to research and decide to trust.

I have decided to do so in this case because of the utility it provides, and use iSH every day. I am not happy about the lack of a first-party solution though. Ask me how thrilled I am about trusting joe-random-developer with my RSA private key?

Also, iSH is far from a replacement.

It only has access to its own sandbox root, which means I cannot use ls to sort or filter folder contents of my iCloud Drive or OneDrive, and need to use the useless file listing capabilities in these apps instead.

(I know, I know, do it the "iPad way" and download Midnight Commander or something. Have you seen the garbage SEO pages that searching for "iPadOS file manager" results in?)



Ok, I'll start you off with a few challenges:

  1. You arrive at the location where you are expected to hold your presentation. Once there, you find that the projector only has HDMI input, but the audio is analog-only. Of course you have your HDMI dongle, but you do not have a spare Apple TV, Airport Express or dongle for HDMI analog audio extraction, and there is no time to get one. You just go into the audio settings and choose the headphone jack as your audio out, and everything just works, right? Right? Oh, it doesn't? What is the iPad way?
  2. You are enjoying a podcast or music while browsing a web page that has an embedded youtube video. You want to see the video, but do not want your audio to pause, and you definitely don't want to have to restarted it manually when the video is done playing. And naturally you don't want to do this when you do a quick check-in on Ring to see who is at the door only to find out it was a bird either. How do you solve this the iPad way?
  3. You have an mp3 that is not in your Music library, and not available from the iTunes store. You just import it, right? Drag and drop? Swipe? There must be some gesture, right? Let me guess, download Infuse Pro or something?
  4. Your kids are dancing to the music playing from the iPad on the living room Airplay 2 speakers. Of course you want to grab a quick video of it. This works, right? No? What's the iPad way? Go find some other device than the one you have in your hand?



No Xcode is a pretty big ****ing asterix for any developer asking "can an iPad replace my laptop" which is literally the topic of this thread.



Why not? There is no good reason for so many of the limitations. It is not effective to have separate workflows for the same task, and workflows should transfer seamlessly between devices when it is practically possible given the form factor’s inherent constraints. The iPad could do so much more.

Sure, for someone who only has work that is possible to complete in an effective way (or at all) using an iPad, and is willing and able to go iPad-only, it makes sense to develop and master entirely new workflows. For anyone else, not so much.
Hey.. I think I missed parts of this post..

Lets get one thing strait - I want Apple to improve iPads . sure! oh well at the end here you actually touched my basic point and it is that you haven’t really found new workflows and yes you have to find a new work for us for the iPad. You’re trying to make the iPad a Mac but it’s not a Mac it’s an iPad. So yes if you want to use it and if you want to enjoy do you have to find a new ways how to use it because it’s a new device. And again for Architecture I couldn’t use an iPad. But actually I wouldn’t want to anyway. Because for architecture I need the big screens. But anyway yeah I would like all the Macintosh applications to actually exist on the iPad and sure there’s many things that could be improved I’m saying this is a wild card I’m sure there are many things that could be improved because that’s always the case. But I personally am not finding many things that I want to be different on the iPad, other than I would like to have my specialty niche macOS applications be able to run on the iPad. That’s the only thing that I really need, and that I feel would be a very big improvement in the usage of the iPad. Most of the small quirks have been fixed, but I’m sure there is probably a bunch of them that still need to be fixed and I hope that Apple will fix wild Apple will certainly fix at least some of them in the new OS, And it’s going to get polished
 
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PandaPunch

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I do. Stuck in a hotel in the middle of nowhere in Croatia I had to export my Keynote presentation to PowerPoint and run it off some guy's Windows laptop.

Of course the presentation looked like crap, I couldn't read my notes and use my iPhone as a clicker as I had intended and couldn't use the Pencil where I had intended to draw and write on slides, and the laptop crashed halfway through.

I wouldn't dream of trying to make a presentation on the iPad (although I appreciate that iPad-first or iPad-only people could do it just as well or better than I can on a Mac) but I figured if I only needed to make minor tweaks I would be fine traveling with only the iPad.

Of course I checked the interfaces beforehand, for both audio and display, and was told it would be HDMI, so I couldn't have been better prepared for the "iPad way" short of carrying all sorts of hardware for every possibility.

The point is, had I only brought a MacBook this would not have happened.

Also, had iPadOS not been so limited, and had the audio routing capabilities System 7 had 11 years after the original introduction of the Macintosh (which is now 25 years ago!) it also would not have happened.



Which is exactly my point. If the OS wasn't so limited and provided more choice we could both be happy.



I am actually I very happy Infuse Pro user (although primarily on Apple TV for NAS access) and long-time VLC user, but my point is that I have all my music in my Apple Music library. I have playlists where I mix my music and streaming Apple Music source material, and have it synced on all my devices. There is no other option in this case beyond importing into Apple Music, and this works fine on the Mac but is impossible if you only have access to an iOS or iPadOS device.




It may have been fixed in iPadOS 15, and could potentially only have been an issue with AirPlay 1. I'm not going to get out of bed to test it. (And/or wake everybody/anybody up.)
That's fine, I'll likely play around with Airplay and video recording tomorrow morning myself.

And on the point of the Mac being able to import music to Apple Music, that makes sense. Since I have no Mac yet, I had no clue.
 

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Have you guys considered something like this as well ?


Its the new surface laptop… Semms to have - what ipad has - and thats a touchscreen, but has a full OS behind it.
Might be interesting to try… And I have been considering windows for some time now..

Since I kinda grew tired of the ‘Apple Way‘ of doing things. Its often the more complicated way. (this is not ipad related, ipad has quite a lot of nice quirks that make things fast, its more a general apple aproach, that can sometimes annoy me)
 

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Have you guys considered something like this as well ?


Its the new surface laptop… Semms to have - what ipad has - and thats a touchscreen, but has a full OS behind it.
Might be interesting to try… And I have been considering windows for some time now..

Since I kinda grew tired of the ‘Apple Way‘ of doing things. Its often the more complicated way. (this is not ipad related, ipad has quite a lot of nice quirks that make things fast, its more a general apple aproach, that can sometimes annoy me)

I have a 16GB i7 Surface Pro 7, a 2021 12.9 iPad Pro, and a cellular Mini 6. The SP7 makes a great laptop and a mediocre tablet; the 12.9 makes a great tablet and a mediocre laptop; the Mini 6 is a great portable tablet. Each has its place, complementing but not replacing each other.
 

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I have a 16GB i7 Surface Pro 7, a 2021 12.9 iPad Pro, and a cellular Mini 6. The SP7 makes a great laptop and a mediocre tablet; the 12.9 makes a great tablet and a mediocre laptop; the Mini 6 is a great portable tablet. Each has its place, complementing but not replacing each other.
I keep hearing that…

Why is it a mediocre tablet?

I love my iPad, but , I might consider moving to something more convetional, mostly out of curiosity… It seems windows doesnt work for touch first right? Since, iPad is moving very closely to laptop teritory (I just discussed if there are any real things iPad cant do already), and… well.. for me it seems to sort of be a main computer already, but
i am always opet to new things
 

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I‘m hoping there‘ll be a jailbreak in future that let‘s install MacOS along side iPadOS and then having a dual boot option or run MacOS from iPadOS.

For most of the time iPadOS is enough but there are certain workflows where MacOS would be nice to switch to.
 

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I think something else is going to happen.

Apple could just let all software play on ipad, since all software will be updated to run on M1, so basically they can run on iPads as well. I think Apple will give developers a chance to make ONE piece of software that works on all systems - from iPhone to iPad to Mac. And they could easily achieve this since they own everything in the system, even the XCode and Swift. So thats what I predict will happen. iPad OS will stay iPad OS , but will get MAC grade software, with iPad specific GUI. (touchfirst) which is great, and really, all we really need.
 

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I keep hearing that…

Why is it a mediocre tablet?

I love my iPad, but , I might consider moving to something more convetional, mostly out of curiosity… It seems windows doesnt work for touch first right? Since, iPad is moving very closely to laptop teritory (I just discussed if there are any real things iPad cant do already), and… well.. for me it seems to sort of be a main computer already, but
i am always opet to new things
For me, the amount and quality of touch and stylus centric apps available on iPadOS vs Windows 10-11 make the difference between an adequate tablet experience vs a fantastic experience.

Conversely, being able use any full blown browser I want, full monitor support, full file system support, more powerful applications, and now Thunderbolt 4 support, makes the Surface Pro 8 a (potentially) fantastic laptop experience whereas the iPad would be adequate in that role.
 
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That's fine, I'll likely play around with Airplay and video recording tomorrow morning myself.

I just did a quick test with iOS 15 and determined that it works as expected with Airplay 2, but playing to Airplay 1 kills the music as soon as you switch to video in the camera app. I'm not 100% sure this was not also the case in iOS 14.

I did the same test in Photo Booth on a Mac, and it of course does what it is supposed to do with both Airplay 1 and Airplay 2.

This also made me think of another really annoying limitation of iOS/iPadOS, which is that you cannot play to multiple Airplay 1 devices simultaneously, which has never been an issue on Mac. Replacing or modifying the devices I often wish to multiplay to has been tedious and expensive, and I still have a few to deal with.

(For a long time I just had an old headless Mac running iTunes that I could control with the iOS Remote app sitting in a closet, but that solution fell apart when Apple Music launched and the Remote app wasn't updated to play music not already added to the library or a playlist.)
 

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For me, the amount and quality of touch and stylus centric apps available on iPadOS vs Windows 10-11 make the difference between an adequate tablet experience vs a fantastic experience.

Conversely, being able use any full blown browser I want, full monitor support, full file system support, more powerful applications, and now Thunderbolt 4 support, makes the Surface Pro 8 a (potentially) fantastic laptop experience whereas the iPad would be adequate in that role.
I see. good explanation. gotta try the ipad with the MKB to see how it plays togeather (gotta find a normally priced one)
 
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For me, the amount and quality of touch and stylus centric apps available on iPadOS vs Windows 10-11 make the difference between an adequate tablet experience vs a fantastic experience.

Conversely, being able use any full blown browser I want, full monitor support, full file system support, more powerful applications, and now Thunderbolt 4 support, makes the Surface Pro 8 a (potentially) fantastic laptop experience whereas the iPad would be adequate in that role.

About exactly as how I would have replied. Really enjoy my SP7 and iPads as complements to each other.
 

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Yeah, I feel the typing experience has become much worse in recent years, I'm wondering if it is all the ML experimenting messing it up.
I started using iPadOS/iOS 3 years ago (fall 2018). I never learnt to enjoy the typing experience in iOS. In terms of keyboard I like it - the layout is better compared to my old Android phone and keys are more prominent. However copy/paste and cursor is just a total mess for me. It is very slow and inefficient. That explains why people have to pay me to use the virtual keyboard. Now, let's say that I use keyboard. Well the experience is half-a$$ed. With Windows I am used to move quickly the cursor by using the arrows on the keyboard. This however is far slower on iPadOS.
Same here, but my Macs are hardwired (installed dual Cat-6A STP in every room during a recent remodeling) directly to the router serving Gbit fiber, so my latency for commonly used resources hovers around 5-6 ms. It makes a huge difference for the perceived speed.
Yep, it seems like a small thing but honestly it is big when you browse a lot. And I so browse a lot :D.
And web browsing, reading news feeds, managing deliveries, paying bills, checking in on security systems, managing HomeKit, ssh to other systems, writing drafts, recording voice memos, video calling, maps and directions, looking at photos and reading e-mail.
Good point. I actually do trust Safari security more than my Windows machine so I do pay my bills using Safari on the iPad and not on the computer. I do prefer using my laptop for video calls because well the front facing camera placement is weird on the iPad and it annoys me. I also use the iPad for books reading, creating mindmaps, Homekit automations, reminders etc
However, just now I needed to reply to an e-mail, include quoted sections from two other e-mails, and copy three of seven addresses from these other e-mails. That was a major chore, something that literally takes a second or two on a Mac.
Yeah, for things like that I quite enjoy the extending displays functionality I have with my laptop ;).
 
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This is a great example od what I am saying. MP3s are the old world. Streming is the new world
No. You. Are. Misguided. On various levels: why would I restrict myself to a single choice? What convincing argument is there to replace an investment (buying the music you like once) with a continuous cost? et cetera.

”it’s the new world” is as a phrase quite arrogant... a modern variant of "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche". And semantically zero contribution to the question/problem presented.
 

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But it does have the one advantage of being the only Mac "laptop" with a touchscreen.
Well, it uses the same processor as the Mac, so I suppose you can call it that. However, it does not run the same software, which is the main limiting factor for the M1 processor to reach its full potential. Many reviewers have pointed out that the iPad Pro does not benefit from the M1 processor due to the limitations of the operating system and of available software.
 

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I just did a quick test with iOS 15 and determined that it works as expected with Airplay 2, but playing to Airplay 1 kills the music as soon as you switch to video in the camera app. I'm not 100% sure this was not also the case in iOS 14.

I did the same test in Photo Booth on a Mac, and it of course does what it is supposed to do with both Airplay 1 and Airplay 2.

This also made me think of another really annoying limitation of iOS/iPadOS, which is that you cannot play to multiple Airplay 1 devices simultaneously, which has never been an issue on Mac. Replacing or modifying the devices I often wish to multiplay to has been tedious and expensive, and I still have a few to deal with.

(For a long time I just had an old headless Mac running iTunes that I could control with the iOS Remote app sitting in a closet, but that solution fell apart when Apple Music launched and the Remote app wasn't updated to play music not already added to the library or a playlist.)
Well, since I only have AirPlay 2 devices at my place (2 Rokus), looks like I can't experiment with that.

Now, with the AirPlay 1 issues, that seems to be a limitation of AP1 itself. The only way for you to play different speakers at the same time was using a Mac and iTunes/Music. Whereas, the big selling point of AP2 was multiple speakers at the same time. But that's still not fun having to replace speakers when the cheapest brand new AP2 speaker seems to be the $99 Homepod Mini.

No. You. Are. Misguided. On various levels: why would I restrict myself to a single choice? What convincing argument is there to replace an investment (buying the music you like once) with a continuous cost? et cetera.

”it’s the new world” is as a phrase quite arrogant... a modern variant of "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche". And semantically zero contribution to the question/problem presented.
The only justification for streaming music in my mind is either to avoid managing a physical/digital collection or to experiment with different genres of music without buying anything. Though that falls apart because you could have just used Spotify for free to pull that off so it's not like you have to pay.
 

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Well, since I only have AirPlay 2 devices at my place (2 Rokus), looks like I can't experiment with that.

Now, with the AirPlay 1 issues, that seems to be a limitation of AP1 itself. The only way for you to play different speakers at the same time was using a Mac and iTunes/Music. Whereas, the big selling point of AP2 was multiple speakers at the same time. But that's still not fun having to replace speakers when the cheapest brand new AP2 speaker seems to be the $99 Homepod Mini.
Sorry for the stupid question but I am rather newer (compared to most people who post here) into the Apple ecosystem, how can I know if my devices support Airplay 1 or 2?
The only justification for streaming music in my mind is either to avoid managing a physical/digital collection or to experiment with different genres of music without buying anything. Though that falls apart because you could have just used Spotify for free to pull that off so it's not like you have to pay.
I agree with you but I have to admit that most of my friends would find music streaming good enough. Maybe it is just about the people I am surrounded with but most of my friends can't even get the difference in music quality between wired and bluetooth, between different codec etc. For them music streaming is working great.

I actually do use music streaming app but I use it to download my music and then to listen to it offline. When I am listening to music I do not want to be disturbed by system alerts, notifications sound etc. I want to be disconnected and enjoy the music. I also want to be able to listen to music while in places where mobile data cannot be used - plane, mountain without coverage etc.
 

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If you need any of these, the MacBook is not for you.

Need pencil?
Need to hold in bed or sofa?
Need Touch Screen?
Need accelerometer?
Need portrait mode?
Need better than a 720 camera that only faces the user?
Need Lidar?
Need Pro Motion?
Need Cellular?

If you require access to legacy technologies the iPad is not for you.
 

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Sorry for the stupid question but I am rather newer (compared to most people who post here) into the Apple ecosystem, how can I know if my devices support Airplay 1 or 2?

I agree with you but I have to admit that most of my friends would find music streaming good enough. Maybe it is just about the people I am surrounded with but most of my friends can't even get the difference in music quality between wired and bluetooth, between different codec etc. For them music streaming is working great.

I actually do use music streaming app but I use it to download my music and then to listen to it offline. When I am listening to music I do not want to be disturbed by system alerts, notifications sound etc. I want to be disconnected and enjoy the music. I also want to be able to listen to music while in places where mobile data cannot be used - plane, mountain without coverage etc.
In terms of 1 vs 2, if you've bought something in the last few years it's going to be AirPlay 2. And if you mean things like the Macbook or iPhone, I think they will work with both versions of AirPlay.

In terms of music streaming, I do like streaming, but I totally get why people would rather have local storage music.
 
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This is a generalization, but in my experience:
  1. If you primarily work with files, databases, and productivity apps (e.g. MS Office, iWork, etc.), then MacBook (MacOS) is better.
  2. If you primarily review/markup documents, take notes, and draw, then iPad (iPadOS) is better.
I fall in category #1, but I like having an iPad too for reading and casual computing....plus a secondary monitor. I fit in the large consumer group that are perfectly content with the base MBA + the base iPad. If you shop around for both, it's about $1,150 total. Not bad for the average consumer.
 

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No. You. Are. Misguided. On various levels: why would I restrict myself to a single choice? What convincing argument is there to replace an investment (buying the music you like once) with a continuous cost? et cetera.

”it’s the new world” is as a phrase quite arrogant... a modern variant of "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche". And semantically zero contribution to the question/problem presented.
you are right.
 

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If you need any of these, the MacBook is not for you.

Need pencil?
Need to hold in bed or sofa?
Need Touch Screen?
Need accelerometer?
Need portrait mode?
Need better than a 720 camera that only faces the user?
Need Lidar?
Need Pro Motion?
Need Cellular?

If you require access to legacy technologies the iPad is not for you.
I agree with this
 
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However copy/paste and cursor is just a total mess for me. It is very slow and inefficient.

Yes, I absolutely detest iOS text handling. I cannot believe that 14 years in it is still this bad. (Although the keyboard-surface-as-a-trackpad feature does help a little, it's a shame it isn't more discoverable.)

I actually do trust Safari security more than my Windows machine so I do pay my bills using Safari on the iPad and not on the computer.

My banks have decent apps that do bill OCR using the camera, faster authentication and a few other neat tricks, so I actually prefer banking on iPad.

Now, with the AirPlay 1 issues, that seems to be a limitation of AP1 itself. The only way for you to play different speakers at the same time was using a Mac and iTunes/Music. Whereas, the big selling point of AP2 was multiple speakers at the same time.

Since it works fine on the Mac it seems to me that it is a limitation of iOS/iPadOS, not AP1. Granted, AP1 has lots of other limitations, so I'm not too concerned about phasing it out.

But that's still not fun having to replace speakers when the cheapest brand new AP2 speaker seems to be the $99 Homepod Mini.

That's why I've stockpiled Airport Express, I think I have about 14 now.

There is finally another option in the Belkin AP2 Adapter:

It has digital optical out, but lacks Ethernet, so it is not quite a replacement.

I recently bought a couple IKEA Sonos Symfonisk AP2 speakers, which are quite decent for the price, but of course still in HomePod mini cost territory:


(They have Ethernet!)

Need pencil?

Had one, but my handwriting was too bad for iPadOS to grasp what I was writing.

So yes, it would be nice, but doesn't work for me.

Need to hold in bed or sofa?

Who has a problem using a MacBook on a sofa? Personally, I've been using them in bed since before they were called MacBooks. It's fine. (For bed I do prefer an iPhone or an iPad, though.)

Need Touch Screen?

Given a choice I'll take full functionality over a touch screen any day.

Need accelerometer?

Not really.

Need portrait mode?

Yep, a flick of the wrist spins my 3840x2160 display to portrait. It's great for reading.

Much better than any iPad.

Need better than a 720 camera that only faces the user?

Absolutely. My webcam is an EOS 5D with a EF 24-105mm f/4L IS lens, it is so much better than any iPad pinhole camera.

Need Lidar?

I don't think so.

Need Pro Motion?

I would really like to have ProMotion, but not at the expense of full functionality.

Need Cellular?

Yes, I'd love it if all Macs had a cellular modem, but I do always have some (admittedly clunkier) solution for cellular connectivity available.

Speaking of cellular, how stupid is it that iPadOS will tell you "you cannot do this or that until you are on wifi", forcing one to share a cellular connection from one device to a Mac over Bluetooth or USB and then share that over wifi to the iPad tricking it into thinking it is on "normal" wifi and not cellular? Another big fat limitation.

The whole point I have been trying to make is that the iPad has the potential to be so much better, so you wouldn't actually have to make many of these tradeoffs.
 
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I keep hearing that…

Why is it a mediocre tablet?

I love my iPad, but , I might consider moving to something more convetional, mostly out of curiosity… It seems windows doesnt work for touch first right? Since, iPad is moving very closely to laptop teritory (I just discussed if there are any real things iPad cant do already), and… well.. for me it seems to sort of be a main computer already, but
i am always opet to new things
I would say because iPads exist. Windows in it's core is a very old system and Microsoft tries to merge a touch interface into that mess since Windows 8 now.

Windows 8 was a bold move and departure. It failed miserably. So they returned to a desktop first environment. It's a desktop system that can be used with a touch screen. That's not what an iPad is about.


I also want my iPad to get a better OS, all the power is still very much restricted by the apps. But games like Divinity 2 show that there is a market for demanding software, so I'll just hope that both Apple and developers keep pushing forward.
 

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Who has a problem using a MacBook on a sofa? Personally, I've been using them in bed since before they were called MacBooks. It's fine. (For bed I do prefer an iPhone or an iPad, though.)
I never liked it. Or at least, the stuff I would use an iPad for while on the bed or sofa would be far more cumbersome to do on a laptop, like browsing the web
Speaking of cellular, how stupid is it that iPadOS will tell you "you cannot do this or that until you are on wifi", forcing one to share a cellular connection from one device to a Mac over Bluetooth or USB and then share that over wifi to the iPad tricking it into thinking it is on "normal" wifi and not cellular? Another big fat limitation.
Believe it or not, that was the one feature I was thankful to have on my iPad. For a while many years ago, I carried along a mobile router with me, and I would take photos and videos on my iPhone, and then those photos would sync over to my MBA and chew up my data cap in a heartbeat the moment I connected it to wifi. I would later discover an app called Tripmode to throttle certain functions over wifi.

It's also what led me to subsequently purchase iPads with cellular capability. The limitations may be frustrating to some, but Apple made the right call here for me.
 

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The whole point I have been trying to make is that the iPad has the potential to be so much better, so you wouldn't actually have to make many of these tradeoffs.
I’m interested to know what these trade offs are, in your mind? Is it that you’re a programmer or need terminal or to torrent a great deal - or simply the apps you require aren’t available on the platform?

I find nowadays my mac is the thing with the trade offs. I only use it due to Lightroom Classic being unavailable on the iPad really. I would always still have a mac as I like them, but really my mac has become just another an app on my iPad. Works great!

I’m definitely iPad first though. I just don’t find myself as productive or able to do the same things on my Mac.
 
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