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Brammy

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Frasier Spiers who was a huge advocate of going iPad only for 2 years went back to the Mac and agree with many of his points as to why he done so and written by many on here too.

I listened to that episode. It seemed more like it was the Google Suitr stuff than anything else. However, that is a valid complaint.
 

jeremiah256

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Would highly recommend everyone to listen to this weeks Relay FM episode: https://www.relay.fm/canvas/73

Frasier Spiers who was a huge advocate of going iPad only for 2 years went back to the Mac and agree with many of his points as to why he done so and written by many on here too.
Their logic on why some type of pointer support needs to be added to the iPad Pro (if the rumor of 4K external display support are true) is dead on.
 

Two Stacks

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If done with Apple care, and the keyboard and at 512gb capacity since replacing a laptop that’s about $1500. Then if you add a mouse and LTE you’re in MBP TB territory.
[doublepost=1540796360][/doublepost]I won’t think to do this until the laptops and iPads use the same OS.
 

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If done with Apple care, and the keyboard and at 512gb capacity since replacing a laptop that’s about $1500. Then if you add a mouse and LTE you’re in MBP TB territory.
[doublepost=1540796360][/doublepost]I won’t think to do this until the laptops and iPads use the same OS.
Agree!
 

sonicrobby

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Ugh! This new iPad makes me with I could use an iPad as my sole device! I keep a list of 'features' I still need to allow this, but unfortunately Im still waiting for an "Open in Music" option D: That and I'd likely have to pay $1500/year for an OnShape subscription & however much Office 365 is now to replace my one-time purchases for my mac versions.
 

xxray

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After today, it seems again that the iPad is Apple’s vision of mobile computing. I think over the next 5 years, with updates of iOS and more desktop apps coming to iPad, we will see a large transition. The added USB-C functionality, higher prices, and performance (excited to see how the Geekbench scores and how they compare to current laptops) prove this. Just like the original 12.9” iPad Pro, these devices seem ahead of their time and like we will still have to wait for the software to catch up.
 

dgdosen

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After seeing the new ipps - the hardware is great. But after seeing the awkward (IMO) demo of Adobe photoshop, and after seeing Google's idea of a pixel slate - with touch screen/keyboard/mouse input - I'm convinced that's the future - and an iPad as a replacement will never happen until that happens.

I'd like to see Apple do what Google is doing with ChromeOS/Android/Linux.
 
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DaveN

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I'm on the original iPad mini and also have a 2012 Mac mini. I'm looking for something that is portable and have the capability to do video editing. Will this new iPad suffice? Obviously I don't edit videos on my first gen iPad mini. I'm not looking for professional video editing. Just something for sharing travel videos with family. Thanks.
 

loybond

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I definitely love some of the hardware in the new iPad, no question. The A12X has already outpaced Intel dual cores in many ways. Other things could be improved. RAM is supposedly only 4GB. The screen isn't really much better than previous iterations. To me, the keyboard case is ridiculously priced for its utility at over 2x the price of the Bluetooth Magic Keyboard.

But I'm most disappointed by the software. Some implementation of a file system is essential if the iPad will ever really replace a computer, and I think it will happen at some point, but even with this nice hardware and USB-C (capable of providing enough power for a 2.5" hard drive if needed), this really holds back certain applications. That hardware is just thirsty for real pro apps, like FCPx, logic and others, which Apple didn't deliver on at all.

iMovie as a great example of iPad software being a letdown, is neutered compared to the already basic Mac version. Trying to edit on the iPad, I can't even download mp3s from a free music archive, or a video that I want to incorporate bits from, not even to iCloud. A DJ can't connect a hard drive or flash drive of their collection of music. The frustrating thing is that apps like iMovie in terms of performance, are smooth and very fast to export.

Certain other features are half-baked, like display connectivity. How do you control an extended display, given that their is no mouse? They say it's app specific, but why is there nothing at the OS level? They could have built in a basic level of this, say, the ability to throw up an app playing video or Spotify (or Apple music I guess) on the secondary display.

Like someone else on this forum said, the iPad takes baby steps; takes forever getting there.

Personally I don't have a problem with higher prices, but they do need to come with some form of added value, benefit or utility. Fundamentally, these iPads don't do anything more than the last ones, yet we've seen the price increases on all their products this year.
 
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I definitely love some of the hardware in the new iPad, no question. The A12X has already outpaced Intel dual cores in many ways. Other things could be improved. RAM is supposedly only 4GB. The screen isn't really much better than previous iterations. To me, the keyboard case is ridiculously priced for its utility at over 2x the price of the Bluetooth Magic Keyboard.

But I'm most disappointed by the software. Some implementation of a file system is essential if the iPad will ever really replace a computer, and I think it will happen at some point, but even with this nice hardware and USB-C (capable of providing enough power for a 2.5" hard drive if needed), this really holds back certain applications. That hardware is just thirty for real pro apps, like FCPx, logic and others, which Apple didn't deliver on at all.

iMovie as a great example of iPad software being a letdown, is neutered compared to the already basic Mac version. Trying to edit on the iPad, I can't even download mp3s from a free music archive, or a video that I want to incorporate bits from, not even to iCloud. A DJ can't connect a hard drive or flash drive of their collection of music. The frustrating thing is that apps like iMovie in terms of performance, are smooth and very fast to export.

Certain other features are half-baked, like display connectivity. How do you control an extended display, given that their is no mouse? They say it's app specific, but why is there nothing at the OS level? They could have built in a basic level of this, say, the ability to throw up an app playing video or Spotify (or Apple music I guess) on the secondary display.

Like someone else on this forum said, the iPad takes baby steps; takes forever getting there.

Personally I don't have a problem with higher prices, but they do need to come with some form of added value, benefit or utility. Fundamentally, these iPads don't do anything more than the last ones, yet we've seen the price increases on all their products this year.

The external display just mirrors the iPad’s then? So if I get this right the user’s head will be bobbing between the iPad and the external monitor while executing commands??. Heck at least turn the iPad screen into a giant trackpad.
 

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The latest iPad ad without that dorky kid is reasonably genuine, to the point — until it mentions iPad is unlike a computer. Why do you have to emphasize repeatedly that? It is like saying car is unlike a horse carriage. iPad is not a trackpadless laptop no more than car is not a horseless carriage.
 
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Mahasamatman

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The external display just mirrors the iPad’s then? So if I get this right the user’s head will be bobbing between the iPad and the external monitor while executing commands??. Heck at least turn the iPad screen into a giant trackpad.

It varies. With apps like Netflix you get an external view of the content scaled for the external display, which works well. Others, Sky Go I’m looking at you, refuse to put the content on an external display. iOS itself mirrors the display onto the external screen but does no scaling, you have to dumb-down the resolution on the external display to fit. TBH the least useful approach I could imagine considering that Netflix can put different content in different resolutions on the screen, why can’t iOS itself?
 
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loybond

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At the very least, Netflix should be able to put out 4K + Dolby Digital/Atmos. With their upcoming TV services, this would actually make some kind of sense.

It's such a weird step from a company like Apple, because they refuse to put touchscreens on laptops, and they refuse to allow a file system. They're like hey... we'll add USB-C, not allow 99% of what it can do, but you can connect it to a 4K (layman buzzword alert) and 5K (another buzzword) display, however, we won't let you use that resolution in any way, and although it can extend, the iPad can't really control anything on the extended display because reasons.

They're always talking about the user experience as the primary reason they won't do certain things (touchscreen), where was that thinking with this extended display idea?

It varies. With apps like Netflix you get an external view of the content scaled for the external display, which works well. Others, Sky Go I’m looking at you, refuse to put the content on an external display. iOS itself mirrors the display onto the external screen but does no scaling, you have to dumb-down the resolution on the external display to fit. TBH the least useful approach I could imagine considering that Netflix can put different content in different resolutions on the screen, why can’t iOS itself?
 

Brammy

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It's such a weird step from a company like Apple, because they refuse to put touchscreens on laptops, and they refuse to allow a file system. They're like hey... we'll add USB-C, not allow 99% of what it can do, but you can connect it to a 4K (layman buzzword alert) and 5K (another buzzword) display, however, we won't let you use that resolution in any way, and although it can extend, the iPad can't really control anything on the extended display because reasons.

It feels like the new iPad Pro is paying the price for features getting punted to iOS13. I expect a lot of those to get addressed next year.
 

linkgx1

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For me, an iPad right now is still too dependent me adapting to it rather than it adapting to me. If i only browsed, then it would be fine. But I don't consume as much media as i used to. I also interact on the web (forms, etc.) too much for an iPad to suffice. I think once iPad finally breaks free from being a big iPhone, that's when it becomes a perfect device.
 

loybond

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It seems like that won't happen unfortunately. Web developers are conforming increasingly to mobile standards.

Right on this forum there are plenty of people that call a file system and normal computers "80s thinking" and believe that finding long-winded halfway acceptable solutions are the future.

I think once iPad finally breaks free from being a big iPhone, that's when it becomes a perfect device.
 

linkgx1

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It seems like that won't happen unfortunately. Web developers are conforming increasingly to mobile standards.

Right on this forum there are plenty of people that call a file system and normal computers "80s thinking" and believe that finding long-winded halfway acceptable solutions are the future.
Yeah, the problem is that the iPad isn't even being used to it's full potential. USB-C is a step in the right direction. But I want to be able to do stuff without having ''an app for that''.

Web sites are the worst. I sometimes hate browsing on my iPad simply because the web thinks it's an iPhone. Like...lemme see the whole website or at least a tablet version of it.
 

akash.nu

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It varies. With apps like Netflix you get an external view of the content scaled for the external display, which works well. Others, Sky Go I’m looking at you, refuse to put the content on an external display. iOS itself mirrors the display onto the external screen but does no scaling, you have to dumb-down the resolution on the external display to fit. TBH the least useful approach I could imagine considering that Netflix can put different content in different resolutions on the screen, why can’t iOS itself?

Sky is confined by contractual obligations to not let their apps be able to cast content to external monitors.
 

akash.nu

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Yeah, the problem is that the iPad isn't even being used to it's full potential. USB-C is a step in the right direction. But I want to be able to do stuff without having ''an app for that''.

Web sites are the worst. I sometimes hate browsing on my iPad simply because the web thinks it's an iPhone. Like...lemme see the whole website or at least a tablet version of it.

The whole iOS architecture is based on apps. In fact, Apple is moving towards apps culture on Mac as well. You’re wishing for things to fundamentally change, which I think won’t happen.

Also, websites aren’t really the future, businesses that solely depend on websites are dying or adapting.
 

linkgx1

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I just wish software would catch up to the power of these devices. It's like having a Lamborghini on a horse track. The problem might be more or less the iPhone. I would use my iPad more if more services realized it exists...
 
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iMovie as a great example of iPad software being a letdown, is neutered compared to the already basic Mac version. Trying to edit on the iPad, I can't even download mp3s from a free music archive, or a video that I want to incorporate bits from, not even to iCloud. A DJ can't connect a hard drive or flash drive of their collection of music. The frustrating thing is that apps like iMovie in terms of performance, are smooth and very fast to export.
On the iPad I have been using Readlle's Free Document app to browse to sound library sites like the BBC Sound Effects Library and downloading MP3 files to my iCloud account. I can then import the MP3 file into iMovie on the iPad.
I prefer using LumaTouch for video editing. It allows for three tracks of video and three tracks of audio. Its not free, but at 20 dollars, its really worth the cost. (disclosure, I bought it when it was 15 Dollars)
 

loybond

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Wow, that's really interesting! I just tried Readdle and I was able to download mp3s and video files. Definitely the first app I've come across that can do that.

It's a little bit of a zigzag route to do stuff like this (what isn't on the iPad?), and Gboard doesn't show up on Readdle, but still... Pretty cool!


On the iPad I have been using Readlle's Free Document app to browse to sound library sites like the BBC Sound Effects Library and downloading MP3 files to my iCloud account. I can then import the MP3 file into iMovie on the iPad.
I prefer using LumaTouch for video editing. It allows for three tracks of video and three tracks of audio. Its not free, but at 20 dollars, its really worth the cost. (disclosure, I bought it when it was 15 Dollars)
 
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