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CjonesHouston

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Lol. Okay. I thought it was something I didn’t have. That I needed to buy.
[doublepost=1511315992][/doublepost]I own a iMac , MacBook 12, iPad Pro 12.9 , iPad Mini 4 and just recently purchased a 10.5 iPad Pro. For my needs I use my iPad Pro daily. My iMac is used by my kids and family on a weekly basis. My MacBook only gets used when I have to do work related online programs that requires a Real Computer. I rarely use anything but my iPad Pro with ASK. For most a iPad Pro is all you would need. I probably will buy a new Mac every 5-10 years now but I will upgrade my iPad Pro every 2-3 years. Apple has continued to make the iPad Pro a computer replacement. It’s not there fully for me yet but it’s not far from that now.
 

DoubleFlyaway

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Yeah.. I haven’t opened my MBP since I got the iPad Pro. There is one problem I’m running into having to do with some data from a website I want to cut and paste into Numbers/Excel/Google Whatever that is losing all of its formatting... and I actually don’t know if I would have that problem on MBP, but I have so been not feeling like dealing with it that way that I instead contacted the website to ask whether there was a way they could make the data available to export. :) Which it turns out they are getting quite a few requests for, so we have been going back and forth with regard to exactly what data I want and what I do with it. (It’s for simgym, which is like fantasy football but for NCAA gymnastics.)
 

sracer

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The implementation of office suite and Google docs on iOS is abysmal at best. Files is a joke, I can't open a Word document without "copying" it to word, and then saving another copy. So to open a file I need to perform at least three different tasks. The built-in PDF viewer in the files app is a joke, it keeps on crashing (it flicks back to the first page of the PDF) and doesn't save any of my markups half the time. I can't save half of the files I need to download from websites, like HTML documents.
Those are serious issues that prevent the iPad from moving to the next level in productivity. But it isn't new. Before Files in iOS 11, it was Documents by Readdle. Many would suggest that as the "missing file manager". But both Documents and Files are essentially the same. Unless Apple does away with sandboxed file spaces, this issue will remain.

I gave Files a try. It actually made things MORE frustrating for me. I wasn't surprised by that because Documents was annoying to me and since they're the same, the same result was expected. This is probably because Files LOOKS like it could/should do more than it does.

I have found that the most straight-forward workflow for working with files is to access them from the cloud. That is what chromebooks do (in addition to having local storage)... and they do that better. And having to dumb down i.e. simplify my documents to be able to use the latest version of iWork (for macOS / iOS cross platform support), I'm finding that Google Docs/Sheets/Slides does that better as well.

That has caused me to consider if Apple is incrementally working to morph the iPad into their version of a chromebook.


iOS 11 is screwy and I get all kinds of graphics artifacts. For example, pulling up the dock sometimes doesn't work completely and the home screen remains in full focus. I've actually had a situation where I had to reset the thing because the onscreen keyboard wouldn't hide.
That does not sound like the typical experience for iOS 11. If you haven't done so already, you might want to wipe it out and set that iPad up as new. On those few occasions over the years when I've experienced something similar, I've wiped the device out, set up as new, (not restoring anything), and manually reinstalling and syncing data.
 

mk313

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The implementation of office suite and Google docs on iOS is abysmal at best. Files is a joke, I can't open a Word document without "copying" it to word, and then saving another copy. So to open a file I need to perform at least three different tasks.

If you sync your Microsoft Office documents to dropbox, you can edit them in Office without having to import the file every time. You just open it from dropbox, & then hit the edit in Word/Excel/PPT button. I wish this worked in iCloud as well, but for now, I just save my office docs to dropbox, as it's a much better implementation.
 
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Brammy

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Files is a joke, I can't open a Word document without "copying" it to word, and then saving another copy.

This one isn't directly on Apple. Office has never fully supported iCloud Drive. I tend to store my Word files in Drobox. Dropbox at least plays nice with the Files app and Office can open and save there natively.
 

BenTrovato

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Multitasking still isn't there. I have 3-4 windows open doing different things. I work very quickly with many programs open so maybe my situation isn't like others. When I travel, the iPad becomes the main device and I live with its shortcomings.

It will be very cool when the iPad can have many windows open and it looks good on the screen and you can do as you wish. Files is another deal breaker. I would put lack of ethernet as a big minus.
 
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sparksd

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Multitasking still isn't there. I have 3-4 windows open doing different things. I work very quickly with many programs open so maybe my situation isn't like others. When I travel, the iPad becomes the main device and I live with its shortcomings.

It will be very cool when the iPad can have many windows open and it looks good on the screen and you can do as you wish. Files is another deal breaker. I would put lack of ethernet as a big minus.

I don't think I'd put lack of Ethernet as a big minus - most new laptops don't have it, either. Just as with the laptops, there are solutions available for the iPad - Lightning to RJ45 adapters and wireless FileHubs with Ethernet connectivity (RAVPower). I take a FileHub with me traveling as I've run into places where wireless is either poor or unavailable but a wired connection is available. Native Ethernet on portable devices is fast becoming nonexistent.
 

canesalato

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So, I'm not being snarky, but what is missing from the Finder that you would consider to be crucial on an iPad. For me, the only things are understanding what to do with .zip files, and being able to specify the app a file should open in.

Edit to add: understanding external drive storage as well.
That’s already three big things. I would add :
- Deciding which folders are stored locally and which stay in the cloud. I keep downloading the same files that get purged for some freaking reason while I have >100GB of free space. Maddening!
- Tabs!
- Batch renaming
- navigating with keyboard
- folder sharing, including Airdrop!
- video in the background
- viewing pictures by swiping between them (right now, to see the next picture, you have to exit the first one and open the new picture...something which had been working since iOS1...but not in Files, for some reason)
- more...
-bugs, including crashes
 
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Brammy

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Tabs!
- Batch renaming
- navigating with keyboard
- folder sharing, including Airdrop!
- video in the background
- viewing pictures by swiping between them (right now, to see the next picture, you have to exit the first one and open the new picture...something which had been working since iOS1...but not in Files, for some reason)
- more...
-bugs, including crashes

With the exception of batch renaming, yes, I agree with you. Batch renaming isn't something I do enough for it to be a hill I die on.

I think a lot of this we will get to. Files is a big improvement to the iCloud Drive app so hopefully iOS 12 will bring some improvements.
 

canesalato

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With the exception of batch renaming, yes, I agree with you. Batch renaming isn't something I do enough for it to be a hill I die on.

I think a lot of this we will get to. Files is a big improvement to the iCloud Drive app so hopefully iOS 12 will bring some improvements.
I understand your point of view on batch renaming. It’s not a big deal for most people.
However for people like me, who work with a lot of files it can be a dealbreaking feature. In my case, it is one of the reasons why the mac finder is so much more flexible and powerful. But everybody has different needs and I share your hopes for iOS12. =)
Files in iOS11 has potential, but feels rushed to me, even when considering stability.
 

oldmacs

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If you could, why would you want to do your computing on anything else?

Because a lot of tasks beyond the basic consumer tasks are more convoluted on the iPad. iOS 11 is getting there but its still not quite there yet.
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Files in iOS11 has potential, but feels rushed to me, even when considering stability.

I agree. Its getting there but not quite there. A lot better than the old iCloud Drive, but still lacking things. I would like to be able to auto download stuff instead of manually having to download every time.

An API for external storage would be fantastic.


One of the biggest lacking things in iOS IMHO is search. Spotlight on the Mac is a million times better.
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Multitasking still isn't there. I have 3-4 windows open doing different things. I work very quickly with many programs open so maybe my situation isn't like others. When I travel, the iPad becomes the main device and I live with its shortcomings.

Agreed. To be multitasking in iOS 11 was 2 steps forward and 1 back.
 
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Because a lot of tasks beyond the basic consumer tasks are more convoluted on the iPad. iOS 11 is getting there but its still not quite there yet.
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I agree. Its getting there but not quite there. A lot better than the old iCloud Drive, but still lacking things. I would like to be able to auto download stuff instead of manually having to download every time.
In the long term, the biggest challange for the iPad will be its close ecosystem. A production device needs flexibility. Even if iOS catches up with MacOS in terms lf features, even Mac OS will always miss some features for some users. And that’s ok, because on the Mac you can extend and expand your system in ways beyond what Apple originally expected, which gives MacOS an incredible flexibility as a production operating system. I think a software ecosystem controlled by a single company is ok on a phone or a secondary device. It could be ok on my MAIN device. On my only computer? I think it’s a bit creepy. I’m aware this statement is controversial here, just my personal opinion
 

everythingapplerainbow

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Not even close.

Some of the reasons:

Websites the land you on on the mobile version with reduced functionality and don’t have an option to going to the desktop version.

File operations- reduced functionality.

In general, slower operation for many tasks, you have to jump though hoops and have 3rd party apps to say, download, unzip a file, grab something inside, open it in word, export it to pdf and mail it.

Did I say common tasks are slower?

Controlling a laptop is faster. Trackpad, pointer is more accurate, more gestures are available.

Larger screens on laptops.

Pro Apps that are not available on the iPad.
there are things in iPad that is more productive than a Mac, including drag-n-drop.
But unless Apple bringing their Final Cut & Xcode to iPad, no other pro apps will come.
 

Macalicious2011

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One thing that hasn't been touched on is ergonomics.

It's much more relaxing to move a mouse than lifting your arm and tapping. I couldn't see myself working on the iPad for 8.5 hours. Not to mention the small screen on the iPad. Sue the 12 inch is larger, but is small compared with a 15-21 inch screen.
 
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Tablets cannot replace laptops in their current form. If Tim Cook can walk the talk, he needs to pull all Macbooks and iMacs from Apple store and sell only iPads because according to him, iPads have already replaced the stone age technology like MBPs and iMacs.

C++, or whatever language the hipsters/developers are using to code these days needs to be ported ASAP to iOS and developers should be blacklisted if usage of legacy device like bluetooth keyboard is detected.
Image editing to be done with our thick fingers only.

Further Tim Cook should formally announce that macOS has been discontinued.

Can Apple do this? No.
Tim Cook is like a trained robot who will only speak what he has been pre-programmed by Jobs.
 
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dmantziaras

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I use my iPad Pro in my lap all the time with my Apple Smart Keyboard.

Please allow me another question...
I am trying to send video to APPLE TV (so as to play on my TV) and send the sound to a Bluetooth Speaker (so as to hear the sound of the video playing, not by my TV but by my Speaker)... and I have managed to do so through the Sound Preferences of my MAC BOOK PRO...
Is this possible by an iPhone or an iPad?
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Hello. I am trying to send video to APPLE TV (so as to play on my TV) and send the sound to a Bluetooth Speaker (so as to hear the sound of the video playing, not by my TV but by my Speaker)... and I have managed to do so through the Sound Preferences of my MAC BOOK PRO...
Is this possible by an iPhone or an iPad?
 

turbineseaplane

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I'm a strong Mac advocate but for me mostly what's missing is optional mouse support for an iPad to be a perfectly great laptop replacement.

It wouldn't be my only machine, but paired with a mouse and keyboard it would be a gem of a travel device.

I really wish they'd allow Mouse through a buried accessibility option.
When I had BTC mouse/KB on iOS 9 JB it made my iPad a dream machine.
 
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Brammy

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I am trying to send video to APPLE TV (so as to play on my TV) and send the sound to a Bluetooth Speaker (so as to hear the sound of the video playing, not by my TV but by my Speaker)... and I have managed to do so through the Sound Preferences of my MAC BOOK PRO...
Is this possible by an iPhone or an iPad?

I don’t know. I don’t own an Apple TV or any Bluetooth speakers to test out.
 

kristalsoldier

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My approach to the iPad - particularly the 10.5 IPP - has been to focus on its obvious strengths mapped to my specific requirements.

My work involves three basic activities: reading, writing, and research (online and archival). I also give presentations, deliver briefings etc. In addition to this, of course, I use mail, some social media platforms (forums, Reddit, Whatsapp, Telegram, Instagram but not Facebook). I also have my share of music and movies/ videos.

When I say my work involves "writing", I mean writing anything from 6000-word policy briefs to 300-page research monographs and everything that falls in-between. "Reading" means reading/ note-taking/ annotating documents of varying lengths and complexities - usually PDFs, Word, Excel, PPT files and now also ePUB/ MOBI.

I have to say that I don't relish the idea of banging out a research monograph of, say, 200 pages with extensive footnotes, reference notes, bibliography, appendix etc. on the Smart Keyboard. For me its a matter of comfort. What about the good BT keyboards? Yes, I have tried a few but I wasn't really comfortable. I have to add that I come from using the classic ThinkPads and am used to their excellent keyboards (I fondly remember my X201!!). This, to me, represents one of the weaknesses of the iPad (in my case, the IPP 10.5).

But what about the "strength" of the IPP relative to my work?

Well, I have a large personal library (5000+ books), which constitutes the core of my research assets. For me, the strength of the IPP is in its ability to offer me access to a large percentage of this library plus other online materials in a package that (1) is very convenient for me to handle (2) with an AR that is "just perfect" (3) an inking experience that is sharp and superbly responsive (4) a device that enables me (in conjunction with a cloud service (O365+ OneDrive) and a data connection) to be mobile (5) battery life, super screen, and lovely device profile.

Sure, the IPP has its negatives - lack of file management is one. But there seem to be emergent alternatives like that Documents app (Readdle) and of course the Files app.

As such, it is a "perfect" fit between my primary computing device and my phone. In other words, the IPP gives me my ideal digital notebook/ reading device. I say this having used in the past an Android tablet (Acer A500), the Surface RT 1 &2, the iPad 4 and Air, the Surface 3 (non pro but with the Pen). All of these devices were good in some ways, but none really suited my purpose. Of course the iPads and the A500 did not have inking capabilities and the S3 was good - very good in fact, but there were issues like progressive yellowing of screen, battery erosion and eventually, it fell and the screen cracked. I mention this only to reiterate that my hunt for that till-now elusive "ideal" digital notebook has been a longstanding one and it has allowed me the pleasure to use and experience a variety of devices and ecosystems.

But, I am clear about one thing: The IPP cannot replace my primary device, which currently is a Surface Pro 4, which I connect - using the Surface dock - to a set of external monitors and HDDs. As such, it functions as my "desktop" device. The new KB is excellent and I am saying this being a fan of the classic ThinkPad KBs. It also allows me to swiftly unplug my SP4 and, in effect, carry it with me.

It is worth reiterating that while the IPP cannot replace the SP4 (for me), it is nevertheless, an indispensable part of my set up. As I have mentioned above, it is really "a perfect fit".

In effect, therefore, while on the move, I carry a relatively slim and lightweight package consisting of my SP4 (with KB attached), the IPP (with ASC attached) and my phone. It also means that I am, in effect, carrying with me my "office files" (lodged both on the SP4 and on One Drive), my precious library, and my communications and data-sharing device.

Reminds me of the question Steve Jobs had posed when he unveiled the iPad. Jobs had asked, “Is there room for a third category of device in the middle?” It looks like, for me, the answer is a resounding yes!
 
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sparksd

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My approach to the iPad - particularly the 10.5 IPP - has been to focus on its obvious strengths mapped to my specific requirements.

My work involves three basic activities: reading, writing, and research (online and archival). I also give presentations, deliver briefings etc. In addition to this, of course, I use mail, some social media platforms (forums, Reddit, Whatsapp, Telegram, Instagram but not Facebook). I also have my share of music and movies/ videos.

When I say my work involves "writing", I mean writing anything from 6000-word policy briefs to 300-page research monographs and everything that falls in-between. "Reading" means reading/ note-taking/ annotating documents of varying lengths and complexities - usually PDFs, Word, Excel, PPT files and now also ePUB/ MOBI.

I have to say that I don't relish the idea of banging out a research monograph of, say, 200 pages with extensive footnotes, reference notes, bibliography, appendix etc. on the Smart Keyboard. For me its a matter of comfort. What about the good BT keyboards? Yes, I have tried a few but I wasn't really comfortable. I have to add that I come from using the classic ThinkPads and am used to their excellent keyboards (I fondly remember my X201!!). This, to me, represents one of the weaknesses of the iPad (in my case, the IPP 10.5).

But what about the "strength" of the IPP relative to my work?

Well, I have a large personal library (5000+ books), which constitutes the core of my research assets. For me, the strength of the IPP is in its ability to offer me access to a large percentage of this library plus other online materials in a package that (1) is very convenient for me to handle (2) with an AR that is "just perfect" (3) an inking experience that is sharp and superbly responsive (4) a device that enables me (in conjunction with a cloud service (O365+ OneDrive) and a data connection) to be mobile (5) battery life, super screen, and lovely device profile.

Sure, the IPP has its negatives - lack of file management is one. But there seem to be emergent alternatives like that Documents app (Readdle) and of course the Files app.

As such, it is a "perfect" fit between my primary computing device and my phone. In other words, the IPP gives me my ideal digital notebook/ reading device. I say this having used in the past an Android tablet (Acer A500), the Surface RT 1 &2, the iPad 4 and Air, the Surface 3 (non pro but with the Pen). All of these devices were good in some ways, but none really suited my purpose. Of course the iPads and the A500 did not have inking capabilities and the S3 was good - very good in fact, but there were issues like progressive yellowing of screen, battery erosion and eventually, it fell and the screen cracked. I mention this only to reiterate that my hunt for that till-now elusive "ideal" digital notebook has been a longstanding one and it has allowed me the pleasure to use and experience a variety of devices and ecosystems.

But, I am clear about one thing: The IPP cannot replace my primary device, which currently is a Surface Pro 4, which I connect - using the Surface dock - to a set of external monitors and HDDs. As such, it functions as my "desktop" device. The new KB is excellent and I am saying this being a fan of the classic ThinkPad KBs. It also allows me to swiftly unplug my SP4 and, in effect, carry it with me.

It is worth reiterating that while the IPP cannot replace the SP4 (for me), it is nevertheless, an indispensable part of my set up. As I have mentioned above, it is really "a perfect fit".

In effect, therefore, while on the move, I carry a relatively slim and lightweight package consisting of my SP4 (with KB attached), the IPP (with ASC attached) and my phone. It also means that I am, in effect, carrying with me my "office files" (lodged both on the SP4 and on One Drive), my precious library, and my communications and data-sharing device.

Great writeup. An iPad can replace a laptop for some people but for many it is what you described - another valuable tool in a digital toolbelt.
 
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turbineseaplane

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Great writeup. An iPad can replace a laptop for some people but for many it is what you described - another valuable tool in a digital toolbelt.

Imagine how nice it would be to be able to output a full screen iPad app to an external monitor with a BT KB+Mouse!
 

mk313

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My approach to the iPad - particularly the 10.5 IPP - has been to focus on its obvious strengths mapped to my specific requirements.

My work involves three basic activities: reading, writing, and research (online and archival). I also give presentations, deliver briefings etc. In addition to this, of course, I use mail, some social media platforms (forums, Reddit, Whatsapp, Telegram, Instagram but not Facebook). I also have my share of music and movies/ videos.

When I say my work involves "writing", I mean writing anything from 6000-word policy briefs to 300-page research monographs and everything that falls in-between. "Reading" means reading/ note-taking/ annotating documents of varying lengths and complexities - usually PDFs, Word, Excel, PPT files and now also ePUB/ MOBI.

I have to say that I don't relish the idea of banging out a research monograph of, say, 200 pages with extensive footnotes, reference notes, bibliography, appendix etc. on the Smart Keyboard. For me its a matter of comfort. What about the good BT keyboards? Yes, I have tried a few but I wasn't really comfortable. I have to add that I come from using the classic ThinkPads and am used to their excellent keyboards (I fondly remember my X201!!). This, to me, represents one of the weaknesses of the iPad (in my case, the IPP 10.5).

But what about the "strength" of the IPP relative to my work?

Well, I have a large personal library (5000+ books), which constitutes the core of my research assets. For me, the strength of the IPP is in its ability to offer me access to a large percentage of this library plus other online materials in a package that (1) is very convenient for me to handle (2) with an AR that is "just perfect" (3) an inking experience that is sharp and superbly responsive (4) a device that enables me (in conjunction with a cloud service (O365+ OneDrive) and a data connection) to be mobile (5) battery life, super screen, and lovely device profile.

Sure, the IPP has its negatives - lack of file management is one. But there seem to be emergent alternatives like that Documents app (Readdle) and of course the Files app.

As such, it is a "perfect" fit between my primary computing device and my phone. In other words, the IPP gives me my ideal digital notebook/ reading device. I say this having used in the past an Android tablet (Acer A500), the Surface RT 1 &2, the iPad 4 and Air, the Surface 3 (non pro but with the Pen). All of these devices were good in some ways, but none really suited my purpose. Of course the iPads and the A500 did not have inking capabilities and the S3 was good - very good in fact, but there were issues like progressive yellowing of screen, battery erosion and eventually, it fell and the screen cracked. I mention this only to reiterate that my hunt for that till-now elusive "ideal" digital notebook has been a longstanding one and it has allowed me the pleasure to use and experience a variety of devices and ecosystems.

But, I am clear about one thing: The IPP cannot replace my primary device, which currently is a Surface Pro 4, which I connect - using the Surface dock - to a set of external monitors and HDDs. As such, it functions as my "desktop" device. The new KB is excellent and I am saying this being a fan of the classic ThinkPad KBs. It also allows me to swiftly unplug my SP4 and, in effect, carry it with me.

It is worth reiterating that while the IPP cannot replace the SP4 (for me), it is nevertheless, an indispensable part of my set up. As I have mentioned above, it is really "a perfect fit".

In effect, therefore, while on the move, I carry a relatively slim and lightweight package consisting of my SP4 (with KB attached), the IPP (with ASC attached) and my phone. It also means that I am, in effect, carrying with me my "office files" (lodged both on the SP4 and on One Drive), my precious library, and my communications and data-sharing device.

Reminds me of the question Steve Jobs had posed when he unveiled the iPad. Jobs had asked, “Is there room for a third category of device in the middle?” It looks like, for me, the answer is a resounding yes!

Great post. Not being argumentative, as I'm a firm believer in using whatever works for you, but I am curious. Why would you store your PDF's etc on the iPad, and not on the Surface Pro. I've never used a SP, so I only know what I've read about them, but wouldn't those also allow you to store & mark up your documents? I see that you've tried other devices in the past. I'd be curious to know what negatives you see in the SP vs the iPad.

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to post. Very interesting read.
 

DoubleFlyaway

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Great post. Not being argumentative, as I'm a firm believer in using whatever works for you, but I am curious. Why would you store your PDF's etc on the iPad, and not on the Surface Pro. I've never used a SP, so I only know what I've read about them, but wouldn't those also allow you to store & mark up your documents? I see that you've tried other devices in the past. I'd be curious to know what negatives you see in the SP vs the iPad.

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to post. Very interesting read.

I suspect it's because she is working on the SP and wants reference materials on a separate device. It reminds me of the way I use my Air 2 for reference materials and the 12.9 for working (in my case video and whiteboard).
 

kristalsoldier

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Great post. Not being argumentative, as I'm a firm believer in using whatever works for you, but I am curious. Why would you store your PDF's etc on the iPad, and not on the Surface Pro. I've never used a SP, so I only know what I've read about them, but wouldn't those also allow you to store & mark up your documents? I see that you've tried other devices in the past. I'd be curious to know what negatives you see in the SP vs the iPad.

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to post. Very interesting read.

I am afraid there is a bit of a confusion here. I use my IPP to actively engage with the documents. Only a few "live" documents I keep on the IPP. My online repository is OneDrive with a partial but updated set residing on a 256GB mSD card on the SP4. I simply pull down whatever documents I need on the IPP when I am on the go. I am also planning to get one of those WIFI-enabled HDDs, which I could use to keep another set of my documents, but also multi-media files.

Also, the SP4 is a big machine for purely digital notebook work. Its 12.5", its a bit heavy enough to deter extended one-handed use. Indeed, this is one of the things that deterred me from the IPP 12.9 though weight-wise it is probably lighter than the SP4 (will need to double check this). Much of this was ameliorated with my use of the S3 (non Pro), but there were issues. For example, battery life was not very good in my experience. Secondly, inking was quite good, but now when I compare with what I experience on the IPP, it feels oddly clunky - but that could be also a function of the apps (specifically referring to Drawboard and OneNote). And anyways, the S3 is no longer in production. There is no news about any upgrades to the hardware. In that sense, it represents a deadend for me - something which I cant understand why MS let happen.

And, to be absolutely upfront about it, there are two other key issues involved. One is the AR - the SP4 (S3 non pro too) has a 3:2 AR as compared to that of the IPP which is 4:3. I prefer the latter. The second thing is apps. For working with PDFs, I prefer Liquid Text (and PDF Expert). Drawboard and Xodo are two of the best apps for the Surface, which don't measure up very well against what is available on the iPad - specifically the aforementioned apps.
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I suspect it's because she is working on the SP and wants reference materials on a separate device. It reminds me of the way I use my Air 2 for reference materials and the 12.9 for working (in my case video and whiteboard).

Umm.."he"...:)
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Great writeup. An iPad can replace a laptop for some people but for many it is what you described - another valuable tool in a digital toolbelt.
Thank you!
 
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