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ascender

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Has there been any word on whether or not Apple are going to support full-screen support for all apps on external displays and allowing the iPad to be showing a different screen at the same time? I’ve not kept up with beta news so wasn’t sure if its something that’s coming soon or not.
 

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It’s a very specific issue I’ve discovered, but a frustrating one nonetheless. A few of my clients use Citrix virtual desktops for remote connectivity so i spend a lot of my working week using it. They’ve finally added support for mice other than theit own Citrix X1 which has meant I can use my iPad Pro & Magic Keyboard.

All was going well until I plugged it in to an external monitor on my desk at which point the pointer disappears. It still shows up on iPad though. Hmm.... kill the app, retry, restart iPad and it’s the same result. So I hit the support forums at which point I discover its a limitation of iPadOS (described below) ?

I knew support for external displays was limited, but didn’t realise there were more limitations than the well known ones around the letterboxed display & constant mirroring. I should have done my research. but its back to the drawing board for me.

for those interested, the issue is;

When you're in other apps (or in Workspace outside a session), the iPad screen is just mirrored onto the external display. This includes the native mouse cursor. This is the default behavior if an app is not doing anything explicit with the external display.

When you're in Workspace in a session and with the External Display option enabled (found in Application Settings > Display Options), Workspace uses the external monitor as a separate screen to take advantage of the larger monitor resolution. When an external display is configured as a separate screen, the iPad screen is no longer mirrored - the content on the external display can be different. That means the native mouse cursor is not mirrored either. This is because the two screens could now be showing different content and use different resolutions, different aspect ratio, etc. So iPadOS does not show the native mouse cursor on the external display in such case. iPadOS does not yet have support to allow using a generic mouse or trackpad on an external display, if the external display is configured as a separate screen as mentioned above.

You can however disable the External Display option in Workspace settings. That will allow the session screen to be mirrored onto the external display, and that will include the native mouse cursor also. It means though the session displayed on the external display will be using the same resolution as the iPad screen itself.

The only way to make use of the full external display resolution and still be able to interact with the content on the external display with a mouse, is using a Citrix X1 Mouse. The X1 mouse in this case will be used as generic mouse when outside a session or in other apps, and will be used as a desktop mouse with a pointer cursor when inside a session. When an external display is connected while in session and with the External Display option enabled, the X1 mouse pointer will show on the external display instead of the iPad screen.

We're soon releasing support in Workspace for generic mouse/trackpad support for right-click/hover/scroll events while in session (like you get with an X1 mouse), but that will be limited to the iPad screen only, due to the above iPadOS limitations.
 

MyopicPaideia

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It’s a very specific issue I’ve discovered, but a frustrating one nonetheless. A few of my clients use Citrix virtual desktops for remote connectivity so i spend a lot of my working week using it. They’ve finally added support for mice other than theit own Citrix X1 which has meant I can use my iPad Pro & Magic Keyboard.

All was going well until I plugged it in to an external monitor on my desk at which point the pointer disappears. It still shows up on iPad though. Hmm.... kill the app, retry, restart iPad and it’s the same result. So I hit the support forums at which point I discover its a limitation of iPadOS (described below) ?

I knew support for external displays was limited, but didn’t realise there were more limitations than the well known ones around the letterboxed display & constant mirroring. I should have done my research. but its back to the drawing board for me.

for those interested, the issue is;
? So why can Jump Desktop do it? If you are in a remote session, aren’t you using the remote cursor and not the iPad’s native cursor? I mean, what has been described to you is absolutely true, the native iPad cursor does not go up to an extended external view on the apps that use the function (Luma Fusion, etc.), but you are getting a real mouse pointer in Citrix virtual desktops, right? Not the iPad translucent circle cursor?
 
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ascender

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? So why can Jump Desktop do it? If you are in a remote session, aren’t you using the remote cursor and not the iPad’s native cursor? I mean, what has been described to you is absolutely true, the native iPad cursor does not go up to an extended external view on the apps that use the function (Luma Fusion, etc.), but you are getting a real mouse pointer in Citrix virtual desktops, right? Not the iPad translucent circle cursor?

Yeah, i’ve read it a few times and am not entirely sure why they’re blaming iPadOS. Especially as the functionality works for their own Citrix Mouse.
 
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MyopicPaideia

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Yeah, i’ve read it a few times and am not entirely sure why they’re blaming iPadOS. Especially as the functionality works for their own Citrix Mouse.
Yeah, funny thing is, that Jump Desktop also used to only support the Citrix X1 and the Swift GT as well, but when mouse support went mainstream, they were very quick on the uptake with adding universal support for generic mice and trackpads.
 
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Shanghaichica

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I think younger people prefer use of a handheld device like a phone as opposed to a tablet.
I’m not younger (30’s). My phone is my favourite device because it’s more accessible. I can get a lot done on their and it’s small (in comparison) and compact. However I’m not under the illusion that only my phone will suffice hence also having 2 iPads and a MacBook.
 

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What is / are the main ergonomic pain points you're running into with this combo?
The typing experience is cramped. Even on my 11 inch iPad Pro with Smart Keyboard. I think the best typing experience I had on an iPad was with the Logitech combo keyboard I had with my old 10.5 inch iPad Pro. However it still paled in comparison to my MacBook.
 

ascender

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Yeah, funny thing is, that Jump Desktop also used to only support the Citrix X1 and the Swift GT as well, but when mouse support went mainstream, they were very quick on the uptake with adding universal support for generic mice and trackpads.

Citrix have been very slow with their updates in comparison to Jump Desktop.

I’m just gutted I never tested this first - I just assumed (I know...) it would work, because why wouldn’t it?!
 

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The typing experience is cramped. Even on my 11 inch iPad Pro with Smart Keyboard. I think the best typing experience I had on an iPad was with the Logitech combo keyboard I had with my old 10.5 inch iPad Pro. However it still paled in comparison to my MacBook.

Thanks, that makes sense. I never did a lot of typing on 9'7" iPads - it's only really become a thing when I moved to the 12,9" iPad Pro (2nd gen) and this thing's large enough for proper key spacing.
 

ascender

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The typing experience is cramped. Even on my 11 inch iPad Pro with Smart Keyboard. I think the best typing experience I had on an iPad was with the Logitech combo keyboard I had with my old 10.5 inch iPad Pro. However it still paled in comparison to my MacBook.

I really want to try a Magic Keyboard on the 11” iPad Pro as I think it could make a great ultra-portable device and I really do miss the trackpad from a MK when you go back to just using a Smart Keyboard Folio.
 

xxray

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One of my biggest regular limitations that makes me want to stick with Mac is that there’s no easy way to copy an image’s url in Safari. It’s such a basic feature that I use everyday. You used to be able to with ‘peek and pop’ just hold down the image, go straight to the image url, and copy from the address bar. But Apple took that functionality away either in iOS 12 or 13.

Yes, there are other browsers I can use that have this feature, but then I won’t be having my Safari tabs syncing across my devices.
 
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Shanghaichica

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I really want to try a Magic Keyboard on the 11” iPad Pro as I think it could make a great ultra-portable device and I really do miss the trackpad from a MK when you go back to just using a Smart Keyboard Folio.
The trackpad part of the magic keyboard I don’t doubt I’d I like. The keyboard experience will be better than the Smart Keyboard for sure. However it still has pretty much the same ergonomics.
 
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I really want to try a Magic Keyboard on the 11” iPad Pro as I think it could make a great ultra-portable device and I really do miss the trackpad from a MK when you go back to just using a Smart Keyboard Folio.
I really like the Magic Keyboard on my iPad Pro 11.” It is very easy to type on; much like a MBP in many ways. It doesn’t feel cramped to me at all. The hyphen and += keys are smaller than normal which bothers me at times.
 

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I really like the Magic Keyboard on my iPad Pro 11.” It is very easy to type on; much like a MBP in many ways. It doesn’t feel cramped to me at all. The hyphen and += keys are smaller than normal which bothers me at times.

Except for the top row of keys are too close to bottom of iPad.

As far as a laptop/mac replacement it's a no for me, i prefer a iPad to be used as a tablet with folio case.
 

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As I wrote in another thread - my iPad Air with a Logitech keyboard with a trackpad has become more comfortable when I write longer texts. But I do it so rarely that on a daily basis I am bothered by the increased weight of the iPad, even with the keyboard disconnected.

However, after these experiences, I would prefer to use iPad as an iPad, without a heavy case. I would like to change Air to my lovely iPad mini ... as soon as I buy a Mac computer ...
 
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Jglez

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Mods, shall create a new thread for this subject? I find that as it has gone on for so long, even prior to iPadOS, it is quite difficult for anyone getting into this subject to actually go through the 67 pages of posts there are now.
 
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Jglez

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There are threads with much longer page counts than this one.

Saying that it is much worse somewhere else does not really get us anywhere better.

The point is there is a big thread here with an important subject, and it goes as far back as 2014 when a lot of the iPads capabilities were not where they are today with the recent updates (i.e iPadOS, iOS13/14, Magic Keyboard). Users need to really sort out and read through the whole thread to find something that may not apply today.
 
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Saying that it is much worse somewhere else does not really get us anywhere better.

The point is there is a big thread here with an important subject, and it goes as far back as 2014 when a lot of the iPads capabilities were not where they are today with the recent updates (i.e iPadOS, iOS13/14, Magic Keyboard). Users need to really sort out and read through the whole thread to find something that may not apply today.
You missed my point. I don't think this thread has an issue.
 
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AndyMacAndMic

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Saying that it is much worse somewhere else does not really get us anywhere better.

The point is there is a big thread here with an important subject, and it goes as far back as 2014 when a lot of the iPads capabilities were not where they are today with the recent updates (i.e iPadOS, iOS13/14, Magic Keyboard). Users need to really sort out and read through the whole thread to find something that may not apply today.

In my opinion it is easier to search within one thread for a subject than finding all kinds of fragmented threads with different titles in this entire forum first and than search in them. In the 'find' option there is the option to search within the current thread.

Also (mods correct me if I am wrong) what moderators tend to do on MR is to merge threads with the same subjects. This makes categorisation of subjects more uncluttered and clearer. This, however, is in contrast to what you suggest/want.

Others already have mentioned that a thread with 67 pages is not a really big thread. There are threads with thousands of pages. It is still easier to search within one such a thread than if it was divided over multiple threads. The search facility provides options for that.

Your opinion matters, but I think there are lots of other opinions (including mine) disagreeing with yours.
 
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ascender

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Searching within a single thread like this is a really good tip. But I guess where a thread is subjective discussion rather than objective (i.e. how do I fix this problem), there might not be anything you can really search for.

I tend to just sit down and read threads like this from start to finish or just go 5/10 pages back and go from there.
 
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