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iPhone SE (2016) iPad mini 5 is out. Now a new SE?

There are all these different iPhone and iPad models now but I believe it is in Apple's interest to differentiate with niches and follow Tim Cook's reusing of parts. It is an enormous market. I don't buy that there's no scope to have a size other than large and extra large.

With slowing sales, maturing tech, Apple's stated emphasis on services and a high risk of pricing iPhones out of their own market with the XS/XR, there needs to be as many entrances into the Apple garden as possible. Millions and millions of people cannot afford these prices with the XS/XR, yet they have had iPhones in the past and are attracted. Don't alienate them.
 
apple is going forward with all this new service world (tv, magazines, etc) I don't see a 4 inch display for that...

but as always, no ones knows nothing haha
 
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MartyvH said:
There are all these different iPhone and iPad models now but I believe it is in Apple's interest to differentiate with niches and follow Tim Cook's reusing of parts. It is an enormous market. I don't buy that there's no scope to have a size other than large and extra large.

With slowing sales, maturing tech, Apple's stated emphasis on services and a high risk of pricing iPhones out of their own market with the XS/XR, there needs to be as many entrances into the Apple garden as possible. Millions and millions of people cannot afford these prices with the XS/XR, yet they have had iPhones in the past and are attracted. Don't alienate them.
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I gather the XS is priced high starting at 1000, but how is the XR in that same category? It’s $250 cheaper, and all of Apples iPhones previously with the {8, 7,6S and 6} are priced where the XR technically is. I don’t think the XR should be classified as one of those phones that’s being overly priced, not when the XS is well above that.

Now, I realize the XR is still priced high in certain countries, but I don’t think it’s exorbitantly priced where it’s out of reach for the average consumer either. Not when you have the majority who finance phone through carriers and trade-ins as it is.
 
I'm not sure if there ever will be iPhone SE 2. I just wanted to tune in and say that people thinking SE owners are poor or it's a phone for emerging markets are silly. People in emerging markets prefer Android for a reason - it's got much better price/performance ratio. iPhone SE was released to satisfy people opting for smaller phones.

I'm one of them. My iPhone SE has weak battery. I was considering selling it off but seeing that anything sensible is now 5,5" or larger, I'm out. I'll just replace battery.
 
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I'm not sure if there ever will be iPhone SE 2. I just wanted to tune in and say that people thinking SE owners are poor or it's a phone for emerging markets are silly. People in emerging markets prefer Android for a reason - it's got much better price/performance ratio. iPhone SE was released to satisfy people opting for smaller phones.

I'm one of them. My iPhone SE has weak battery. I was considering selling it off but seeing that anything sensible is now 5,5" or larger, I'm out. I'll just replace battery.
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I'm considering getting the SE for 249 on the Apple Clearance section. The 4.7 inch phones are fine, but as a guy, I put my phone in my front pocket and the 5.5 inch phones are too big!
 
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I'm considering getting the SE for 249 on the Apple Clearance section. The 4.7 inch phones are fine, but as a guy, I put my phone in my front pocket and the 5.5 inch phones are too big!
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Same here. I keep my phone in my front jeans pocket. Only iPhone SE fits perfectly and I don't feel it there. I've got a Huawei P9 as a job phone and it doesn't even fit in the pocket - top sticks out of it! Don't even get me started on trying to sit down with it in the pocket.

Also, I love how I can effortlessly use my phone one handed on bus and tram all the while holding onto something. I can easly rotate my phone in hand and have never dropped it. Coming from 6S back when it was top of the line, it felt amazing (6S was extremely slippery).

I just prefer this size. Would I like better screen to body ratio? Sure! Would I like new tech in it? Sure! I can pay for it but the consensus is, people love phablets. I can't wrap my head around why. I use my phone for texting, calls, YT, Netflix, Spotify, fitness tracking, e-mail. I watch videos only on the bus/tram and when I'm home I've got TV, computer, laptop. I'd never pick up my iPhone overy any of those devices at home. Mobility and ergonomics are the most important for me.

I feel really sorry for people who use iPhone as the primary device for: movies, paying bills, spreadsheet etc. I guess they'd buy 10" phones if such were offered. I've got other devices for such use cases.
 
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Merode said:
I feel really sorry for people who use iPhone as the primary device for: movies, paying bills, spreadsheet etc. I guess they'd buy 10" phones if such were offered. I've got other devices for such use cases.
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For me the camera is important.. and the SE camera is not good nowadays... once you try the XR camera, sadly there is no turning back, even the 8 camera is really really great compared to the SE.

I remember when I bought the SE and say "WOW, the camera is the same as the 6s!"

How we became so unsatisfied with this things so fast!
 
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yay mini 5 is out

But when would an se2 announcement or release come at this point since it’s now April and bunch of products have been announced released and cancelled
Recently
 
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It probably won’t.

No leaks is a huge indicator, but then again people though release of them AirPower May was imminent, until it was canceled.
 
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An iPhone manufacturing plant was opened in India 2 years ago to build the SE and 6S. I think a small size iPhone will return some day.
From an engineering standpoint, it's harder, if not impossible to move the iPhone feature set forward using such a cramped device. It's clear that  places a high priority on good camera performance, it's always a big selling point for each new iPhone. Face it. Pictures look pretty lame on such a tiny screen, so that might be part of the reason too... The screen is just too dang small to make a good camera worth it.
 
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SE is dead. Apple never stopped selling the mini. That was a product that demand actually saved, the SE just wasn’t popular enough.
 
My hope level has not changed because there has been no news. No leaks, nuttin'. Either there will be a new one in the same form factor someday, or it's over.

Look at every other phone model out there. From Apple's point of view, a new SE has nothing to compete against. No visible market that Apple is missing out on and wants a piece of. The two sizes are large or extra large because young, mobile people like a big, portable screen of their own that does everything. Until that market changes....

I look at my SE on my nightstand with yearning, but smartphone expectations have changed.
 
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If it comes back, it'll be back in the form of an Apple Watch Super Super Max and not as an iPhone SE.

I'm kidding... sort of.

I do think small phones will come be back in style someday, but it's going to require a paradigm shift in how we use our collection of devices. It would be a paradigm shift ignited by a drastic advancement of small form factor personal electronics that makes carrying a large phone seem primitive. Then we'll want small phones again.
 
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If the SE comes back it will have the guts of the 7 or 8, but no headphone jack. However, Apple seems convinced that nobody needs a phone smaller than the iPhone 7/8/Xs, even if they have tiny little hands and can't use the new phones one handed.

My daughter hates Apple for ignoring her tiny hands, and for dropping the headphone jack. She uses her iPhone heavily as her primary device and needs to plug it in a few times a day, and she doesn't want to have to switch to wireless headphones that also need to be charged.

Personally, I'm less troubled about having to use a lighting to headphone jack adapter now that the phones have wireless charging while using wired headphones. And they make battery cases that support lightning headphones while extending the usage time. I even have a battery pack the size of a Xs Max that I can set my iPhone on top of to charge, without carrying around a cable.
 
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smirking said:
If it comes back, it'll be back in the form of an Apple Watch Super Super Max and not as an iPhone SE. I'm kidding... sort of. I do think small phones will come be back in style someday, but it's going to require a paradigm shift in how we use our collection of devices. It would be a paradigm shift ignited by a drastic advancement of small form factor personal electronics that makes carrying a large phone seem primitive. Then we'll want small phones again.
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Honestly ...

The Apple Watch will evolve to fully replace the iPhone in a number of years, yet you'll need Apple's AR glasses (their unique take on it).
> gesture based input 90%, the Digital Crown and Force-Touch will remain as other queues to evoke choices.

Not even Sony announced a 4" 'Compact' lineup to their new phone line. 4" screen phones are dead.

Yet in Apple's case with current iOS there is nothing really missing that you cannot do without on an SE today.
3D Touch - sure but XR users are screwed here. (We have it on every iPhone since the 6S other than the SE/C/Xr, and we have it on the Watch). Can do without no big deal for most.
Screen size: this is the biggest part to deal with. If you've used the 6 or newer for more than 2mths I'm very sure you'll be screaming in 2wks going to an SE full time as your only smartphone (this includes no iPad to carry around with you).
 
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Screen size: this is the biggest part to deal with. If you've used the 6 or newer for more than 2mths I'm very sure you'll be screaming in 2wks going to an SE full time as your only smartphone (this includes no iPad to carry around with you).
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You mean after two months of using a bigger phone, one would not want to go back to an SE? If that’s a rule, I am an exception. I used a 6s plus for three months and hated the size more and more each day until I had enough and went back to a 4” phone. It was such a relief when I did. I use an iPad mini too, but only at home. I think that’s why small phones work for me—because I don’t care to consume content outside the home.
 
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DeepIn2U said:
The Apple Watch will evolve to fully replace the iPhone in a number of years, yet you'll need Apple's AR glasses (their unique take on it).
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I'm certain we'll come back to smaller phones someday. That seems to be a recurring theme in technology. Trends taper off, but return as a "better" version of its former self. I used quotes because I'm sure there are people who prefer Chatrooms over Slack, Forums over Facebook, Blogs over Medium, etc.

The thing that's hard to predict about phones is that it's not just technology chaining us to them. We perceive them to be convenient and we'll prefer to use them even when far better means are easily available. The technology to free us from preference to larger screen sizes doesn't just have to be better, it has to emotionally resonate as feeling more convenient or personal too.

They've done studies on this. When asked to perform a comparison shopping task, most people still used their phones, even when they had a laptop in the next room or even right in front of them. When questioned, a lot of the people knew very well what they were doing was ridiculous.

I forgot the name they gave this phenomena. They postulated that it was because once you start a task, it takes additional effort to switch the way you're performing the task and you tend to overvalue the convenience of what you already have in your hands over more efficient means that would be the more rational choice.

I think of this study everytime I find myself doing something on my phone when I could do it in half the time using the computer I'm sitting behind all day.
 
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DeepIn2U said:
Honestly ...

The Apple Watch will evolve to fully replace the iPhone in a number of years, yet you'll need Apple's AR glasses (their unique take on it).
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The Watch is very much a companion product & essentially the AR glasses will NEVER replace the physical device that you hold in your hand.
 
Doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.

Does anyone other than apple make a 4 inch phone anymore?
 
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SE is dead. Apple never stopped selling the mini. That was a product that demand actually saved, the SE just wasn’t popular enough.
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Anyone reading this post needs to read what ‘acorntoy’ posted in this thread, because this is a major indicator right here. The iPad mini was never discontinued, it just was never refreshed until recently. The iPhone SE has been completely *discontinued* altogether, and that should be a major telling sign that it was probably always meant to be a limited time iPhone offering.

Is it possible Apple could revive the SE? Maybe, but not for 2019. I just don’t think Apple sees the value in a four-inch iPhone, because if they had, then it would still be being manufactured today.
 
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Relentless Power said:
Anyone reading this post needs to read what ‘acorntoy’ posted in this thread, because this is a major indicator right here. The iPad mini was never discontinued, it just was never refreshed until recently. The iPhone SE has been completely *discontinued* altogether, and that should be a major telling sign that it was probably always meant to be a limited time iPhone offering.

Is it possible Apple could revive the SE? Maybe, but not for 2019. I just don’t think Apple sees the value in a four-inch iPhone, because if they had, then it would still be being manufactured today.
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You have a valid point.

The SE stands for special edition, apple uses it as a final edition for certain product lines, sort of like a sendoff.

Having said that apple will not bring back the iPhone 5, maybe a new iPhone mini in a year or two, but not with the iPhone 5 frame and not this year.

The iPhone 7 has now replaced se and the iPhone 8 will replace the iPhone 7 come fall.
 
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