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Digitalguy

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They didn’t improve that anti reflective coating then on the Galaxy tab? That’s a bit unfortunate.
Do they even have an anti-reflective coating at all? That's the main issue with Samsung tablet screens, in the dark they have virtually no competitors but with light that amoled screen loses much of its advantages because the reflections make the colors much more muted. Again I use a screen protector on both iPads and Samsung tablets because I can't stand reflections and, above all, fingerprints, but all matte screen protector degrade the quality to some extent.
 
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Isengardtom

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possibly but that includes the iPad 6 from 2018 so I feel that might be a bit early

they could very well limit some of the features though
 
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rui no onna

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possibly but that includes the iPad 6 from 2018 so I feel that might be a bit early

they could very well limit some of the features though

I was installing and prepping the iPad 6 (A10/2GB) at home and it was annoyingly laggy. Even opening Settings and Messages took a while to render all the GUI elements. Don't have that issue on the iPad 7 (A10/3GB). With that said, Apple does have more lax standards for firmware performance. If it were up to me, I'd keep the Air 2 on iOS 12 max.
 
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Night Spring

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I was installing and prepping the iPad 6 (A10/2GB) at home and it was annoyingly laggy. Even opening Settings and Messages took a while to render all the GUI elements. Don't have that issue on the iPad 7 (A10/3GB). With that said, Apple does have more lax standards for firmware performance. If it were up to me, I'd keep the Air 2 on iOS 12 max.
I have an iPad Air 2 on the latest iOS 15 beta, and have no problems.
 
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code-m

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No, I don’t think they’re really hobbling iPadOS. What I meant was that pro apps like Final Cut and Logic are either not available for iPadOS or are only available in hobbled versions (that is, I believe iPadOS isn’t hobbled, but would be pro apps ARE, most likely due to the lower cost of software on the App Store than on the Mac). I believe these apps largely could exist on the iPad and on iPadOS in their full functionality, but they don’t because of the generally lower cost of iPad apps. For instance, the OmniGroup apps (about as pro as they come) have very full functioned iOS/iPadOS versions (including automation scripting), but they charge prices that are more in line with the macOS software market than the iOS App Store’s.

There may be niche use cases where the iPadOS isn’t as effective (multi-display support, for instance), but Apple can address those if there’s a need for it (look at the iPad’s mouse cursor support). For the most part, though, there’s very little “pro software” that can’t exist in some capacity on the iPad as is. The hardware is clearly powerful enough, and I’d argue that the software generally is, too. (Most pro software doesn’t actually need to operate outside of the sandbox or doesn’t actually need specialty hardware.) Pretty much the only software that CAN’T run outside of the sandbox is software development software, especially ones dependent on local servers like node.js or on compilers. (And I think Apple could certainly add a virtualization framework similar to the one on M1 based Macs that would address the needs of CLI based/background [think compilers] development tools.)
So if an iPadOS app is on par with a macOS app there is nothing limiting the developer from charging the same price.

The fact that Apple released a touchpad with a cursor to navigate iPadOS already tells me that even their feel touchUI/UX is limiting. The hardware is quite capable considering an M1 is in an iPadPro including MBA/P, iMac and a variant in the 2021 Pro lineup.

I suspect that iPadOS will either gain some advance mode that is automatically enabled or user initiated or Apple will place some artificial limitation. iPadOS would not permit any app to access more RAM that the hardware had.
 
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Night Spring

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Meanwhile, I find it way too slow/laggy. To be honest, wish I’d just kept the Air 2 on iOS 10.
I did do a clean install at some point -- sometime after I got the original iPad Pro and the Air2 became my backup device. I now have the bare minimum apps on the Air2. Wonder if that makes a difference?
 
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Digitalguy

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Meanwhile, I find it way too slow/laggy. To be honest, wish I’d just kept the Air 2 on iOS 10.
I sold the Air 2 on IOS 12 and it was okish, not really a big difference with iOS 10. But I am glad I left my mini 2 on IOS 10. My mini 4 has become slow and laggy on iPadOS 14, to the point it's now very similar to the mini 2, while it used to be way faster
 
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Digitalguy

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So if an iPadOS app is on par with a macOS app there is nothing limiting the developer from charging the same price.

The fact that Apple released a touchpad with a cursor to navigate iPadOS already tells me that even their feel touchUI/UX is limiting. The hardware is quite capable considering an M1 is in an iPadPro including MBA/P, iMac and a variant in the 2021 Pro lineup.

I suspect that iPadOS will either gain some advance mode that is automatically enabled or user initiated or Apple will place some artificial limitation. iPadOS would not permit any app to access more RAM that the hardware had.
There are 2 main limiting factors for developers, the investment in making (and maintaining) a touch optimized interface and, above all, a 30% cut, even if they charge the same price as for the Mac version...
 
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Part of the draw for the iPad is the aspect ratio. I prefer that over a 16:10 AS that Samsung is currently using with the S7 and S8 tablets. For movies the Sammy's have an advantage as well as in landscape mode using a browser. I sometimes will watch live sports scores and the extra width helps out in showing extra content on the screen but in portrait mode it becomes unsightly and in landscape mode it's huge and heavy holding on to it. That's the main reason why I decided against the S8 Ultra, too big for me.

I'm looking forward to see what the new iPad Pro's look like and what kind of speed bump they get. I'm tempted at getting the newly released 12.9" iPad Pro this year.
Wait, companies still make 16:10 display panels?! That was one of the worst ideas we ever had in display tech! You still get horizontal bars with HD video, yet you lose the benefits of 4:3 (in either landscape or portrait).
 
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Digitalguy

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Wait, companies still make 16:10 display panels?! That was one of the worst ideas we ever had in display tech! You still get horizontal bars with HD video, yet you lose the benefits of 4:3 (in either landscape or portrait).
FYI, most MacBooks have 16:10 displays
 
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FYI, most MacBooks have 16:10 displays
Alas, I wasn’t super fond of the 16:10 display on my 2007 MacBook. Meant that a lot of media was just ever so slightly off (or vertically stretched). The pain would have been worse if I were watching more HD video content back then or trying to use 16:9 images as wallpaper (instead, I tended to limit myself to InterfaceLift’s lesser selection of 16:10 cropped images). That said, the MacBook’s desktop (ie minus the menu bar) may have been around 16:9, so you could run it in windowed mode to an extent. On a tablet for video, I’d rather have the 16:9.
 
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Digitalguy

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Alas, I wasn’t super fond of the 16:10 display on my 2007 MacBook. Meant that a lot of media was just ever so slightly off (or vertically stretched). The pain would have been worse if I were watching more HD video content back then or trying to use 16:9 images as wallpaper (instead, I tended to limit myself to InterfaceLift’s lesser selection of 16:10 cropped images). That said, the MacBook’s desktop (ie minus the menu bar) may have been around 16:9, so you could run it in windowed mode to an extent. On a tablet for video, I’d rather have the 16:9.
16:10 is a compromise, and compromise is good when you have only 1 device. For anything other that video watching, 4:3 and 3:2 are generally better, maybe with the exception of those who do a lot of split screen on a laptop (I don't, I use an external monitor)
But if you watch video on a tablet 16:10 is as good as it gets, there is no decent 16:9 tablet anymore unfortunately...
 
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Heat_Fan89

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Wait, companies still make 16:10 display panels?! That was one of the worst ideas we ever had in display tech! You still get horizontal bars with HD video, yet you lose the benefits of 4:3 (in either landscape or portrait).
16:10 was a compromise. I prefer 4:3 or 5:4 but those are rare today. Tech companies decided that 16:10 followed by 16:9 was the way to go as streaming services began to launch and people began to watch movies on their laptops. It was just a progression when DVD players were in laptops.

But to answer your question, 16:10 are still being used. Samsung decided to go back to that aspect ratio which is quite surprising because prior to that they switched from 16:10 to 4:3 display panels when they decided to copy the iPad.
 
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DeepSix

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It's not just a matter of space, I have the space at my place, and I have no budget issues (= I could have both a big TV and a big tablet), but, as I said above "I have no interest in a TV. I want to start my movie, TV program or whatever in one room (e.g. the kitchen), then move to another, then go back etc. Not to be stuck in one room or to have to stop the movie. But everyone is different...."
Any tablet stand can hold the ultra, they can easily hold a heavier surface pro, the ultra is a piece of cake for a tablet stand (let alone the fact that you can also magnetically attach a kickstand). I have at least one tablet stand in each room

I know what you mean. I don't want a TV either, I use a 28" 4K monitor mounted above my desktop as a dual purpose monitor. It works perfect and I didn't have to spend a lot of money for it. And then if I watch TV in bed, I use my Surface Pro for that. This is why I think the Ultra will sell well, you can carry it around the house unlike a TV.
 

Digitalguy

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I know what you mean. I don't want a TV either, I use a 28" 4K monitor mounted above my desktop as a dual purpose monitor. It works perfect and I didn't have to spend a lot of money for it. And then if I watch TV in bed, I use my Surface Pro for that. This is why I think the Ultra will sell well, you can carry it around the house unlike a TV.
Funny enough, I use a 28" 4K monitor too with my Windows desktop or sometimes also my M1 Mac Mini or my Windows Surface clone (in my case it's a 3:2 monitor from Huawei bought on Cybermonday for under $500). I watch TV and youtube on my tablets, but for movies around the house, especially 21:9 ones, even the 12.9 iPad is a bit too small. I have a surface book 2 15in but the battery on the tablet is terrible (1 hour). The ultra will be just as large or larger for videos, lighter and with great battery life (and better screen and speakers, although the SB2 has pretty good screen and speakers already)
 
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DeepSix

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16:10 is a compromise, and compromise is good when you have only 1 device. For anything other that video watching, 4:3 and 3:2 are generally better, maybe with the exception of those who do a lot of split screen on a laptop (I don't, I use an external monitor)
But if you watch video on a tablet 16:10 is as good as it gets, there is no decent 16:9 tablet anymore unfortunately...

Also, I think it depends on how large your devices are for screen size. Larger screens like monitors at 16:10 or even 16:9 aren't so critical because the screen is large. But smaller portable devices like ipads or other tablets, you notice the drawbacks of a wide device way more. Plus carrying a portable 4:3 or 3:2 device is noticeably more balanced in the hand than carrying a 16:10 device.
 
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rui no onna

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I did do a clean install at some point -- sometime after I got the original iPad Pro and the Air2 became my backup device. I now have the bare minimum apps on the Air2. Wonder if that makes a difference?

The Air 2 just has YouTube, Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO Max and Twitch installed. Video streaming is OK but I hate using it for web browsing or multitasking of any kind. Feels like it's slower re-opening background apps than to just launch the apps from scratch.
 

Night Spring

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The Air 2 just has YouTube, Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO Max and Twitch installed. Video streaming is OK but I hate using it for web browsing or multitasking of any kind. Feels like it's slower re-opening background apps than to just launch the apps from scratch.
I'm just very puzzled why our experiences are so different. Web browsing on my Air2 feels exactly the same as when I first got it. Multitasking, I don't do much on the Air2, because I find the screen too small.
 
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kc9hzn

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I'm just very puzzled why our experiences are so different. Web browsing on my Air2 feels exactly the same as when I first got it. Multitasking, I don't do much on the Air2, because I find the screen too small.
Maybe it has something to do with Safari content blockers? If you make judicious use of one that blocks many ads and trackers, that should minimize how much memory Safari uses for that page, which should minimize page reloads. It could also be due to differences in web browsing habits (types of pages you visit, number of tabs you open, that sort of thing).
 

Mainsail

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I think the M1 MBA has really changed the game. At $999 retail and $899 education discount, the M1 MBA is tough competition for the 12.9 in iPP, which retails for $1,100 with half the storage. If you add the Magic keyboard ($350), you are looking at $1,450 for a device with iPadOS that restricts multi-tasking, file management, and other basic day-to-day activities.

The iPad used to have an advantage in portability, but the 12.9in IPP with MKB is about the same footprint and weight as the MBA, so what is the point? Also, the iPad used to have better battery life than MacBooks, but now the MBA has better battery life than the iPad.

I think the Pro is more of a niche product for people that really need a touch screen with pencil for drawing and artwork. For the average college student or office worker, the MBA seems like a better value.

BTW - I thought note taking would be a major advantage for the iPad, but frankly, it does not work well for me. I find it very cumbersome to write notes on a glass screen, and I don't want to cover-up my screen with a protector. On You tube there are folks that have success with it. For me, it is easier to keep a paper journal and then type a summary Note at the end of the day....usually just a few bullets from each meeting so it only takes a couple of minutes. It is a good way to reflect on the day and review action items.
 
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