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Mainsail

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Correct. It isn’t for me but is, in combination with a keyboard case, for my girlfriend.
This is my situation as well. It is not for me, but my wife uses an iPad with MK as her laptop. However, she also has an iMac, and if she needs to do any multi-tasking or significant content creation she goes to the iMac. It's a nice set-up, but it is kind of expensive and somewhat limiting. It is expensive because the iPad (with 256GB) with MK almost cost the same as an MBA on sale plus she needs another device (iMac) to handle the heavy lifting. It is limiting because she can only really do the multi-tasking and complex content creation at her desktop. Now, this has not really been an issue for her because she doesn't need to do anything very complicated whilst on the go. It is probably semantics, but I would not say she is using the iPad as a laptop replacement. I would say it is more of a substitute. She does not try to get the iPad to do things that a laptop does well. She simply saves those things for the desktop and uses the right device for the task. BTW - my wife never liked the ergonomics of laptops, but seems content with the iPad + MK.

I have no hate for the iPad. They are great. I have one that I pretty much only use on vacation. But, I think saying that an iPad is a laptop replacement can be kind of misleading to people and create false expectations. It would be like if I said a laptop is an iPad replacement because you can; take notes, annotate documents, use the trackpad to sign and draw. Well, yeah....but, I would never attempt to sketch anything complicated on my MBA. Different tools for different jobs.
 
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Joe Dohn

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Well, yeah....but, I would never attempt to sketch anything complicated on my MBA. Different tools for different jobs.

That can easily be supplemented with a good drawing tablet though. You can either go with a screenless one or a tablet with a screen and a passive stylus.
 

darngooddesign

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This is my situation as well. It is not for me, but my wife uses an iPad with MK as her laptop. However, she also has an iMac, and if she needs to do any multi-tasking or significant content creation she goes to the iMac. It's a nice set-up, but it is kind of expensive and somewhat limiting. It is expensive because the iPad (with 256GB) with MK almost cost the same as an MBA on sale plus she needs another device (iMac) to handle the heavy lifting. It is limiting because she can only really do the multi-tasking and complex content creation at her desktop. Now, this has not really been an issue for her because she doesn't need to do anything very complicated whilst on the go. It is probably semantics, but I would not say she is using the iPad as a laptop replacement. I would say it is more of a substitute. She does not try to get the iPad to do things that a laptop does well. She simply saves those things for the desktop and uses the right device for the task. BTW - my wife never liked the ergonomics of laptops, but seems content with the iPad + MK.

I have no hate for the iPad. They are great. I have one that I pretty much only use on vacation. But, I think saying that an iPad is a laptop replacement can be kind of misleading to people and create false expectations. It would be like if I said a laptop is an iPad replacement because you can; take notes, annotate documents, use the trackpad to sign and draw. Well, yeah....but, I would never attempt to sketch anything complicated on my MBA. Different tools for different jobs.
Thats the problem with blanket "it can or it can't be a laptop replacement" statements, you need to ask if it can be a laptop replacement for what I do. If you buy an iPad without evaluating your needs first, well you have 15 days to return it if it can't.
 

Mainsail

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Most people don't need a wide range of software and peripherals on their personal laptop.
Yes, probably the most common laptop peripheral is an external monitor to add screen real estate. I paid about $125 for my LG 1080p 23in monitor. It isn't fancy, but it does the job when I need it. My understanding is the iPad is no longer limited to simply mirroring, so an external monitor might be beneficial as well to some iPad users.
 

prospervic

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It is probably semantics, but I would not say she is using the iPad as a laptop replacement. I would say it is more of a substitute. She does not try to get the iPad to do things that a laptop does well. She simply saves those things for the desktop and uses the right device for the task.
Precisely this! iPad is substitute for when away from the desktop or laptop, and an alternative for people who don’t want or need a full-fledged computer in the first place. (Sort of like a motorcycle vis-a-vis a car.)

Not certain where this notion of iPad being a laptop replacement came from, but it’s dubious one that has caused frustration and disappointment for a good number of people (myself included).
 
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Beefbowl

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Precisely this! iPad is substitute for when away from the desktop or laptop, and an alternative for people who don’t want or need a full-fledged computer in the first place. (Sort of like a motorcycle vis-a-vis a car.)

Not certain where this notion of iPad being a laptop replacement came from, but it’s dubious one that has caused frustration and disappointment for a good number of people (myself included).

Some of my confusion with this thread is that I think of a laptop as a light-weight, lower-powered device that you bring when you’re away from your desktop and save “serious” tasks for when you get back to your desktop.

It’s hard for me to wrap my head around a world where the laptop IS the high powered device. 😜 And I say that even though I own an M2 Pro MBP and use it as my primary computer! It just never leaves the house!

So in my caveman-era thought process, the tablet perfectly fills what I think of as the role of a laptop, but for people who have made the mental reset to “everything happens on the laptop” it must be very weird to think of the less-capable iPad as the main device.
 

Mainsail

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At the 2010 iPad launch, Steve Jobs described the how the device fit into Apple's ecosystem. Classic Jobs. Very clear and visionary.


Edit: I think over the last 13 years there has been considerable convergence in the iPhone, iPad and MacBook. Late in 2010, when Jobs launched the second MBA iteration, he described it as the result of an iPad and MacBook "hooking-up". MBA battery life is now better than an iPad. With MK, the cost and weight of an MBA and iPad are comparable. iPhone screens have become larger. The operating systems have a similar look and feel. iCloud has made it almost seamless to move between devices.
 
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prospervic

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It’s hard for me to wrap my head around a world where the laptop IS the high powered device. 😜 And I say that even though I own an M2 Pro MBP and use it as my primary computer! It just never leaves the house!
I was finally able to release my guilt about never taking my 16 inch M1 MBP out of the house (because it‘s so heavy and bulky) by accepting that portability throughout the home is also an important and worthwhile benefit of owning a laptop, thus allowing travel and around-town computing to be handled by my 12.9 iPad Pro.
 

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Precisely this! iPad is substitute for when away from the desktop or laptop, and an alternative for people who don’t want or need a full-fledged computer in the first place. (Sort of like a motorcycle vis-a-vis a car.)

Not certain where this notion of iPad being a laptop replacement came from, but it’s dubious one that has caused frustration and disappointment for a good number of people (myself included).
I know right. It often feels like there are two distinct camps of people arguing past each other.

For one camp of users, the iPad lets them meet their limited computing needs. It's okay if the iPad can't do something because it's either not functionality that they need, or they can afford to wait till they are back home in front of their Mac.

For the other camp, they seem to think that just because the iPad can't perform X task (even if it's a very niche one like say, formatting a hard drive), it's therefore useless as a computer and nobody should get one. They seemed threatened by the very notion that an iPad could come anywhere close to replicating the functionality of a conventional PC.

If memory serves me right, I think there was a time when Apple was trying to market the iPad as such. There was also this awkward period where the iPad Pro got the A12x chip in 2018, while the Macbook was stuck with slow intel processors, poor thermal design, horrible butterfly keyboards and a dearth of ports. It really did seem like Apple had neglected the Mac in favour of the iPad.

Now, it seems more like the other way around. :oops:
 

Fuzzball84

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Being a person who uses PC and Mac.... when I see iPad combined with Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil... I just see Apples version of Surface...

Ive used both... and although both have their strong points and key uses... I always go back to a PC laptop or MacBook for productivity.

One thing I would say... is that the Surface Pro industrial design trumps that of iPad for a 2 in 1. I always felt my surface Pro was more durable and functional on a hardware level. The iPad Air and Pros just feel far too fragile when not in a case or attached to a keyboard.
 
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teh_hunterer

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I've been thinking lately about the iPad. I think we all agree that the traditional iPad experience, touch based with full screen apps, perhaps with simple side by side multitasking, is really good. It's really, really good.

Where everyone starts to disagree is the extra multitasking features, Stage Manager, and the way mouse and keyboard support works - the stuff that Apple has added on lately.

Having used this stuff for a couple of years now, I have come to the conclusion there really isn't any place for it. The extra stuff Apple has added over the traditional iPad experience sucks - the higher end multitasking is confusing despite years of use, Stage Manager is inferior to proper macOS desktop windows, and mouse and keyboard support just doesn't feel as good as it does on the Mac.

When the Mac desktop OS does all of this stuff better, what are we really doing here? Why not just have a macOS style mode the iPad goes into when you connect a mouse and keyboard and monitor? The macOS interface is just better once you're using a mouse and keyboard. Note that I'm not saying put macOS on there wholesale. But the UI really should be as close to macOS as it makes sense to do so.

If you're someone who prefers Stage Manager on an iPad over macOS, I'm not saying you are objectively wrong, but we've had enough time now for us all to get used to Stage Manager where I think it's time to admit at least that most people don't like it.
 

darngooddesign

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I've been thinking lately about the iPad. I think we all agree that the traditional iPad experience, touch based with full screen apps, perhaps with simple side by side multitasking, is really good. It's really, really good.

Where everyone starts to disagree is the extra multitasking features, Stage Manager, and the way mouse and keyboard support works - the stuff that Apple has added on lately.

Having used this stuff for a couple of years now, I have come to the conclusion there really isn't any place for it. The extra stuff Apple has added over the traditional iPad experience sucks - the higher end multitasking is confusing despite years of use, Stage Manager is inferior to proper macOS desktop windows, and mouse and keyboard support just doesn't feel as good as it does on the Mac.
Years of use? Stage Manager was released a year ago.
When the Mac desktop OS does all of this stuff better, what are we really doing here? Why not just have a macOS style mode the iPad goes into when you connect a mouse and keyboard and monitor? The macOS interface is just better once you're using a mouse and keyboard. Note that I'm not saying put macOS on there wholesale. But the UI really should be as close to macOS as it makes sense to do so.

If you're someone who prefers Stage Manager on an iPad over macOS, I'm not saying you are objectively wrong, but we've had enough time now for us all to get used to Stage Manager where I think it's time to admit at least that most people don't like it.
I prefer StageManager on the iPad over SplitScreen/SlideOver on the iPad.

I prefer StageManager on the iPad over StageManager on MacOS.

I prefer MissionControl/Spaces on MacOS over StageManager on MacOS.

I like both StageManager on the iPad and MacOS window management.
 
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Ludatyk

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When the Mac desktop OS does all of this stuff better, what are we really doing here? Why not just have a macOS style mode the iPad goes into when you connect a mouse and keyboard and monitor? The macOS interface is just better once you're using a mouse and keyboard. Note that I'm not saying put macOS on there wholesale. But the UI really should be as close to macOS as it makes sense to do so.
If Stage Manager is not for you, then obviously... don't use it. It's optional. I think people overlook the fact that they don't necessarily have to use Stage Manager.

But what I can't quite grasp is what's wrong with Stage Manager? Don't like the Recent Windows area... disable it. Don't like the dock being shown, disable that as well.

If you're someone who prefers Stage Manager on an iPad over macOS, I'm not saying you are objectively wrong, but we've had enough time now for us all to get used to Stage Manager where I think it's time to admit at least that most people don't like it.
Most people don't like it. Where are you getting this information from? I use Stage Manager daily... along with a portable monitor. It's the best feature Apple has released for the iPad thus far.
 
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If Stage Manager is not for you, then obviously... don't use it. It's optional. I think people overlook the fact that they don't necessarily have to use Stage Manager.

But what I can't quite grasp is what's wrong with Stage Manager? Don't like the Recent Windows area... disable it. Don't like the dock being shown, disable that as well.


Most people don't like it. Where are you getting this information from? I use Stage Manager daily... along with a portable monitor. It's the best feature Apple has released for the iPad thus far.

I've been pretty happy with it myself.
 
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fw85

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Same thing, I like Stage Manager in its current implementation and use it daily.

It's rather the actual mouse & keyboard support that could use some refining - provide an option for a smaller cursor, fix mouse wheel scrolling to be more responsive...
And the holy grail would be, of course, if they would allow macOS apps to be run on iPadOS natively - similarly to how iOS apps are allowed to run on macOS - although i'm not sure how technically feasible this last point actually is, software-wise.
 
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teh_hunterer

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If Stage Manager is not for you, then obviously... don't use it. It's optional. I think people overlook the fact that they don't necessarily have to use Stage Manager.

I didn't say Apple is forcing me to use stage manager. I said it's not a good interface compared to what Apple could do instead.

Most people don't like it. Where are you getting this information from? I use Stage Manager daily... along with a portable monitor. It's the best feature Apple has released for the iPad thus far.

I know you're an iPad laptop replacement diehard, which is fine, but it's safe to say most people outside of the diehard crowd don't like stage manager.

Even if stage manager and iPad's more complicated multitasking features are better than nothing, I think more people would be far more comfortable with more of a desktop interface when they plug in a mouse/keyboard/monitor.
 

teh_hunterer

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How do you know that?

From all the sentiment I've seen from participating for a long time in these types of discussions, and consuming a lot of iPad content, I believe it's safe to say at this point.

You're welcome to disagree. I'm not going to provide a peer reviewed study.
 

xxFoxtail

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And the holy grail would be, of course, if they would allow macOS apps to be run on iPadOS natively - similarly to how iOS apps are allowed to run on macOS - although i'm not sure how technically feasible this last point actually is, software-wise.
I’d switch back to using the iPad as my main computer again if I could run macOS apps natively on it. i much prefer the simpler iPadOS over macOS for my day to day stuff.
 
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