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Did you even try this out? If so, then you would know it is garbage
My iPhone doesn't come with a Thunderbolt 4 connection. I can't plug it into my display. No idea what you are talking about. Airplay is not the same as a cable.
And of course did I use it, and as I said earlier it's bare bones at best. Do you read my comments?

I also don't understand what you try to achieve with the search for iPad exclusive apps? It's fantastic that you have a way to access your stuff on a phone if you need it. I really don't get your point. Only because you can edit an excel sheet on a phone doesn't mean you want to do that. By your argumentation everything that exists on a smaller device makes a bigger device running the same app "just a bigger thing but the same"?
 
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As I said, it can clearly do more than an iPhone. The available sizes alone make sure an iPad can be used for more. Saying that it's just an iPhone with a pencil shows that you either don't use an iPad or just want to hate it.

I will bring up your quote. I’m trying to understand based on what this claim was made. So far I heard is:
- external mouse & keyboard (not true)
- external monitor (not true).
- thunderbolt 4 (ok, I will give you that)
- multitasking (ok, fair point).

So only 2 very minor points you have raised so far. To me, that doesn’t sound like “clearly more” than a big iPhone with Apple pencil support. It actually supports my claim that is a big iPhone with pencil support if that is it (because the difference with a laptop is much larger)
 
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- external monitor (not true).
This is absolutely true, right now it's just limited to some monitors (sadly). This could be easily improved by Apple though as they use the same chips in their MacBooks anyway.

Also just because you can use a M+K on a phone doesn't mean that the iPad, which can actually make use of these input devices, is just a big phone. I don't get it. Really.
And lastly, how are Multitasking (which can also still be improved) and the connectivity of TB4 be minor points? To me it feels like you are trying to play down the iPad's capabilities because it's not for you? That makes no sense. I would also like to be able to code on my iPad, but well, we are not there yet.
 
This is absolutely true, right now it's just limited to some monitors (sadly). This could be easily improved by Apple though as they use the same chips in their MacBooks anyway.

Also just because you can use a M+K on a phone doesn't mean that the iPad, which can actually make use of these input devices, is just a big phone. I don't get it. Really.
And lastly, how are Multitasking (which can also still be improved) and the connectivity of TB4 be minor points? To me it feels like you are trying to play down the iPad's capabilities because it's not for you? That makes no sense. I would also like to be able to code on my iPad, but well, we are not there yet.

It is not true, because I got my iPhone mirrored to my 4K display with the press of a single button while typing this. Hence this point will not be awarded.

So let’s assess these 2 points:
- My previous 3 iPads don’t have Thunderbolt 4 either. Only my 12.9 M1 iPad Pro has it. So this is not even a valid argument.
- Multitasking, ok fine. If this is what makes it a completely different device according to you, I will give you this point.

So, I will change my claim then. The iPad Pro is a big iPhone with pencil support and multitasking.
 
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It is not true, because I got my iPhone mirrored to my 4K display with the press of a single button while typing this.

Now that's some magic that you can mirror an iPhone to a monitor without AirPlay. Impressive!

you can also keep your internet points lol, I don't need to be awarded with anything.

I think you are slowly getting it, which would be good for you. But I'm not sure if I have the willpower to enlighten you any further, so have a good Sunday ?
 
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Now that's some magic that you can mirror an iPhone to a monitor without AirPlay. Impressive!

you can also keep your internet points lol, I don't need to be awarded with anything.

I think you are slowly getting it, which would be good for you. But I'm not sure if I have the willpower to enlighten you any further, so have a good Sunday ?

It’s not internet points, it’s simple logic. You have given so far only 1 valid point, which is multitasking.

That doesn’t sound like “clearly more” than an iPhone which what you claimed.

Yeah, I’m off too. Hope you have a nice sunday also.
 
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I will bring up your quote. I’m trying to understand based on what this claim was made. So far I heard is:
- external mouse & keyboard (not true)
- external monitor (not true).
- thunderbolt 4 (ok, I will give you that)
- multitasking (ok, fair point).

So only 2 very minor points you have raised so far. To me, that doesn’t sound like “clearly more” than a big iPhone with Apple pencil support. It actually supports my claim that is a big iPhone with pencil support if that is it (because the difference with a laptop is much larger)
Just about everything you list or point out is subjective depending on any given person's use case. My M1 iPad Pro 11 easily replaced my MBP for all things related to my Real Estate businesses. So much so that I sold my MBP almost 5 months ago and have never looked back. I use my iPP exclusively for my Real Estate work. It cuts my workflow in half and makes my work fun again. I carry less devices with me because the iPP is actually more useful to me in my Real Estate work than a laptop ever could be. I no longer need an extra still or video camera. I no longer need a folio with a pad of paper to write on. I no longer need my Sony voice recorder for voice notes. I take a lot of hand written notes and sketch house and property dimensions. I create, edit, and annotate contracts, pdf's, and documents. I use spreadsheets to keep track of business expenses and rent income along with other data bases. I take and edit a lot of videos for listing ads and virtual showings. I use Safari for full desktop access to the local Multiple Listing Services (Paragon) to search listings and submit listings. My iPP takes care of all of these needs. There are many things I need in my Real Estate work that the iPad does easier or that a laptop just plain can't do. You want to ignore all the things listed that the iPad can do better than a laptop or that a laptop just cannot do. As I have said before, I would rather have a tablet computer that can replace a laptop than a laptop that can't replace a tablet computer, any day.

There is a web app called "Paragon" that my local Multiple Listing Service uses for its licensed users (Realtors) to list and search for houses, among other real estate related uses. Safari, Chrome, and FF will not render the full desktop website on my iPhone, only a hobbled mobile version, but automatically renders the full desktop version that I need on Safari on my iPad Pro. This is not the only web app that professionals need to use, but shows that the iPad is not just a big iPhone, except for maybe the iPad Mini. iPadOS is also not a lesser OS, it is an OS made for tablet computers, that like any other OS, is evolving. Just because it intimidates you or you can't be bothered to see its full potential doesn't mean much to the rest of us who can and have replaced our laptops for many of the things that the iPad does better or like I said....a laptop just plain can't do. I personally like the simplicity of iPadOS. Yes, it could and will become more robust and useful to more people who will eventually replace their laptops with an iPad like I and others have. We may not be a majority, but we darn sure are a large minority.

DOS was replaced by GUI Windows type OS's. Desktops have been pretty much replaced by laptops. Tablet computers and the OS's that run them will take the place of laptops eventually.

Tablet computers are just as much computers as laptops and desktops. They have:

A.) From Techopedia.com

A computer like anything else consists of the components that makes it what it is. In the case of a modern computer the list consists of:

1. CPU
2. GPU
3. Motherboard
4. Memory(RAM)
5. Storage
6. Power Supply
7. I/O - USB, SD and Micro SD cards, external HD's and SSD's
8. The ability to use keyboard and mouse
9. Operating System


B.) From Dictionary.com

Computer

1. a programmable electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations. Mainframes, desktop and laptop computers, tablets, and smartphones are some of the different types of computers.


C.) From Wikipedia.org

Smartphones and tablets run on a variety of operating systems and recently became the dominant computing device on the market.


D.) From Techtarget.com

From their list of computer types.

Smartphone - a cellular telephone designed with an integrated computer
Tablet Computer (tablet PC) - a wireless personal computer with a touch screen


E.) From gcfglobal.org

Tablet computers—or tablets—are handheld computers that are even more portable than laptops. Instead of a keyboard and mouse, tablets use a touch-sensitive screen for typing and navigation. The iPad is an example of a tablet.


Doesn't take much more than cursory search on Google to find out that the iPad is 100% beyond the shadow of a doubt.....a computer.
 
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What things can the iPad do more than an iPhone if you exclude pencil? The iPhone has all the same apps (if you exclude apps like Procreate that is aimed at the pencil), so you can do the same.

Even music production apps like Cubasis 3 I bought for the iPad Pro, works on the iPhone too.

And that again shows how the iPad Pro is just a big iPhone as you have to use Garageband or Cubasis 3, just like the iPhone, while on my 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro I have Logic Pro with Serum, Omnisphere 2, Avenger, Nexus 4, Spire, and many more. It is nothing like my 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro.
I can share an anecdotal experience of when I accompanied my students on an overseas excursion many years ago. I was tasked with blogging about their experiences there, and what I did was use the Wordpress app on my iPad mini. Take photos using the (pretty capable) camera, type out a short paragraph in the Wordpress app, then post directly thanks to its inbuilt cellular connectivity.

Sure, I could do this on my iPhone as well, but back then battery life on my 4s / 5s was still relative poor, and the iPad had more than enough battery to last a day of photo-taking and internet usage. It was also easier typing and editing on a larger screen.

Subsequently, when my school stopped using Wordpress, what I did was use the Bear notes app to format my blog posts, then email it directly to my colleague back home who would then upload it to the school website. The form factor made it more convenient to type than a laptop, especially when you are on the go or seated in a tour bus.

What this meant was that I was comfortable leaving my laptop back home and bringing just my iPhone and iPad along with me for the trip. For this particular use case, the iPad was this ideal blend of an iPhone and a laptop, combining the best parts of both while leaving out the downsides (better battery life than an iPhone, more versatile form factor than a laptop).
 
Just because it intimidates you or you can't be bothered to see its full potential doesn't mean much to the rest of us who can and have replaced our laptops for many of the things that the iPad does better or like I said....a laptop just plain can't do.
I presume your referring to Apple laptops only in the above as there are plenty of others that have all the functionality of an Ipad plus a lot more.

However, I understand in your user case a mobile OS tablet is adequate
 
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I presume your referring to Apple laptops only in the above as there are plenty of others that have all the functionality of an Ipad plus a lot more.

However, I understand in your user case a mobile OS tablet is adequate
Absolutely but yes, we are in an Apple forum, and of course...
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Just scrolled through some recent posts and I want to verify that
iOS has limitations as file copy and paste onto a USB drive
is tricky and today impossible.
i did air drop those to a computer (Mac mini) then placed on that usb lightening drive.

Oh Hail the Laptop/mini!
 
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I see 2 opposing sides here, both with dismissive attitudes. The side of the iPad is a big iPhone dismisses the fact the multitasking is an extremely important factor in making the iPad much more able to replace a laptop than a phone and the screen size is another element. While both can be plugged to a monitor (via a lightning to hdmi adapter for the iPhone) the experience is poor with both, which reinforces the importance of the iPad having a larger screen for productivity. And while you can use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with an iPhone, it's not nearly the seamless laptop experience of a magic keyboard (or logitech ones).

On the other hand I think that the love and excitement about the iPad can lead to a biased attitude too. The same multitasking I was mentioning earlier still needs important improvements (no extended display, limited split screen), and this should not be dismissed either. And I am not even talking about all the desktop software that has no equivalent mobile app. I see some aggressive replies that sound like "if you cannot make it work you are using it wrong", which while they replied to a biased post in the first place, they just add more bias, or mentions of large minorities or small majorities to make a point when nobody here has data other than from the people they see (from the people I see in my activities as a university teacher and in the financial sector in general I see a very small minority using iPads instead of laptops, but again, nobody has hard data, so I would be careful with these statements)

I think we need more open attitudes on both sides. If an iPad pro cannot replace a laptop for someone, it does not mean it cannot do it for anyone and whoever tries is just disconnected from reality. Similarly, if someone has found in the iPad pro the perfect computing device for their work, it does not mean that it's just a matter of time before most people do the same regardless of the future evolution of the software (OS and apps), and as much as they are excited about their workflow with it (and it's great that they are, and they are lucky to be in that position) they should accept that this might never happen depending again on how the software situation is going to evolve...
 
Just scrolled through some recent posts and I want to verify that
iOS has limitations as file copy and paste onto a USB drive
is tricky and today impossible.
i did air drop those to a computer (Mac mini) then placed on that usb lightening drive.

Oh Hail the Laptop/mini!

Impossible? How so? You can copy to a USB drive.
 
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What things can the iPad do more than an iPhone if you exclude pencil? The iPhone has all the same apps (if you exclude apps like Procreate that is aimed at the pencil), so you can do the same.
For some reason, you’re fixated on this comparison to an iPhone, and I have no idea why. It’s completely irrelevant to the argument you’re trying to make.

Imagine if tomorrow Apple made a macPhone that was capable of everything a MacBook can do, minus the features that only make sense on a large screen, then suddenly the MacBook that we all use and love would be “just a big phone plus the large screen features”. Therefore the MacBook would suddenly be an incapable device. That’s what your logic concludes. Obviously there is no logic to that.

Focus on the capabilities or incapabilities of the iPad itself if you want to make arguments that make sense.
 
That's just a preference on what You Want and no different to if I want a BMW or Dyson or Rolex and has 0 to do with alternatives :rolleyes:
No, it’s not. Windows Tablets are totally different beasts and Android tablets were abandoned by Google a long time ago.
There is nothing like an iPad if you want a mature tablet that’s a tablet first and doesn’t want to be 10 times at once.

That’s also why it can’t replace a laptop for everyone. Unlike something like a Surface, that’s a full blown Windows PC but not a tablet in the first place
 
No, it’s not. Windows Tablets are totally different beasts and Android tablets were abandoned by Google a long time ago.
There is nothing like an iPad if you want a mature tablet that’s a tablet first and doesn’t want to be 10 times at once.

That’s also why it can’t replace a laptop for everyone. Unlike something like a Surface, that’s a full blown Windows PC but not a tablet in the first place
Android tablets are far from dead and things have changed a lot in the last couple of years, mainly thanks to Samsung... (see my latest posts in the "The iPad is not for traditional Mac users")
 
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Android tablets are far from dead and things have changed a lot in the last couple of years, mainly thanks to Samsung... (see my latest posts in the "The iPad is not for traditional Mac users")
Oh I know the Samsung tablets, my brother-in-law has one. All I need to know is that this thing collects dust in a corner simply because they have an iPad, too.
And I'm not talking hardware, I know they build very nice and capable devices.
 
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Oh I know the Samsung tablets, my brother-in-law has one. All I need to know is that this thing collects dust in a corner simply because they have an iPad, too.
And I'm not talking hardware, I know they build very nice and capable devices.
I don't know know what model your brother-in-law has, but the opposite is also true, the friend I sold a recent Samsung tablet to had an iPad that was collecting dust and now she is enjoying her Samsung tablet.... And she is amazed how much more capable OneUI is compared to iPadOS (and I could make some very concrete examples). Again it's not to start a Samsung vs iPad battle, I have both and enjoy both, each have their strenghs and weaknesses, but I think people, especially in the Apple community, have a big bias due to either misinformation or just comparing the wrong devices (entry level $200 Samsung tablet to a much more expensive iPad) or maybe just because of the Apple ecosystem lock (which is understandable, I am talking about people who have an Android phone and/or a Windows laptop, that is most people in the world)
 
No, it’s not. Windows Tablets are totally different beasts and Android tablets were abandoned by Google a long time ago.
There is nothing like an iPad if you want a mature tablet that’s a tablet first and doesn’t want to be 10 times at once.

That’s also why it can’t replace a laptop for everyone. Unlike something like a Surface, that’s a full blown Windows PC but not a tablet in the first place

Abandoned? Look at overall tablet sales figures to see that's not true. Apple is at 35% market share, a large number but not the majority.
 
I never talked about the market share of iPads. I said that there is no alternative if you want an iPad like device. Unless Samsung ported all the apps from iOS that make the iPad special to their store, but I doubt that.
 
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