Ipad (change going to come)

[dgree03]

Did you miss the part about iPad specific applications? And the OS GUI does have modifications to take advantage of the larger screen.

Im sorry I misspoke.. it OS is the same... and the software each has is the same.. but yes there will be some ipad specific apps, most of which will just be bigger versions of the iphone/ipt apps

Except for where the design is different. You can start with the larger bezel.

It's only irrelevant because it doesn't fit in with your argument. A faster and more energy efficient processor has many more benefits than games.

No, its irrelevant because it is irrelevant... unless this thing is rendering video, processing music tracks there will only be a difference seen in games... and that will only be because the screen res on the ipad, not because most games will be that different from there current iphone/ipt counterparts

So, even though it is different, it isn't really different because it doesn't support your argument.

What exactly is the same? They both run the iPhone OS. And they both are in tablet form factor. Which was pretty much inevitable for an Apple tablet.

They both have the same hardware design and layout..
they both need a computer to function in its complete form
Neither can access files on the OS OUTSIDE of the app itself
Ipt has a camera at least...
Ipad will need to be carried from place to place just like a laptop would... too big to fit in pocket(advantage ipt)

Your not increase portablity over your laptop/desktop... your decreasing portablity over your iphone/ipt...

You are increasing home screen size.. but using the same grid structure the iphone with a 3.5in screen has...

I can go all day...

 

[Carouser]

LOL a monitor versus and mouse?? Where do you pull your logic from...

You asked me to compare an iPad to something it's not intended to replace.

if they try to hold it up like its the second coming

No one is doing this, you're still flailing against the wind, congratulations.

'Unrelated' note: is there an 'ignore user' button?

 

[dgree03]

You asked me to compare an iPad to something it's not intended to replace.



No one is doing this, you're still flailing against the wind, congratulations.

'Unrelated' note: is there an 'ignore user' button?

Ipad is not intended to best a netbook or fill that niche better than a netbook? really? someone should tell steve jobs then...

There are a bunch of people on this very forum.. justifing an apple product that is just a rehash of something already on the market...

 

[BaldiMac]

Im sorry I misspoke.. it OS is the same... and the software each has is the same.

Again the software each has is different. And there are differences in the OS GUI.

but yes there will be some ipad specific apps, most of which will just be bigger versions of the iphone/ipt apps

With more efficient interfaces that take advantage of the larger screen and faster processor.

No, its irrelevant because it is irrelevant... unless this thing is rendering video, processing music tracks there will only be a difference seen in games... and that will only be because the screen res on the ipad, not because most games will be that different from there current iphone/ipt counterparts

Processing speed is not irrelevant. That's just willful ignorance to support your argument. Web page rendering is significantly sped up on the iPad vs the iPod touch. There are a multitude of applications in addition to rendering video and processing music tracks that will benefit from a faster and more efficient processor.

They both have the same hardware design and layout..

No, they don't. They have different hardware and different design. Button layout is similar. All you are saying is that they are both tablets. Kinda hard to make a tablet that isn't a tablet.

they both need a computer to function in its complete form

Okay? They really only need a computer for OS updates and backups, but whatever.

Neither can access files on the OS OUTSIDE of the app itself

That's not true.

Ipt has a camera at least...

No, it doesn't.

Ipad will need to be carried from place to place just like a laptop would... too big to fit in pocket(advantage ipt)

No one is arguing with that fact, but you keep repeating it.

Your not increase portablity over your laptop/desktop...

That's not true.

your decreasing portablity over your iphone/ipt...

No one is arguing with that fact, but you keep repeating it.

You are increasing home screen size.. but using the same grid structure the iphone with a 3.5in screen has...

So?

I can go all day...

I'm sure you could.

 

[CylonGlitch]

You guys keep on typing and all I read is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....

If you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't.

 

[BaldiMac]

You guys keep on typing and all I read is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....

If you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't.

If you want to discuss it, discuss it, if you don't, don't.

 

[CylonGlitch]

If you want to discuss it, discuss it, if you don't, don't.

Discussion are great, watching two people bicker about things that is irrelevant isn't very conducive to the environment. If they are going to do that, at least be funny.

 

[fobfob]

There are a bunch of people on this very forum.. justifing an apple product that is just a rehash of something already on the market...

You are confusing technology with use. When Dell comes out with a new laptop do you say "oh that's just a rehash of something already on the market"? (Because that's what it is.) No, you look at its specifications and decide whether you want to buy it or not, and move on.

When Ford brings out a mid size sedan that looks quite similar to a larger or smaller car recently launched, do you say "that's just a rehash of something already on the market"? Because it is. All the technology is the same, maybe a few tweaks (ala iPad). No, you say, "wow this one I can actually put my whole family in, I'm gonna buy it!"

The point is that people look at how they will use something, not whether it is a "rehash" of previous technology. I think this gets to the heart of your "issue" with Apple. If each new product is not a totally new, ground up, green fields development using some sort of amazing technology, then you complain that it is just a "rehash". Hmm..

Now, I've been saying since it was launched that the hype from Apple itself is way over the top this time, starting with the video and yes, the term "magical" stretches credulity too far. But that has nothing to do with whether or not the iPad has a market, and whether it is better than some things than other devices.

Simply dismissing it as 'just a big iPod touch' is to ignore end user application. This kind of myopic feature-centric thinking is exactly the paradigm that Apple escapes time and time again. It is what allows them to find the 'whitespace' (or blue ocean) in the market, that is, where competitors don't go because their world view won't let them imagine it.

BTW your mistake is where you claimed that the iPad is no more productive than an iPod touch. Umm, iWork? I rest my case.

 

[jeznav]

The bigger the better.

As an iPhone developer, I have so many ideas on what can be developed on 1024x768 resolution vs. 480x320. Noone yet understands how a larger screen estate can give more multitouch freedom. I can tell you that it's simply elegant and intuitive which is something you don't see on the desktop OS.

A couple of dev groups I've talked to a week before; I was astounded by the apps they were making. When I say elegant in design, it looks more like MS Courier and yes, its more productive than what a regular mouse can do.

 

[dgree03]

You are confusing technology with use. When Dell comes out with a new laptop do you say "oh that's just a rehash of something already on the market"? (Because that's what it is.) No, you look at its specifications and decide whether you want to buy it or not, and move on.

When Ford brings out a mid size sedan that looks quite similar to a larger or smaller car recently launched, do you say "that's just a rehash of something already on the market"? Because it is. All the technology is the same, maybe a few tweaks (ala iPad). No, you say, "wow this one I can actually put my whole family in, I'm gonna buy it!"

The point is that people look at how they will use something, not whether it is a "rehash" of previous technology. I think this gets to the heart of your "issue" with Apple. If each new product is not a totally new, ground up, green fields development using some sort of amazing technology, then you complain that it is just a "rehash". Hmm..

Now, I've been saying since it was launched that the hype from Apple itself is way over the top this time, starting with the video and yes, the term "magical" stretches credulity too far. But that has nothing to do with whether or not the iPad has a market, and whether it is better than some things than other devices.

Simply dismissing it as 'just a big iPod touch' is to ignore end user application. This kind of myopic feature-centric thinking is exactly the paradigm that Apple escapes time and time again. It is what allows them to find the 'whitespace' (or blue ocean) in the market, that is, where competitors don't go because their world view won't let them imagine it.

BTW your mistake is where you claimed that the iPad is no more productive than an iPod touch. Umm, iWork? I rest my case.

I get most of what your saying.. but people on this thread need to really.. really come up with some better comparisons/analogies

And yes im not just talking about the product its self, im talking about all the hype around the product and what was revealed to the masses.