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The Samurai

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On the video editing, have you seen the video I linked to? I’m not trying to convince you to switch to iPad, but I’m curious what you think about his findings.

I have indeed.

I've said it in other posts before and i'll say it again, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. By the very same account, I could get an iPhone and be done with my tablet, desktop and laptop.

Video editing on the iPad needs to go a long way before someone who is seriously invested in final cut / premier:

- final cut / premier on iPad
- file system & usb / sd card support - so you know, you can import those heavy files from your DSLR)
- touchpad support (im not saying this for the entire iOS but more a dedicated app per app use in this case final cut or premier. If someone tells you it's better selecting footage with a pencil over a mouse, they are lieing to you)
- external display - they have started to support them in a limited way with the new iPad Pros USB-C port but it needs to be more open and adopted to the users situation.

Until the above is implemented, there's no compelling reason one should invest in an iPad Pro solely (unless your tree grows £££ - in which case I want that tree!). It doesn't do any better in the video editing department than what you could from a laptop.

I think the basic iPad is great for what it is, the price is nice for the type of device that it is. My issue is with the so called Pro devices which do nothing better.
 
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I have indeed.

I've said it in other posts before and i'll say it again, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. By the very same account, I could get an iPhone and be done with my tablet, desktop and laptop.

Video editing on the iPad needs to go a long way before someone who is seriously invested in final cut / premier:

- final cut / premier on iPad
- file system & usb / sd card support - so you know, you can import those heavy files from your DSLR)
- touchpad support (im not saying this for the entire iOS but more a dedicated app per app use in this case final cut or premier. If someone tells you it's better selecting footage with a pencil over a mouse, they are lieing to you)
- external display - they have started to support them in a limited way with the new iPad Pros USB-C port but it needs to be more open and adopted to the users situation.

Until the above is implemented, there's no compelling reason one should invest in an iPad Pro solely (unless your tree grows £££ - in which case I want that tree!). It doesn't do any better in the video editing department than what you could from a laptop.

I think the basic iPad is great for what it is, the price is nice for the type of device that it is. My issue is with the so called Pro devices which do nothing better.

If you look purely at editing on the go with a simple setup, the iPad as a concept can be better than a MacBook Pro. You could also say that to get comparable performance from a MacBook Pro, you have to spend about a thousand dollars more.

So say you already edit on a desktop and are looking for something mobile, iPad could be a valid solution. Pro model specifically, because that offers much more than the regular model as opposed to what you’re saying. The latest tech (Pencil), better display, keyboard and over double the performance for example.

I would not replace my laptop with iPad, but I also wouldn’t say the gap is really that big anymore. There’s a lot of differences in the use cases though, so it’s difficult to generalize.
 

akash.nu

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Yes iPad works great for creative people when it comes to design, video, music. Not so great when it comes to using Microsoft Office.

So we circle back to the same resolution then. Choose the right device for “your” requirements. Even Steve jobs said it while introducing the iPad - it is a new category, not to replace any existing categories.

 

nicho

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not being able to open up multiple files from the same app

My work issued me a 2018 iPad a couple of months ago. I've had one of my own since March... it's for that reason that I've decided putting them side by side (with a logitech K380 keyboard) is better than dropping big $$$ on an ipad pro. With the logitech crayon, the same pencil can write on both screens too without re-pairing.

Handoff seems to be working fairly well, and I get the ability to separate my work/personal stuff.
 
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Momof9

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Me too. For offsite backup I have two time machine hard drives that I switch weekly between home and work. Pretty easy/simple/safe solution, for me much better than paying $10-$15/month.

How exactly are you doing this? What app are you using? I have several different kinds of internal, external and a Wireless Pro drives. Thanks
 

secretk

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The file system is something I’m actually not completely sure about. I can’t fully defend Apple’s decision to not include it and also not allow external storage. I can see reasons why, but also the problems it creates. Maybe it's possible to just enable the parts of that system that allow users to do specific tasks without opening up as much as macOS does. Just like how the USB-C port can only be used for specific devices without compromising security (or whatever Apple's reason is).

Yeah. I would definitely like that. Sounds like a good balance between ensuring iOS security and still being functional.

That's not what I meant, with changing the workflow I mean using iPad for a better workflow in the way it’s meant to be used. Let iPad be what it is and then see how it can be used for your use case. No forcing, that's never good.

Yeah. I agree on this as well. I wanted to stress this not because of you but because there are people here that claim that if the iPad is not working for someone it's their fault because they are not willing to change their workflow. It's a bit more complicated than that.

I think there’s issues that are a result of the iPad’s philosophy and issues that are just minor. For example some people mention the lack of mouse support as one of their issues with iPad, that’s obviously not going to change and just means you’re looking at iPad the wrong way.

I am in the middle when it comes to this. I agree with you. Apple would not offer mouse support for the iPad. However I still mention it because it's one of the reason why iPad cannot replace laptop for me. Granted there might be another way to achieve this, but it seems that Apple had not found it if I still talk about mouse support.

I don’t know what exactly your problem is with Office nor do I know much about software development, but if it’s just about the apps itself then that’s more about the developers than the platform itself. Not sure what the problem with multitasking is either, couldn't that be resolved by a software update?

When it comes to Software Development it's about apps indeed and in general time. I think that it takes time for Developers to offer full set of apps for a certain operating system. It makes sense that there are more apps for Windows compared to iOS. I understand that. On the other hand though for me the experience is not just related to the hardware itself, but also about the software I can use and install. No matter how good the hardware is, if the OS does not allow me to do what I want to do then it's not good enough.

Take Samsung. I like the design of their phones. I hate Touchwiz. As a result I would not buy Samsung phone because I will be constantly annoyed by their Android customization.

Software may have shortcomings, some apps may be lacking, but as far as iPad as a concept goes; I see much more potential for it now than I did a couple of years ago. The hardware has gotten insanely great and apps are getting more powerful every year, with some (from the videos) being arguably more powerful than they were on a desktop/laptop.

I am not the best person to ask about the concept because I don't use tablets. I don't even see my iPad as a tablet. I have never cared about tablets and never will most probably. I honestly need touch screen and stylus. This is what I am for.

I agree with you. The hardware is getting more and more powerful. Unfortunately I am not into video or photos editing. I need power to do Software Development. And for that I need to wait to see the apps being available.
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So we circle back to the same resolution then. Choose the right device for “your” requirements. Even Steve jobs said it while introducing the iPad - it is a new category, not to replace any existing categories.

We circle back and forth on this. I agree with you. And we are doing it because there are usually three groups of people:

1. The first claims that iPad can replace laptops for anyone. Anyone that can't is because it's their fault and they don't understand iOS. Um no. There are certain aspects where iPad sucks. And there are certain things that iOS sucks at.
2. The second group claims that the iPad sucks in general and can never do anything better than laptop. Um no. There are certain things that iPad can do far better than a laptop. Any artist would tell you so. And considering the video we saw on the previous page, it seems that now it's great for music production too. I am not into gaming but I would assume that iPad can be useful there too. It could be great ereader device too.
3. The third group stays in the middle and has to explain to the first two groups every time that iPad is better than a laptop in certain areas and not so good in others.

I am in the third group. Look just because someone can edit music on iPad does not mean that I can use Microsoft Office on an iPad and vice versa.


I honestly do not care what Steve Jobs said. The truth is that currently Apple marketing is playing a game. Some like it, others don't. Apple claims that the new iPad pro is more powerful than more notebooks. I don't care because I can't run there the software I run on my laptop. That's their marketing. Some would be "Oh I can have the most powerful device ever and I can use it for this and that and that". And others would be "Uhm OK, but I can't use it for this and that and that".

Overall normal life :).
 
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ascender

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I've admitted defeat with this one, its just not for me yet. I've returned the 12.9" iPad Pro and much as I'd love an 11" IPP for media consumption, I'm just going to pick up a standard iPad.

For working on the move, I'm going to a MBA - I'm a sucker for the form factor and while I have access to iMacs in the office, I really don't need anything more powerful than that.

A couple of things that really sum up how this experiment went for me...

There's many tasks which are great to do on an iPad, but there's a much greater number which are more convoluted and slower to do when compared to carrying them out on iOS.

iOS is the problem here, the hardware really is amazing, but for these new Pros, they really deserve and need their own version of the operating system which is designed to really bring the hardware and software together as one.
 

eltoslightfoot

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I’ve been using the 10.5 with Smart Keyboard and Apple Pencil for the last 14 days and put my MBP away - to see if I could switch.

To my surprise, I got used to it real quick and find that I actually get more work done on this iPad.

Main reason is the “poor” multi-tasking ability, which essentially forces me to do one thing at a time - and it turns out I get more done because I’m not jumping back and forth between applications! the split screen works great for taking notes or replying to emails while having Bear open for example.

I love the form factor, easy to carry around, light and great battery life.

What I mainly use it for:

* Writing - Bear, Google Docs
* Music - Spotify (and AirPods)
* Email - Apple Mail, Gmail app
* Project management - Asana, Basecamp
* Facebook Ads - Chrome, Safari
* Social Media - Whatever Apps
* File management - Dropbox, Google Drive.
* Reading - Kindle, iBooks, PDF reader

I also like the fact that I can just carry one small charger which lets me charge both my iPad and iPhone.

I completely agree with this. I have written well over 60k words on my iPad Pro 12.9” with Create keyboard (2015). I have written blog posts with the wordpress app. I have edited photos with Affinity Photo for the iPad. I have created digital art with Procreate. Tasks with Omnifocus. Etc., etc., etc. I have a Mac desktop that I still use for certain things, but the ability for the iPad to make me focus in the exact way you describe has been invaluable for me. It may not be able to XCode, but it can do pretty much everything else. And let’s get it out of the way now. I know Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD Unix, Windows, and of course Mac. This iPad Pro is awesome. I have used the crap out of it from 2015 on. The apps have caught up and you can do it all now.
 
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Dave-Z

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The apps have caught up and you can do it all now.

Can you have a group Skype conversation and record each person as a separate file for mixing during post-production?

I get what you're saying and I use my 12.9" iPad Pro (2nd gen) as a primary device, but it cannot do it all. I still need another system for some tasks. Just a few minutes ago I had to look up some drive firmware information on a manufacturer's web site and had to use my Linux desktop because their site wouldn't work in Safari. That's not Apple's fault, per se, but the point is that on a desktop I never say, "Aw man.. I gotta get my iPhone or iPad to do this." There is also no possible way for me to have a proper web inspector, test sites with different browser engines, etc. on an iPad; these are things I need to do at some point (not every day, but regularly).

The iPad really does do just about everything, but these new iPads are way over-powered for what iOS permits.

Now for my parents and my spouse, iPads are all they need. It handles web surfing, calendar, notes, etc. for them without missing a beat.
 

subjonas

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How exactly are you doing this? What app are you using? I have several different kinds of internal, external and a Wireless Pro drives. Thanks

App? I’m not sure what you mean. I was talking about using two alternating time machine backup drives for my Mac (iOS devices are backed up to my Mac so they are also backed up to time machine). Just using that as an example of how I steer clear of the cloud. Are you not familiar with time machine? Or did you think I was talking about backing up the iPad directly?
 

Jonathantuba

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The iPad Pro can do the ‘majority’ of what most people do on their laptops (I know some peoples work requires Mac). I travel with iPad Pro and it will do all I need on the move, but unfortunately there are still a few limitations which mean I must have an iMac on my desk (reluctantly, because I prefer using the iPad) for occasional use.
 

Mahasamatman

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Quite literally the only thing I’ve found I can’t do on my IPad Pro at the moment is to download and copy Fuji camera firmware updates to an SD card. Work is somewhat different, but in my private life everything other than the firmware downloads, I can do. Some of it feels a little clumsy the first time - there’s a learning curve for some tasks - but even then once I’ve done something once, the second time it’s easy.

Having said that, I see a lot of messages about IOS not having a file system. Being pedantic, I don’t think people actually mean that, particularly as iOS got APFS in version 10, before it came to MacOS. You also have the Files application which allows some level of file management, with the caveats that the touch interface is different to a mouse and pointer. What you can’t do immediately is access stuff like a NAS - but FileExplorer allows that for not much cost - so what is it people mean when they say “IOS doesn’t have a file system”? Is it the ability to manage, read and write, removable media?
 
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Momof9

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App? I’m not sure what you mean. I was talking about using two alternating time machine backup drives for my Mac (iOS devices are backed up to my Mac so they are also backed up to time machine). Just using that as an example of how I steer clear of the cloud. Are you not familiar with time machine? Or did you think I was talking about backing up the iPad directly?

I did not know that you were backing up to a Mac. I am trying to see about backing up to a Chromebook. I just bought one because of one site (flash player) I need for my business.

I have my internal HDD (from windows desktop) in a HDD dock. I also have a new My Wireless Pro HD plus other external drives that I can back up my iPP to... Problem - the Chromebook does not do itunes..... I may end up getting a mac mini, if I can’t do a backup. I really. don’t want to get a cheap Windows laptop - they are sooooo slow. At least this Chromebook is not too slow.
 

secretk

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8th gen Intel i5 has 4 cores and no slouch. Replaced my 2015 MacBook with Surface Laptop 2. No need for the i7.

I am interested in how you like the Surface laptop. Do we have such thread in the other OS and devices forum?

I agree with you. Honestly I don't care that much into CPUs anymore. Like sure i7 is faster, but I prefer to invest more in RAM (I am currently with 8, but man I will need 16 GB soon with the way I keep open tabs like crazy) and SSD for the system installation.

I do agree that cheap Windows machines (by cheap I mean like 200/300 $) are not a good buy. Even if they work relatively good in the short term, pretty soon you see them being quite slow and lagging. My mother is using such cheap Lenovo laptop with i5 CPU and 8 GB RAM with having Windows 8.1 installed. Man is this thing slow. It's slow that whenever I come home my mother specifically instructs me to bring my own laptop because I would not tolerate hers.

That being said there are some good machines in the middle class that are decent for browsing and doing stuff from time to time. I would not recommend them for someone that plans to use them as their main device, but as a companion device they are OK.
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I did not know that you were backing up to a Mac. I am trying to see about backing up to a Chromebook. I just bought one because of one site (flash player) I need for my business.

I have my internal HDD (from windows desktop) in a HDD dock. I also have a new My Wireless Pro HD plus other external drives that I can back up my iPP to... Problem - the Chromebook does not do itunes..... I may end up getting a mac mini, if I can’t do a backup. I really. don’t want to get a cheap Windows laptop - they are sooooo slow. At least this Chromebook is not too slow.

You know the best what you need and what you want and it's your money so please don't take this the wrong way. Are you sure that you need mac mini if your only usage will be to backup your iPad. Like I said it's up to you and I do see why you need another machine considering that iTunes is not available for Chromebooks, I just find it weird to have not one but two additional machines aside your new iPad Pro to cover your workflow. Especially if you plan to use that third machine only for backing up your iPad. To me it sounds extreme, but it's up to you and it's your money so in the end of they day you do what you want to do.
 

subjonas

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I did not know that you were backing up to a Mac. I am trying to see about backing up to a Chromebook. I just bought one because of one site (flash player) I need for my business.

I have my internal HDD (from windows desktop) in a HDD dock. I also have a new My Wireless Pro HD plus other external drives that I can back up my iPP to... Problem - the Chromebook does not do itunes..... I may end up getting a mac mini, if I can’t do a backup. I really. don’t want to get a cheap Windows laptop - they are sooooo slow. At least this Chromebook is not too slow.

Oh I see. Yeah, unfortunately the only two ways to backup an ipad that I know of are either through iCloud or iTunes. A used Mac Mini will probably be your cheapest Apple non-iCloud option. I have a Mac Mini that essentially serves as a hub for all my files along with backup to time machine.
 

richpjr

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Here's proof that Pro in iPad Pro stands for Profit$. This is why Tim Cook wants the iPad to replace Macs.

Cost of Clip Studio Paint Pro for MacOS is $25 one time cost while it's $25/year subscription for iPad and it's a lesser stripped down version with worse workflow.

https://www.clipstudio.net/en/purchase

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/clip-studio-paint-ex-for-manga/id1262985592

Not sure I follow your logic since the apps are not made by Apple. Why would Tim Cook care about the pricing model of another company?
 
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The Samurai

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I have written blog posts with the wordpress app.

That's where the iPad pretty much ends at for most of these website builders. I heavily use Shopify and Squarespace for some clients and these are just not feasible to work off from completely on an iPad. They are just about good enough to check on daily or weekly sales from a snapshot point of view or write a blog (lol) but thats about it.

One would think with the simplicity of Squarespace (drag and drop, easy UI), I am surprised creating websites or editing them on iPad is such a chore, coming into the 9th year of iPad.

The problem here is that dev's don't want to invest in iPad apps as it's a strain on their teams and network (having to keep up with 'another' platform) and Apple has no interest thus far to open up Safari so that 'real-work' can be done on it, like you know, with how people in this day and age use a computer for. Squarespace used to have an app a few year ago I believe but then they ended development for it. I would say its one of the main areas in which the iPad is held back for me because I constantly need to edit portfolios and make changes to clients websites on the move and thus I can not carry about an iPad solely - as much as I would love to.

I am not sure what's more disappointing, the fact that Apple haven't opened up Safari for all these years or that it will keep us waiting for the supposed iPad OS update 13 in summer - and by the time it's released, new iPad Pros will be round the corner - putting all that power to waste.
 
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