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nickftw8686

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For me I can notice the weight difference, it feels more evenly distributed throughout the device. I have weaker wrists and hands, and no i am not an old man lol just how it is, probly from using computers for hours on end growing up and for my job. Yes it is wider but the thinner bezels on the side make it easier for me to hold with two hands and not cause it to make my palms sore after using it for awhile. I dunno to each their own. On paper it may not be a big difference but I notice it and prefer the mini.

I am not saying the Nexus 7 is heavy at all, and I would not say dont buy Nexus 7 cause its a brick, cause it is definitely not the case.
 

53x12

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Nope, it is not your hands. The Nexus 7 is a wide screen form factor, where as the mini is a 4:3. So in landscape mode, when you hold the Nexus 7, its Center of Gravity (CG) is further away from your hand because of the bigger cantilever owing to its wider screen. It is just basic physics. That is why 4:3 is the golden ratio when it comes to tablets, no 16:9 widescreen. Steve Jobs knew what good ergonomics was.

The mini is definitely not a one-handed device for me. My hands are pretty small. I bet the N7 would be easier to hold. But the mini's very light and the extra screen estate is great.



So for my hands (5'11'' male, average build) the N7 is more comfortable in portrait mode than the iPad mini, and the iPad mini is more comfortable in the landscape mode than the N7. It really is quite noticeable.
 

lianlua

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You know what, I think the N7 is actually easier to hold now that I have been playing with both for awhile. The iPad mini is significantly wider than the N7.
That is true for one-handed use (at least if you hold it by grasping the edges from behind).
Under $250? Why not say best 7'' tablet under $200 (for 16GB)?
Because that's limiting to the Nexus 7. The N7 is better than the whole crop of $250 tablets, too. Honestly, it's the best tablet at any price in the 7.0" size. Whether it's better than the iPad mini as well comes down to individual preferences.
I agree with you. Will be quicker/easier to unload the iPad mini. But as far money lost in the sale of the tablet after ~8 months you will probably be fairly close between the two devices. You will recoup more of your money % wise with the iPad mini (due to higher entry cost) than the N7, but the absolute difference in money lost from selling will probably be fairly close is my guess.
Right. That's why it doesn't make sense to me to invest in accessories, cases, apps, etc. for a temporary purchase (he is presenting it as though he's just getting a tablet for the next year or so and that regardless of what he buys now, he's replacing it in a year with a new iPad) if there's no major financial incentive to do so.

I guess what I'm saying is that if you want to try an Android tablet in the mean time, get the N7. But if you know you're getting the next version of the iPad mini, you might as well jump in now and you'll have less to deal with later. You can sell this one and move straight over into the new one with all your settings, apps, documents, etc.
 

HelloMikee

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I am actually glad you asked this question, I just downloaded my first free Ibook and opened it up, reading on the device is great. The Nexus 7 reading experience has also a good experience so I think it pretty much comes down to if you are able to hold a heavier device for longer periods of time or not. The mini having the weight advantage will def. help out people who have weaker hands or wrists. I have spent several hours reading forums on the mini so far prefer it on the mini do to the weight savings and bigger screen area for more webpage per inch.

With the Nexus I had to constantly scroll around the page with my fingers as I read from side to side when zoomed in. Also for some reason the Nexus hurt my palms when holding it in landscape mode for long periods of time where so far the mini does not seem to do it. But that might just be my hands.

Weight definitely is a factor for me since I'm going from an iPad 3 to a mini. Thanks for your input, definitely going to give this mini a chance.
 

53x12

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One other minor thing I have noticed, N7 does a noticeably better job at hiding screen smudges/streaks than the iPad mini. Big difference between the two. Not that it is a deciding factor between the two, have I notice the iPad mini picks up on finger prints much much easier.
 

Dlanod

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I don't agree that the Mini and Nexus 7 screens are the same. For me the Nexus 7 is significantly better in terms of clarity. I had a Mini delivered today but its going back. For an extra £130 I picked up a 4th generation iPad.
 

53x12

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That is true for one-handed use (at least if you hold it by grasping the edges from behind).

Because that's limiting to the Nexus 7. The N7 is better than the whole crop of $250 tablets, too. Honestly, it's the best tablet at any price in the 7.0" size. Whether it's better than the iPad mini as well comes down to individual preferences.

I agree.


Right. That's why it doesn't make sense to me to invest in accessories, cases, apps, etc. for a temporary purchase (he is presenting it as though he's just getting a tablet for the next year or so and that regardless of what he buys now, he's replacing it in a year with a new iPad) if there's no major financial incentive to do so.

I guess what I'm saying is that if you want to try an Android tablet in the mean time, get the N7. But if you know you're getting the next version of the iPad mini, you might as well jump in now and you'll have less to deal with later. You can sell this one and move straight over into the new one with all your settings, apps, documents, etc.

That makes sense. I was in the same boat, but instead decided I would try out both devices at the same time for ~2 weeks to make up my mind. Figured that would be the best route to go.



I don't agree that the Mini and Nexus 7 screens are the same. For me the Nexus 7 is significantly better in terms of clarity. I had a Mini delivered today but its going back. For an extra £130 I picked up a 4th generation iPad.


Are you keeping the N7 in addition to your iPad 4? Or selling the N7 as well?
 

nickftw8686

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One other minor thing I have noticed, N7 does a noticeably better job at hiding screen smudges/streaks than the iPad mini. Big difference between the two. Not that it is a deciding factor between the two, have I notice the iPad mini picks up on finger prints much much easier.

I will agree with that, the mini makes me feel like i need to either wash my hands more or just some how not have oily fingers? lol
 

Rodster

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One other minor thing I have noticed, N7 does a noticeably better job at hiding screen smudges/streaks than the iPad mini. Big difference between the two. Not that it is a deciding factor between the two, have I notice the iPad mini picks up on finger prints much much easier.

What color did you get? I have both a black and white iPad and the white hides smudges and fingerprints better.
 

53x12

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What color did you get? I have both a black and white iPad and the white hides smudges and fingerprints better.

black iPad mini.

It is a big difference. This isn't using them at separate times of the day, I am talking about right next to each other. Amazing what the iPad mini glass picks up.
 

Nychot

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You can turn off auto dim read the manual


So I picked up a iPad mini this morning and have been using a Nexus 7 tablet for the last few months and thought id share my first impressions.

1. Screen size- I like the fact that the screen is bigger/wider. The brightness and text look great. I have never used a retina device more then for a few minutes so it looks fine to me. The Nexus 7 would auto dim and then not come back to brightness a lot which was annoying, it would just randomly do it, not cause of any lighting changes. The Nexus 7 screen is still a good screen but the quality and colors are a bit lacking. I cant really notice the higher res difference either between the two.

2. Performance- The Mini is fast and fluid, I have yet to encounter a slow down. The Nexus 7 had some browser lag and scrolling lag on the home screen, but overall it ran great as well. Both open apps very fast, and can run multiple apps at once fine.

Update: I have noticed while in the App store that when scrolling through a bunch of free apps while installing and downloading multiple apps the store begins to slow down a bit when refreshing the screen as you go down through the list. I have only noticed this when doing a ton of stuff at once. Anyone else have the same issue?

Wi-fi- The wifi performance is much better on the mini, sitting in the same room and same distance from my router with both devices I have full bars vs having half bars with the Nexus, also my Nexus had issues losing its wifi signal when waking up multiple times, requiring a reboot since I owned it. So far the mini does not have this issue.

3. Keyboard- The Mini keyboard input is better. I like how it is bigger with the wider screen and the key input feedback just feels tighter and better executed. I have smaller hands and I can use both tablets just fine, and the mini actually feels a bit better using just my thumbs to type given the wider screen.

4. Apps- The main reason I switched to the Mini was better apps and I can say it was a good switch. The same apps I have on my Nexus 7 are just overall better on the iPad Mini, plus I can finally use some apps that were missing from the google play store.

5. Build Quality- Hands down the Mini, It feels great in your hands and is SUPER lightweight. The Nexus 7 a, being that it is cheaper also feels cheaper, but it did not feel like a plastic pos like some people make it out to be, it is a lightweight device that feels solid in your hands, although for some reason after holding it for awhile my palms wold hurt, which might be from the way the bezel is designed. For the money the build quality is okay, but you can tell for the extra price in the Mini the build quality beats it by far.

Overall- Both are great tablets, I like to try all different kinds of technology so it was not that i didn't like the Nexus 7, I just wanted better apps and to try an iPad for the first time, and so far I am glad I did. For the extra 129 dollars, I think most people that have not had a 7 inch tablet before and want to stay in the apple land of things will really enjoy this product. I do not think it is going to make all of the android 7 inch tablet fans run over to the apple side of things, but it does shake up the landscape a bit and for the money, is a solid device. I mean come on its 329 dollars, not like its the end of the world lol.


Hope you all enjoy my quick first impressions, thought some of you might care what a real user thinks and not haters/fan boys think lol.
 

nickftw8686

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You can turn off auto dim read the manual

I dont mind auto-dim, the issue is that the screen would do it no matter the light situation, so it didnt really make sense to me. I have read others post the same thing about the screen having issues when waking up and also randomly dimming for no reason.
 

Nychot

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All 149 apps i have on my ipad 3 i can have on my n7 which is very fast. I just picked up an ipad mini today and will compare.
 

53x12

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I dont mind auto-dim, the issue is that the screen would do it no matter the light situation, so it didnt really make sense to me. I have read others post the same thing about the screen having issues when waking up and also randomly dimming for no reason.


I have had this problem as well with the N7.
 

Rodster

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I have had this problem as well with the N7.

I've had it on several N7's which were returned for screen lift or dead pixels. A friend of mine has it as well on his N7. I just turn down the brightness and it seems to go away.
 

nickftw8686

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I have had this problem as well with the N7.

Yeah exactly, I shouldn't have to turn off a feature because it doesn't work properly, it should work properly!! LOL Although we all know that isn't the case for everything in the computer world.
 

waltercln

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Loving the mini more than my nexus. After a while I just really didn't use it much, even turning It on was a hassle. The whole thing would lag for a long time before it would act normal and that was after having lots of apps installed, but it worked well with only a few apps. Android is getting there but every step it takes iOS just takes ten more. For me it's no competition but I'm sure they will get better.
 

Lindenhurst

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I have used a nexus 7 since it came out and sold it last week. For the price it was a very nice product and never felt cheap at all. I never had any screen lag and the Google play store had everything I needed. The screen resolution was excellent, but the colors were a bit washed out. I was very happy with Android Jelly Bean ( I ue a Galaxy S3 for my phone) and compared it many times to my sons Ipad and saw no advantage to either device as far as speed or basic usability.
I unloaded the nexus because it was simply too small for me to comfortably surf the web without constantly having to scroll side to side. Prior to that I had an Ipad 2 and really enjoyed using it but felt that a smaller tablet would be better for me, which was not the case at all.
Tonight I went to Sams Club and discovered they had a full stock of Ipad Minis with hardly anyone asking for them.
After playing with one for about 20 minutes here is my opinion of the device;
It feels like a premium device. My N7 was in no way cheap feeling but the Ipad just feels more expensive. And of course it is!
I did not see any degradation in the screen resolution compared to my N7, probably because I wear reading glasses that aren't strong enough.
I really liked he fact that I could hold the device with my thumb on either side of the touchscreen, and it did not affect the touch display at all. Can't say that about the N7. I was always hitting the screen by accident when holding in portrait mode. I'm sure Apple has a patent on their solution to holding thr screen with thumbs and not affecting it. Kudos to Apple. Stuff like that really makes the user experience much better.
Although the screen size is only about an inch larger, the device had much more viewing area than my old N7. Still not enough for me, but much more.
The Ipad Mini was fast and fluid just like I expected.
The camera on the front and back was very good, and my N7 only had a front camera.

All in all I found the mini to be a very nice device, but since I just ordered and received my Ipad 3 retina from Apple for $379, I couldn't see paying $329 for the Mini.

I did pick up an Ipad 3 after using the mini and the Ipad 3 felt like a brick. WHat a difference in weight.

As someone who has strayed away from Apple over the last year and now uses a windows pc again and an Android phone, I have to say that when it comes to the tablet concept, no one beats Apple.....at this time.
 

xofruitcake

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The one thing I do miss is having google chrome be my native browser that is integrated so well with android, but I am getting used to safari and so far so good.

I have chrome running on my Ipad 3. You can download it from apps store...
 

Fruit Cake

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So what apps does Apple have that the Android doesn't for you?

I use ~10-15 apps consistently (Pandora, Yelp, Citrix Receiver, mobile banking x3, weather, Adobe reader, Kindle app, news app, email, internet...etc.

At the end of the day, does 675,000 apps make a difference if part of that is 20 different calculator apps that are all basically the same, or 30 different alarm clocks? Really all I need is one good app for each function that I need it for. I could care less if there are a million apps.

Its not what android has, it's what it allows that's the differentiator. Otherwise it's as you say, much the same garbage apps in both ecosystems.
 

yellafella321

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Thanks for this. Can you give some insight as to reading on both devices? After seeing the screen on the mini, I'm tempted to try out the Nexus 7 but if reading isn't much better, I'm definitely sticking with the mini. Thanks!

I'm using both the Nexus 7 and ipad mini as well. In portrait mode, the ipad will display 1 more line than the n7, gives a lot more space in the border, creating a more visually pleasing experience. In landscape mode the ipad displays 3 more lines.

However, text on the Nexus 7 is much, much sharper. I so I'm going to finish reading this book on the n7.
 

children

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you'd have to pay me to use the Nexus 7 (or any nexus and android devices for that matter) The design is just low rent, the only other tablet I would consider would be a Microsoft Surface
 

sineplex

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I really just want a device for business travel....to watch a movie or read a book on the plane, surf the web, use Netflix, social media, banking, etc.
you think you won't be able to do all those things on the mini? rediculous.

It's either pay $200 now for a Nexus and full boat for a Mini next year. Or pay full boat for a Mini this year and sell it towards the new model next year. I'm on the fence....
if you get a nexus what are you going to do with it when they bring out the retina mini?

sell it and upgrade

if you get a mini what are you going to do with it when they bring out the retina mini?

sell it and upgrade

so what's the problem? either get one or do without for a whole years whilst others ENJOY it now.

That's all your options right now on planet Earth.
 

palpatine

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I don't have a Mini, but I have a Nexus, and The device described in some of these posts sounds nothing like mine. No lags, gorgeous (slightly roo dim) screen, great apps, great size, and a joy to use. I am even considering selling my Ipad foe a Nexus 10 in a few weeks.
 
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