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Slartibart

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What is the effective difference?
The difference is that if e.g. the common teacher in europe has to use a cloud platform which acts in accordance with the european data protection laws, iCloud and all related services are “out”.
Never the less is iCloud probably on average the most used cloud platform in the group of european iPad users, isn’t it?
An average user is just a user that doesn’t have any use cases that sets them apart from the average.
I like to propose that Apple doesn’t cater towards average. 😁
Their decisions are motivated by market research plus additional aspects and convictions - this is the reason for model differentiation in all Apple hardware lines actually IMHO - implementations of the least common denominator according to their market research¹

Did you never ask yourself “why is it, that all iPads offer battery capacities that independent of the model provide up to 10 hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi or watching video”? Every year… every model line.

There’s nothing about them that makes them “special” Like, a user that has access to iCloud, email and social media BUT only accepts images from their friends by way of an external flash drive.
I agree that for example on average most iPad users will probably use Apple Mail, its for most people who decide or have to use an iPad the included solution.
Still there are hundreds of thousand iPads user who do not use mail - for whatever reason. And not because they are special, but because there are members of a group in which on average nobody uses Apple’s Mail.

Intrestingly enough this correlates not only with e.g. age groups but with the geographical location - on all kinds of scales:
seems like Apple’s Messages is a thing in the US, but members of various european countries will roll their eyes and tell you to install Whatsapp if you want to participate in their exchanges - si fueris Romae etc.… 🤪
There are platforms which are used only by single nations or a group of nations sharing whatever, but on that level of course there isn’t anything “special” about it.

THAT would be a special-case user.
Yes, within your scenario these are special users.

If you view it on a different scale? They are not.

Still the question of this thread remains: could they do with one of the iPad models, or is a laptop the better solution? 😀

You can be assured that Apple has a rather detailed model of their “average user” as a persona they use when creating “user stories” during their development activities.
My insight into this lies far back and was mainly restricted to a part of the european hardware and the education group - but yes, Apple does their research. 🙂

We probably agree that for a large part of the population which represents potential tablet, laptop, or desktop users there are common interests they like to participate in, resulting in common requirements: Mail, Web, Entertainment, Social - to list a few.

I personally tend to think that for each of these common interest there is actually no average user. There is variance on various levels - which makes this an insignificant, shallow designator.

Therefore it makes indeed a practical difference wether you address common use or average use cases.


And to throw in an additional point of view: when associated with skill sets, “average” becomes often a deeply subjective assessment - in most cases it doesn’t carry any verifiable sensible information.

I mean, what does e.g. “the average Photoshop user” mean?
I like to make an educated guess here - the use of “the average iPad user” isn’t often applied in some sensible form either, is it?

It can be of course, for both.


¹plus something, to which Apple often refers publicly and internal to as Apple's DNA.
 
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2021 iPad Pro can’t use more than a 30W charger right? I’m thinking of buying the Google 30W plug as it’s $15 cheaper than Apple’s. That will give me the fastest charging possible right?
 

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2021 iPad Pro can’t use more than a 30W charger right? I’m thinking of buying the Google 30W plug as it’s $15 cheaper than Apple’s. That will give me the fastest charging possible right?

Which one? I’ve seen the 2021 iPP 12.9” draw ~38W from the wall. I have a 120W USB-C charger that I use for both laptops and iPads.

The 11” I believe are limited to 30W.
 

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12.9”. Hmmm. Any suggested charger?

Whichever works best for you in terms of form factor and budget. For what it’s worth, even 30W offers fast enough charging for the 12.9”.

I use RAVPower versions of these at home (in different rooms) since I often need to plug in multiple devices simultaneously.

$70 after $20 off coupon (although I only paid $50 for my RAVPower one, iirc)

$25 after $15 off coupon

I’ve also got Anker chargers but they’ve gotten more expensive recently.
 
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Whichever works best for you in terms of form factor and budget. For what it’s worth, even 30W offers fast enough charging for the 12.9”.

I use RAVPower versions of these at home (in different rooms) since I often need to plug in multiple devices simultaneously.

$70 after $20 off coupon (although I only paid $50 for my RAVPower one, iirc)

$25 after $15 off coupon

I’ve also got Anker chargers but they’ve gotten more expensive recently.

I really like the Anker and RAVPower products - I have a number of each that work really well. Unfortunately, RAVPower violated Amazon's terms of agreement and got banned.
 

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The difference is that if e.g. the common teacher in europe has to use a cloud platform which acts in accordance with the european data protection laws, iCloud and all related services are “out”.
Never the less is iCloud probably on average the most used cloud platform in the group of european iPad users, isn’t it?
Then, there’s no effective difference. Both “common user” and “average user” mean the same thing. The average teacher (teachers that are very similar to the broadest sampling of teachers) in Europe has to use a cloud platform which acts in accordance with the European data protection laws.

“On average”, though, DOES have a slightly different meaning, so I wouldn’t use that phrase in this case.

I like to propose that Apple doesn’t cater towards average. 😁
Their decisions are motivated by market research plus additional aspects and convictions - this is the reason for model differentiation in all Apple hardware lines actually IMHO - implementations of the least common denominator according to their market research
You can define it differently, but the outcome is the same set of data. Actually, the common denominator would be a subset of the information set that defines the average user. Because, “the average user” would include values like how much they make a year, and how much disposable income they have.

I agree that for example on average most iPad users will probably use Apple Mail, its for most people who decide or have to use an iPad the included solution.
Still there are hundreds of thousand iPads user who do not use mail - for whatever reason. And not because they are special, but because there are members of a group in which on average nobody uses Apple’s Mail.

There are platforms which are used only by single nations or a group of nations sharing whatever, but on that level of course there isn’t anything “special” about it.
You don’t want to see it as “special” in the context of “iPad users” but it is. Even your indication that MOST iPad users use Apple mail means that an average iPad user (one that is broadly much like the largest number of other iPad users) uses Apple mail. Those who are not ‘average’ are ‘special’. BUT, I guess if one doesn’t like “special” they could say “less average”. :)

Yes, within your scenario these are special users.

Still the question of this thread remains: could they do with one of the iPad models, or is a laptop the better solution? 😀
Average users could do with one of the iPad models. Special users MAY do better with a laptop as their needs are outside the average.

I personally tend to think that for each of these common interest there is actually no average user. There is variance on various levels - which makes this an insignificant, shallow designator.

I mean, what does e.g. “the average Photoshop user” mean?
Adobe and those that concern themselves much with Adobe products have a good idea of what “the average Photoshop user” means. Just as Apple has a very clear vision of who “the average iPad user” is and is designing their products to meet the needs of that group.

Philosophically, you don’t like the term “average user” but, in software and hardware development, companies are required to define and maintain a current view of the “average user”. And, if their solution requires, they maintain several different “average users” so that as a developer is writing code, they can reference these user models to help them determine how to most effectively code their solution for them.
 

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Philosophically, you don’t like the term “average user” but,
I am in no way intended nor am I interested in the philosophical aspects of “average user”.

I use common in the sense of relating to a community with no special status - like in my example of the common teachers who are not using iCloud as a service.

I use average as an estimation of/or approximation to an arithmetic mean - like in my proposal that despite large geographical populations of people worldwide are not using it, Apple’s Messages is probably on average the most used messaging platform in the US.

Average users could do with one of the iPad models. Special users MAY do better with a laptop as their needs are outside the average.

Really? … this is a bit vague and slightly convoluted, isn’t it? 🤓

If a laptop user wants to draw things he is accordingly special? And if they decide not to use e.g. a product from WACOM but to use an iPad with a Pencil they become average (iPad users)?
I understand of course that switching groups can change the status, but this - average/special - does seem more and more a silly differentiation, doesn’t it? And we do discuss average/common, don’t we?

Yes, in the past the soft- and hardware limits established the iPad as the somewhat simpler device. Still Apple brought on early Garageband, iMovie, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Photos, iBooks - because they identified common interests in the target audience.

For sure Apple determined e.g. what functions were on average the important ones in iMovie on the Mac, maybe they did surveys which then analysed, delivered what should be implemented/offered… someone for sure will know. 🤓
But before calculating any average you have to determine common requirements - an different levels.
Often you do not have the audience (or e.g. you want to extend to a new one) - look no further than to the iconic “An iPod, a Phone, an Internet Communicator.”¹ - these are common denominators, not average ones. …. Should have brought that one first, shouldn’t I? 🙂

Hardware moved on, iPadOS and apps try to catch up.

in software and hardware development, companies are required to define and maintain a current view of the “average user”. And, if their solution requires, they maintain several different “average users” so that as a developer is writing code, they can reference these user models to help them determine how to most effectively code their solution for them.
You arrived! Not one average user profile, but many. 😎

No average iPad user, but differentiation in the group of its users - while sharing common interests and characteristics¹.

And there you have a clear difference.
 
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Whichever works best for you in terms of form factor and budget. For what it’s worth, even 30W offers fast enough charging for the 12.9”.

I use RAVPower versions of these at home (in different rooms) since I often need to plug in multiple devices simultaneously.

$70 after $20 off coupon (although I only paid $50 for my RAVPower one, iirc)

$25 after $15 off coupon

I’ve also got Anker chargers but they’ve gotten more expensive recently.

I’m curious when you say “even 30W offers fast enough charging for the 12.9”.”

Is the difference between a 30w and something faster basically negligible? I guess Apple sells a 35w charger now and that might be my best bet.
 

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I’m curious when you say “even 30W offers fast enough charging for the 12.9”.”

Is the difference between a 30w and something faster basically negligible? I guess Apple sells a 35w charger now and that might be my best bet.

Yep, the difference between 30W and 35W is fairly negligible. I don’t think it stays above 30W for long.

However, between 20W and 30W is very noticeable.

If I were you and you don’t need a multi-port charger, I’d just get that $25 Google 30W USB-C over Apple’s $40 30W one.
 

Gherkin

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Yep, the difference between 30W and 35W is fairly negligible. I don’t think it stays above 30W for long.

However, between 20W and 30W is very noticeable.

If I were you and you don’t need a multi-port charger, I’d just get that $25 Google 30W USB-C over Apple’s $40 30W one.

Ok cool. Only reason I’m worried here is with my current 2018 12.9” Pro, when I’m charging and using the iPad at the same time, it charges realllly slow. I’m using the 18w charger it comes with. Just want to get the best charging speed if I’m going iPad only.

I think I’ll get the Apple 35w charger. So I should expect the iPad to charge twice as fast using 35w versus my current 18w? 2021 has a slightly bigger battery, so maybe not exactly twice as fast to get to 100%.
 
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12.9”. Hmmm. Any suggested charger?
I'm very happy with my Ugreen chargers. I have two of these



The smaller one with a single port also work fine


Just make sure the charger supports PD, otherwise the iPad Pro won't charge fast enough.
 

Gherkin

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I'm very happy with my Ugreen chargers. I have two of these



The smaller one with a single port also work fine


Just make sure the charger supports PD, otherwise the iPad Pro won't charge fast enough.

Apple’s chargers don’t say anything about PD in the description, but I assume they fast charge? I’m looking at getting the new 35w charger.

Also I noticed some chargers that have two USB C ports say that each port only delivers half the total wattage. Is that ONLY if you have two things plugged in?
 

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Apple’s chargers don’t say anything about PD in the description, but I assume they fast charge? I’m looking at getting the new 35w charger.
Apple avoids technical terms in their product descriptions and is often very vague. The Apple charger will of course fast charge an iPad :)
Also I noticed some chargers that have two USB C ports say that each port only delivers half the total wattage. Is that ONLY if you have two things plugged in?
Depends on the charger, the Ugreen I use charges one device with 60w or splits the power when using two

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If Apple wants the iPad to be able to replace a laptop, they need to offer multi-user accounts. Until iPadOS has that, it's still just a tablet.

Also wished that you could pair the Apple Watch with the iPad and not just with the iPhone.
I do understand that people have been asking for multi-user account on an iPad for years, but that’s never been a feature I’ve desired.

And I don’t agree that multi-user feature is required for a laptop to be a laptop… I think it’s more of business decision that multi-user accounts hasn’t been added for iPads. Apple prefers users to buy multiple iPads for a household.
 

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I do understand that people have been asking for multi-user account on an iPad for years, but that’s never been a feature I’ve desired.

And I don’t agree that multi-user feature is required for a laptop to be a laptop… I think it’s more of business decision that multi-user accounts hasn’t been added for iPads. Apple prefers users to buy multiple iPads for a household.
Yes, strictly a money decision from Apple.
I wonder if only one user will be able to access each Apple Car :oops:;)
 

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I do understand that people have been asking for multi-user account on an iPad for years, but that’s never been a feature I’ve desired.

And I don’t agree that multi-user feature is required for a laptop to be a laptop… I think it’s more of business decision that multi-user accounts hasn’t been added for iPads. Apple prefers users to buy multiple iPads for a household.

Also worth mentioning is that multiple users would potentially pose a problem on many iPad models if they decide to download and store data on the device. I can imagine the models with low storage capacity will fill up rather quickly.
 

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Also worth mentioning is that multiple users would potentially pose a problem on many iPad models if they decide to download and store data on the device. I can imagine the models with low storage capacity will fill up rather quickly.

In the schools where I administered iPads on a e.g. 32GB iPad about 10 GB were reserved for the system, 8GB for apps, the remaining space was divided by the number of users assigned via MDM.
Usually you set the maximum storage per user as low as possible to maximise the number of cached users and minimise communication with the cloud service you use. Recommended best practise for Apple's “Shared” read: multi-user iPad is to use purgeable local storage, as well as that apps should ensure that any content that requires persistence is stored in the cloud. There is actually a category of "optimized for shared iPad”-apps (not on the Appstore though).

Overall Apple could adapt this system to work with a family - assuming the "Apple family of 5 shares" you have 2.8Gb per user on a 32Gb iPad in the example above.
Anyone wants to bet on "Family Manager" in iPadOS 18? 19? Anyone? 😃
 
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In the schools where I administered iPads on a e.g. 32GB iPad about 10 GB were reserved for the system, 8GB for apps, the remaining space was divided by the number of users assigned via MDM.
Usually you set the maximum storage per user as low as possible to maximise the number of cached users and minimise communication with the cloud service you use. Recommended best practise for Apple's “Shared” read: multi-user iPad is to use purgeable local storage, as well as that apps should ensure that any content that requires persistence is stored in the cloud. There is actually a category of "optimized for shared iPad”-apps (not on the Appstore though).

Overall Apple could adapt this system to work with a family - assuming the "Apple family of 5 shares" you have 2.8Gb per user on a 32Gb iPad in the example above.
Anyone wants to bet on "Family Manager" in iPadOS 18? 19? Anyone?

Kind of a crippled approach when a single user only has a few GB available for their own photos, music, apps etc. maybe this works alright in a reduced educational setting but at home? I couldn’t make 64 GB work for me alone, hence I wouldn’t want even less on a shared device.
 

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Kind of a crippled approach when a single user only has a few GB available for their own photos, music, apps etc. maybe this works alright in a reduced educational setting but at home? I couldn’t make 64 GB work for me alone, hence I wouldn’t want even less on a shared device.

I can ditch photos and music on the iPad but having too little space for apps and app data is going to be problematic.

Mind, 10GB for system files is probably too little nowadays.

mini 6 iPadOS 15.6 Storage.png
 
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