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satchmo

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For me, the answer would be no.

When it’s time for me to do anything work related or for school, I’m running my laptop or MacBook hooked up to my flat screen monitor for a second screen. I’m using applications that are not designed for iOS.

My 2010 MBP is on it's last legs, but I'm not blown away by Apple's current laptops...
I'm more impressed with what they're doing with the iPads, and their renewed upgrades to their iMacs.

So I'm toying with the idea of going iPad Pro and iMac as a setup.
And with interesting apps like Astropad, you can use any Mac application on your iPad.

Any real heavy lifting apps would still be done on an iMac, but most basic stuff can be done on an iPad.
The addition of a folder system in iOS 11 certainly has peaked my interest.
 

naturalstar

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My 2010 MBP is on it's last legs, but I'm not blown away by Apple's current laptops...
I'm more impressed with what they're doing with the iPads, and their renewed upgrades to their iMacs.

So I'm toying with the idea of going iPad Pro and iMac as a setup.
And with interesting apps like Astropad, you can use any Mac application on your iPad.

Any real heavy lifting apps would still be done on an iMac, but most basic stuff can be done on an iPad.
The addition of a folder system in iOS 11 certainly has peaked my interest.

I should look closer at the new iPad Pros. I am still enjoying my Air 2, so maybe next year. Right now, I need, or prefer, to use the Windows versions of the software I use the most, so I just hook up my Asus laptop most times. Between work and school, it’s just easier.

I like what you presented though, especially with Astropad. I’ve wanted an iMac for a while, but with not using my MacBook as often, it wouldn’t make sense right now.
 
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oldhifi

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I should look closer at the new iPad Pros. I am still enjoying my Air 2, so maybe next year. Right now, I need, or prefer, to use the Windows versions of the software I use the most, so I just hook up my Asus laptop most times. Between work and school, it’s just easier.

I like what you presented though, especially with Astropad. I’ve wanted an iMac for a while, but with not using my MacBook as often, it wouldn’t make sense right now.

If you buy a 53 pencil or Bamboo stylus they have there own drawing apps and are free..
 
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Macintoshrumors

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I use my 10.5 with ask and the pencil for pretty much everything now. I use my Mac for video editing and bitcoin wallet management. At this point in my life I really have no use for a Mac besides fcpx. I also have a mini 4 which is the perfect size for media consumption in bed.
 

iPadDad

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Not even close.

Some of the reasons:

Websites the land you on on the mobile version with reduced functionality and don’t have an option to going to the desktop version.

File operations- reduced functionality.

In general, slower operation for many tasks, you have to jump though hoops and have 3rd party apps to say, download, unzip a file, grab something inside, open it in word, export it to pdf and mail it.

Did I say common tasks are slower?

Controlling a laptop is faster. Trackpad, pointer is more accurate, more gestures are available.

Larger screens on laptops.

Pro Apps that are not available on the iPad.

You are living in the past man, you need to get with the times!

- IOS is more progressive and secure than MacOS by a million miles,
- “Request Desktop Site” gives you full functionality, if you are still battling use one of the billion apps like Puffin etc.
- “reduced functionality” what else do you need? Why do you want such unessasary complexity for your files? Simplicity is the way of the future.
- “open it in word, export it to pdf and mail it“ these are done intuitively and are the simplest of tasks on iPad?!?
- “common tasks are slower” this is simply not true!, take the most common task (controling the cursor) for example, you have to manipulate a secondary device like a mouse or track pad just to move the cursor to where you want it to go, on iPad you don’t have to do any of this... u simply touch the screen.
- “Trackpad, pointer is more accurate, more gestures are available“, you need a cursor because of the software design, you talk about “more gestures”, gestures are nice aren’t they because its intuitive and its touch, with iOS you can make gestures virtually on the software itself and you don’t need to memorize as many.
- Autocad, Affinity Photo, Numbers, Pages, Keynote, Office, these are Pro.

IPad and iOS feels like the future, Steve Jobs, Tim Cook & Apple say it too. An easy way to tell is to simply look at the younger generation and see what they are adopting and want to work on and the answers are right there.

IPad and iOS are;

- easier and more intuitive to use
- more secure
- more versatile
- better App Store
- talks better to the device you carry around with you most
- better cameras
- better battery life
- doesn’t require WiFi

If you could, why would you want to do your computing on anything else?
 
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ignatius345

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Plop down on the couch and try to use it on your lap with a keyboard case. There's your answer as to whether it's a "laptop replacement". And let's not even get into the weird gyrations you have to do to touch the screen constantly.
 

Brammy

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Plop down on the couch and try to use it on your lap with a keyboard case. There's your answer as to whether it's a "laptop replacement". And let's not even get into the weird gyrations you have to do to touch the screen constantly.
I use my iPad Pro in my lap all the time with my Apple Smart Keyboard.
 
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Brammy

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Until the File App works similarly to Finder and not just a rebadged iCloud Drive then no... IMHO

So, I'm not being snarky, but what is missing from the Finder that you would consider to be crucial on an iPad. For me, the only things are understanding what to do with .zip files, and being able to specify the app a file should open in.

Edit to add: understanding external drive storage as well.
 
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ignatius345

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I use my iPad Pro in my lap all the time with my Apple Smart Keyboard.
Yeah, I'm not saying you can't balance it on your lap somehow, but it's flimsy. A true clamshell laptop does this very smoothly and a tablet/case hybrid... doesn't.
 

Brammy

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Yeah, I'm not saying you can't balance it on your lap somehow, but it's flimsy. A true clamshell laptop does this very smoothly and a tablet/case hybrid... doesn't.
I’ve got the 12.9”, which may make a difference if your data point is a 10.5.

For giggles I’m typing this reply on the ASK on my lap on the couch. It doesn’t feel that flimsy, and my typing accuracy is down just from the different angle than I am used to.
 
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DoubleFlyaway

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I’ve got the 12.9”, which may make a difference if your data point is a 10.5.

For giggles I’m typing this reply on the ASK on my lap on the couch. It doesn’t feel that flimsy, and my typing accuracy is down just from the different angle than I am used to.

I’ve just had the 12.9 for a week, with the idea of not having to travel with my laptop anymore (my significant other lives overseas, and I usually don’t check a bag), and I’m thrilled so far. I agree... typing on my lap with the ASK feels perfectly stable (I’m doing it right now). I also thought the lack of a mouse might bother me, but it really doesn’t. I have had the problem once where my space key and “h” stopped working. A reboot of the iPad fixed it, but seriously... that shouldn’t happen. Overall, my impression so far of the keyboard is very favorable. I would love backlit keys, but I really, really love how thin and lightweight this thing is.

My work right now is online teaching people to take the LSAT... basically video chat with a whiteboard. For that, this setup is more streamlined than my laptop + Wacom tablet. I probably won’t sell my MBP... but I think it is essentially becoming a rarely used desktop, and the 12.9 iPad is my new laptop. I travel a lot... one of the benefits of working online, and I’m very excited about this new setup. I’ve also got my iPad Air 2 still, which I use a lot while working on the 12.9, for reference materials that I have as eBooks, as well as other PDFs.

(I have also used my iPad Air 2 with a dumb stylus for work on trips where I was only working a little, but it was always a bit limiting... the screen space just a bit too small for comfort when white-boarding, and having to look at materials on my phone. So this 12.9 really is the perfect solution for me.)
 

Brammy

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I’ve just had the 12.9 for a week, with the idea of not having to travel with my laptop anymore (my significant other lives overseas, and I usually don’t check a bag), and I’m thrilled so far. I agree... typing on my lap with the ASK feels perfectly stable (I’m doing it right now). I also thought the lack of a mouse might bother me, but it really doesn’t. I have had the problem once where my space key and “h” stopped working. A reboot of the iPad fixed it, but seriously... that shouldn’t happen. Overall, my impression so far of the keyboard is very favorable. I would love backlit keys, but I really, really love how thin and lightweight this thing is.

My work right now is online teaching people to take the LSAT... basically video chat with a whiteboard. For that, this setup is more streamlined than my laptop + Wacom tablet. I probably won’t sell my MBP... but I think it is essentially becoming a rarely used desktop, and the 12.9 iPad is my new laptop. I travel a lot... one of the benefits of working online, and I’m very excited about this new setup. I’ve also got my iPad Air 2 still, which I use a lot while working on the 12.9, for reference materials that I have as eBooks, as well as other PDFs.

(I have also used my iPad Air 2 with a dumb stylus for work on trips where I was only working a little, but it was always a bit limiting... the screen space just a bit too small for comfort when white-boarding, and having to look at materials on my phone. So this 12.9 really is the perfect solution for me.)
Popping the keyboard off and on again usually fixes the space bar issue for me.
 
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trusso

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Tablets will never be laptop replacements, simple as that.

You can do some creative work on an iPad, I grant you. But until we get a full-blown OS on a tablet, it's essentially a device designed for consumption. The day you can run shell commands on your iPad is the day Apple can claim it's a laptop replacement. Until then, it's just a lot of marketing B.S.

As for the Microsoft Surface line, I consider those to be touch-screen laptops. I've used them; they're a solid product, in my opinion; but not really my cup of tea. I prefer the guts of my laptop to be nestled under the keyboard, not the display. ;)
 

iPadDad

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Popping the keyboard off and on again usually fixes the space bar issue for me.

Me too,
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I’ve just had the 12.9 for a week, with the idea of not having to travel with my laptop anymore (my significant other lives overseas, and I usually don’t check a bag), and I’m thrilled so far. I agree... typing on my lap with the ASK feels perfectly stable (I’m doing it right now). I also thought the lack of a mouse might bother me, but it really doesn’t. I have had the problem once where my space key and “h” stopped working. A reboot of the iPad fixed it, but seriously... that shouldn’t happen. Overall, my impression so far of the keyboard is very favorable. I would love backlit keys, but I really, really love how thin and lightweight this thing is.

My work right now is online teaching people to take the LSAT... basically video chat with a whiteboard. For that, this setup is more streamlined than my laptop + Wacom tablet. I probably won’t sell my MBP... but I think it is essentially becoming a rarely used desktop, and the 12.9 iPad is my new laptop. I travel a lot... one of the benefits of working online, and I’m very excited about this new setup. I’ve also got my iPad Air 2 still, which I use a lot while working on the 12.9, for reference materials that I have as eBooks, as well as other PDFs.

(I have also used my iPad Air 2 with a dumb stylus for work on trips where I was only working a little, but it was always a bit limiting... the screen space just a bit too small for comfort when white-boarding, and having to look at materials on my phone. So this 12.9 really is the perfect solution for me.)

Nice, thanks for sharing, I would also imagine the iPad Pro camera’s for online teaching are a huge upgrade over your MBP, and the advantage of cellular.

I am loving the keyboard shortcuts, like Spotlight search (command - Space) & go to home screen (command H), I very rarely swipe to find apps on the screen any more with spotlight search, it is just so much faster!. I am also loving running two apps at once with iMessage in slide over for staff messages etc. Sometimes I will have Mail & OmniFocus running in split view with iMessage in slide over, with FaceTime in Picture in Picture on the bottom left of the screen all at once, and it doesn’t feel cluttered.

Loving the new 12’9 inch Pro!!!
 
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mcpryon2

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It's still not even close for me. I do a lot of video and audio editing on my MBP that I can't do similarly on my iPad Pro.

The keyboard thing on your lap.

I use the old Apple Wireless keyboard and a Magic Keyboard with my 12.9" Pro, which I really like, but when I'm writing I don't like having to stop and reach up to tap and try to get the spot I want vs just doing it quickly with a trackpad or mouse.

I usually use six spaces on my MBP or Mac Pro and flip between them with a quick keyboard shortcut, though I can command+tab pretty quickly between apps on the iPad, so I can give it that one.

I mainly use my iPad Pro for drawing and handwriting notes...and watching Netflix while I work on my other computers.

I really like my iOS devices and my MacOS devices, but they aren't for the same tasks for me.
 

maflynn

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Until the File App works similarly to Finder and not just a rebadged iCloud Drive then no... IMHO
Yeah, I was disappointed in how limiting that is. Still even then, its hard for an iPad to reach the level of utility that the laptop offers, whether we're talking desktop class apps, multitasking, superior input or storage. The iPad as for 2017 just cannot compete.

That doesn't mean people cannot use the iPad in place of a laptop, many do, as witnessed by this thread, but from an overall perspective the laptop has more to offer then the iPad.
 

sracer

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Tablets will never be laptop replacements, simple as that.
Only if there were universally accepted definitions of what functions tablets perform and what functions laptops perform... which there aren't.


Yeah, I was disappointed in how limiting that is.
I too was disappointed by how limited "Files" is but not surprised. Given the architectural limitations of iOS, it was not possible for Apple to do more than what they did.


Still even then, its hard for an iPad to reach the level of utility that the laptop offers, whether we're talking desktop class apps, multitasking, superior input or storage. The iPad as for 2017 just cannot compete.
Some of those limitations are hardware-specific, some are OS-specific, and still others are philosophically driven... some a combination of all 3.

In my assessment, most of what prevents the iPad from getting closer to laptop level (without compromising the tablet form-factor) is nothing more than Apple's philosophy. Things like physical pointing devices, removable media, support for peripherals are not technical hurdles... but deliberate decisions.


That doesn't mean people cannot use the iPad in place of a laptop, many do, as witnessed by this thread, but from an overall perspective the laptop has more to offer then the iPad.
It's sad that this needs to keep being repeated. People generally tend to fall into one of the all-or-nothing extremes.
 
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subjonas

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Whichever mod removed my post for being “quote only”, my responses were written inside of the quote in bold (and it took me quite a while to write). Is that not allowed? If so, please advise on a straightforward way to respond to many points within one post.
 

mad cow disease

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The implementation of office suite and Google docs on iOS is abysmal at best. Files is a joke, I can't open a Word document without "copying" it to word, and then saving another copy. So to open a file I need to perform at least three different tasks. The built-in PDF viewer in the files app is a joke, it keeps on crashing (it flicks back to the first page of the PDF) and doesn't save any of my markups half the time. I can't save half of the files I need to download from websites, like HTML documents.

iOS 11 is screwy and I get all kinds of graphics artifacts. For example, pulling up the dock sometimes doesn't work completely and the home screen remains in full focus. I've actually had a situation where I had to reset the thing because the onscreen keyboard wouldn't hide.

It's pretty screwy, despite having four gigs of memory it doesn't really allow me to flip between 2-3 apps without having to relaunch them. Very hard to use.

PDF markup is great with OTHER apps, and this is an incredibly convenient package for taking notes and carrying around textbooks as as student, but honestly I expected better from Apple. There are way too many UI issues for this to be called a laptop "replacement." I'm actually in the market for a Macbook now because it is unsuitable as a replacement for a laptop.
 
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Sasha-1

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Just wondering do you guys believe the iPad pro is officially a laptop replacement yet. Would you still prefer some mouse support and how is the Files application since updating to iOS 11? I noticed there is a Chrome OS looking dock on iOS 11 now...is that working well?

I don’t think the iPad Pro is a laptop replacement, but it does do a lot of what I need. When it comes to just pure writing, I see no reason to use something other than the iPad. I like the virtual keyboard myself, but I have a keyboard cover as well, which is Russian/English.

The files app is a step in the right direction but could use more features. Sort my type and date for example. And right now, Microsoft’s Office apps do not have direct save into iCloud. Files isn’t yet universal.

If you use the Pencil then I feel the iPad beats the MacBook Pro. The Pencil with apps such as Concepts is pretty nice. The pencil is actually impressive. It’s the best stylus I’ve used to date. Very responsive. The high refresh rate of the iPad Pro combined with the pencil is excellent.

A mouse is still easier to use for complex tasks. The iPad Pro isn’t on par with a laptop which has a local file system and access to network shares. It really depends on your use-case.
 

CjonesHouston

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I’ve just had the 12.9 for a week, with the idea of not having to travel with my laptop anymore (my significant other lives overseas, and I usually don’t check a bag), and I’m thrilled so far. I agree... typing on my lap with the ASK feels perfectly stable (I’m doing it right now). I also thought the lack of a mouse might bother me, but it really doesn’t. I have had the problem once where my space key and “h” stopped working. A reboot of the iPad fixed it, but seriously... that shouldn’t happen. Overall, my impression so far of the keyboard is very favorable. I would love backlit keys, but I really, really love how thin and lightweight this thing is.

My work right now is online teaching people to take the LSAT... basically video chat with a whiteboard. For that, this setup is more streamlined than my laptop + Wacom tablet. I probably won’t sell my MBP... but I think it is essentially becoming a rarely used desktop, and the 12.9 iPad is my new laptop. I travel a lot... one of the benefits of working online, and I’m very excited about this new setup. I’ve also got my iPad Air 2 still, which I use a lot while working on the 12.9, for reference materials that I have as eBooks, as well as other PDFs.

(I have also used my iPad Air 2 with a dumb stylus for work on trips where I was only working a little, but it was always a bit limiting... the screen space just a bit too small for comfort when white-boarding, and having to look at materials on my phone. So this 12.9 really is the perfect solution for me.)
What’s a ASK?
 
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