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I think if Steve were still around we would be at a merged device and OS device by now (or something like that). You would dock the pad, have most everything in the cloud, with duplicates as needed on the dock and pad. Instead, we have people at Apple who are spending hours upon hours designing curves, but who is the visionary these days?

I doubt it.

Steve Jobs had the iPad as being between the laptop and phone. Watch his introduction of it again.

Also, we need to stop making Steve Jobs out to be some magical guy. He had some good ideas and some bad ones. Then again, that whole dock idea is a horrible one. Having a thin client is not visionary, it was done in the 80’s. It’s 90% of what a Chromebook is. You’re just replacing a laptop with a docked iPad in that case and doing the exact same things.
 
He's right...but I've known this fact (that the iPP can't replace a desktop/laptop for most use cases) for a while now.

Until mouse support is added (at the very least), it's still a niche device.

If you are one of those users that can ditch the PC/laptop for this, be my guest.
 
He's right...but I've known this fact (that the iPP can't replace a desktop/laptop for most use cases) for a while now.

Until mouse support is added (at the very least), it's still a niche device.

If you are one of those users that can ditch the PC/laptop for this, be my guess.

What do you think most people do with their laptops?
 
What do you think most people do with their laptops?

Well, if they tried the iPad and it doesn't work for them (as a full replacement), then I presume they will continue using whatever they have now.

And replace it with a newer version when it breaks or gets too old.

I really don't care.
 
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Well, if they tried the iPad and it doesn't work for them (as a full replacement), then I presume they will continue using whatever they have now.

And replace it with a newer version when it breaks or gets too old.

I really don't care.

That’s not answering the question. A person picks up a laptop, opens it up, turns it on, and then what do they do with their laptop? What do you think is the average use case of a laptop for normal people?
 
How many million devices does it take to be more then a few?!

It takes a shift in sales from one device to the other.. otherwise, like me you could simply "own" a new 10.5 and still use it as a "consumption only" based device as it's not capable of the running "efficiently" the other workflows. iPad pro sales are less than 30% of overall iPad sales, which in themselves have declined 15% based on apples numbers.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/269915/global-apple-ipad-sales-since-q3-2010/

Mac sales have pretty much remained the same since 2011...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-mac-computers-since-first-quarter-2006/
 
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That’s not answering the question. A person picks up a laptop, opens it up, turns it on, and then what do they do with their laptop? What do you think is the average use case of a laptop for normal people?

Again, if the iPad can replace your laptop/PC, then do so. It can't for me...so I will continue to use my laptop.

I need a mouse to do many things...select and copy/cut text or images, often between multiple windows. To expect users to use touch to do this is both silly and backward. It's also slow as heck! And imprecise...very easy to make a mis-selection.

I need unfettered access to the files that I have stored on the laptop...not sandboxed and siloed. I have default apps tied to a particular file type, but need to have the ability to override this at will.

Those are some of the use cases every day that I have.

My iPad was purchased in 2011...6 years later, it still can't do many things, let along with the same ease, as my PC/laptop. Still the same essential limitations now that I saw in 2011.

Happy now?
 
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Again, if the iPad can replace your laptop/PC, then do so. It can't for me...so I will continue to use my laptop.

I need a mouse to do many things...select and copy/cut text or images, often between multiple windows. To expect users to use touch to do this is both silly and backward. It's also slow as heck! And imprecise...very easy to make a mis-selection.

I need unfettered access to the files that I have stored on the laptop...not sandboxed and siloed. I have default apps tied to a particular file type, but need to have the ability to override this at will.

Those are some of the use cases everyday that I have and can't do with an iPad.

My iPad was purchased in 2011...6 years later, it still can't do many thing, let along with the same ease as my PC/laptop.

Happy now?

You said the iPad can’t replace a laptop for most use cases period. You didn’t say it was just about you. So tell me, what are most use cases for most people. What do most people use their laptops for?
 
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Pro sales have been lukewarm and further declines are predicted.
So if you mean "few", yes, i guess so.

Also the fact pro's are readly available don't suggest a rush from consumers to embrace the switch.
Uh, no, I mean even though the initial surge of tablet demand has cooled, the iPad is still a product that sells twice as well as the Mac. And there are lots of signs that the iPad mini is what's putting the downward pressure on sales, not the larger models, which have always had pretty consistent sales.

As far as new models being "readily available" or not, Apple is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they have them readily available (which, by the way, you're wrong. Not all models have had solid availability, especially the 12.9" models) you'll say nobody's buying them. If they don't have any in stock, you'll say Apple sucks because they can't gauge demand correctly.

I'd personally rather they just make more than they need initially and have plenty of stock ready everywhere. iPad is not a "stand in line on launch day" product like the iPhone is, so I fully expect them to be available they day they go on sale. If the hype about the new hardware with iOS 11 continues as it has been, Apple is going to sell some iPads this year. The fact that they have an updated model in the mix that's only $329 isn't going to hurt either.
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Again, a thread debating the endless “Can an iPad replace a laptop” topic.....
Let's be honest though--it's not really about debating the merits of either platform--it's about telling other people they're wrong for their preferences. Super pointless. We all need to stop posting in the existing threads, and stop making new ones. In fact, this is the last time I'm going to comment on this topic. It just sucks me into a dumpster fire of ignorant comments every single time.
 
Uh, no, I mean even though the initial surge of tablet demand has cooled, the iPad is still a product that sells twice as well as the Mac. And there are lots of signs that the iPad mini is what's putting the downward pressure on sales, not the larger models, which have always had pretty consistent sales.

As far as new models being "readily available" or not, Apple is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they have them readily available (which, by the way, you're wrong. Not all models have had solid availability, especially the 12.9" models) you'll say nobody's buying them. If they don't have any in stock, you'll say Apple sucks because they can't gauge demand correctly.

By the same measure, phones outsell iPad by a huge factor...! so its not really a measure of anything.
Sales of iPads are decline, Macs have remained the same and phones have continued to grow.

I can tell you as a fact, if the new models are selling well you can't order them on the internal apple portal for the first 90 days (to allow customers to get them first). 12.9 and 10.5 were available after a few days...!
 
In my eyes, the iPad can only replace a PC/laptop in a very elementary and rudimentary way.

I doubt that my use case is the exception.

I assumed you had anything to back that up, my apologies. When you said “most use cases”, I thigh though had actually thought out a potential “most use cases”.
 
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I think he makes some good points, but I still see the iPad as a great complimentary device (though not necessarily a laptop replacement).

Basically everything I would normally do on my iPhone I now do on my iPad (10.5 inch Pro). I love having the huge bump in screen real estate. I have the LTE model which means I can do things like use navigation on my iPad, which is MUCH better than on the phone as it's far easier to see.

The iPad is much easier to carry around so I like to use it for music, podcasts, and things of that nature (especially with AirPods because I can just keep my iPad in my backpack and not worry about cords).

I also find certain things to be much more enjoyable on my iPad. For example reading sheet music is much easier because I can throw my iPad on the music stand and have at it, using a laptop was always a nightmare, and printed pages work alright but I'd rather save the paper plus there are some cool pedals out there that will turn pages forward/backward with the tap of a foot.

Annotating documents is far easier on the iPad, and I love apps like Scanner Pro which allows me to take a picture of a document and it will automatically convert it to PDF plus clean up the image for me, then I can go right to annotating. This is way better than trying to perform an equivalent task with a laptop. And of course drawing is much more enjoyable with the iPad over using a computer as it feels way more natural.

Of course laptops blow the iPad away in certain key areas, which is why having the best of both worlds is great.

One thing I don't understand is why he said the iPad Pro plus a pencil is not a good way to learn art. It seems like a great way to me! Not only can you draw in a natural way, you also get all the perks of the digital world (undo, copy/paste, cropping, clean erasing, layers, etc).

Did you compare the 10.5 and 12.9 for sheet music? I have the 10.5 and am considering going to 12.9 so I can display a full page instead of a half page (I have been working in landscape on my 10.5). I do love the portability, though...
 
IMO, the reason these threads appear is simply because different people use their machines differently.

For some people, an iPad can replace a laptop (and may well be a better choice) but for others it can't and so we end up with these endless arguments about whether an iPad can replace a laptop. In one corner we have people saying "of course it can, and it has" and in the other corner we have people saying "Of course it can't, I need to do x or y and it's either impossible or more difficult on an iPad" and those two groups of people are never going to cede to the other because from their perspective they're 100% correct :)
 
IMO, the reason these threads appear is simply because different people use their machines differently.

For some people, an iPad can replace a laptop (and may well be a better choice) but for others it can't and so we end up with these endless arguments about whether an iPad can replace a laptop. In one corner we have people saying "of course it can, and it has" and in the other corner we have people saying "Of course it can't, I need to do x or y and it's either impossible or more difficult on an iPad" and those two groups of people are never going to cede to the other because from their perspective they're 100% correct :)

And then you have me, who knows it can’t for everyone but just wants people to stop telling me I’m somehow an inferior person for using the iPad as my only computer.
 
For those still deciding between the 12.9" and the 10.5" does anyone know if the 10.5" displays less content on screen or is it the same?
 
And then you have me, who knows it can’t for everyone but just wants people to stop telling me I’m somehow an inferior person for using the iPad as my only computer.
Yeah, sorry - I didn't mean to imply that everyone fits into one of the two camps: I was just using it to illustrate why these threads keep appearing and then go on for so long :)
 
I was at the apple store and played around with all of Apple "mobile computing" devices, ranging from the 10.5" iPad Pro to the 15" Macbook Pro. The 10.5" is really too small to be a laptop replacement, the keyboard is too cramped. The Macbook is cool, but a bigger screen option and lower price would be great. The iPad 12.9" may be the best looking option, but it will be unweildy for some customers, and the keyboard is still not ideal. The Macbook Pros are a bit heavy (the 15" is beautiful and comfortable, but expensive).

I could see how this line could be really confusing to customers. I don't really think any of these options is dialed in yet as a mass computing device. Apple is pushing the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement device, but the form factor isn't really ideal as a laptop replacement. In addition, the big issue is that as a laptop replacement, the iPad gets expensive. A basic kit iPad Pro cost as much as the $999 Macbook Air, which isn't really a good option for most buyers.

I'm someone who uses an iPad as my "main device" at home and a Macbook as a secondary device. I have a 2015 Retina Macbook Pro at home that I use maybe once a week - I use my iPad daily. But I do almost all of my "work" on a Windows machine in an office. I would never be without a full laptop that can access word, excel, a file system, etc. Microsoft Word on iPad is almost there 100%, but Excel and Powerpoint still lag.
 
I think tablets, whether it's the iPad or not, will eventually replace traditional desktop and laptops for most users, but not for us. It will be the kids who enter the workforce around 2025 who have grown up with tablets and phones in their hands and see it as a natural extension of themselves. That generation will not have the legacy beliefs about computing that we come with. The iPad is disrupting computing, but probably not as quickly as Apple is trying to force it.
 
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I think he makes some good points, but I still see the iPad as a great complimentary device (though not necessarily a laptop replacement).

Basically everything I would normally do on my iPhone I now do on my iPad (10.5 inch Pro). I love having the huge bump in screen real estate. I have the LTE model which means I can do things like use navigation on my iPad, which is MUCH better than on the phone as it's far easier to see.

One thing I don't understand is why he said the iPad Pro plus a pencil is not a good way to learn art. It seems like a great way to me! Not only can you draw in a natural way, you also get all the perks of the digital world (undo, copy/paste, cropping, clean erasing, layers, etc).

I think most people referring to the iPad as not being great for productivity are using the 9.7 or 10.5, as you do, but trying to use two apps side by side. If you're working with one app at a time, the ipad is great for that. the extra 0.8" that the new model gives you, I guess, helps out in some significant way. It's certainly nicer to look at compared to the older model with the larger bezels.

However, if you try document annotation, or just using two apps side by side, it's too cramped. That's what most people talk about.

For drawing, the iPad can be great for convenience, but I think it's poor in teaching concepts like arm and wrist control where you will learn the nuances of friction: something the ipad screen cannot change when you use that pen.

Pressure is half the battle, which is why Apple hits that hard when trying to convince people it makes the iPad great, but it doesn't address friction which is why it feels different to work with different drawing materials.

it would be like learning to drive a race car in an automatic. Technically you can do it but you don't get the physical experience of understanding why you need to downshift before entering a corner because you simply can't brake anymore or risk losing traction.

iPad apps don't even reference the concept of depth of the paint/ink/etc. as multiple layers. When painting or drawing, not only are you drawing on paper, but you're also drawing/painting on top of other paint/ink, adding depth and layers. You can't get that on an iPad screen.

I think tablets, whether it's the iPad or not, will eventually replace traditional desktop and laptops for most users, but not for us. It will be the kids who enter the workforce around 2025 who have grown up with tablets and phones in their hands and see it as a natural extension of themselves. That generation will not have the legacy beliefs about computing that we come with. The iPad is disrupting computing, but probably not as quickly as Apple is trying to force it.

I think that would be dependent on the programs that people are using at the time. Just like the pushback devices got with wireless printing when it sucked (ChromeOS devices, for example), iPads and iOS devices are getting pushback from the ability to use the mouse with apps that would greatly benefit from them, like text editing or excel formatting.

Unless mouse support is applied or that program isn't used in the future, the next generation will still not like iPads and the form factor because the application is inherantly clunky by design.

People here aren't mad that they can't use their ipads or that the ipads suck: they're mad because they're trying to use a touch-centric tablet in applcations made for a mouse and keyboard.
 
I think tablets, whether it's the iPad or not, will eventually replace traditional desktop and laptops for most users, but not for us. It will be the kids who enter the workforce around 2025 who have grown up with tablets and phones in their hands and see it as a natural extension of themselves. That generation will not have the legacy beliefs about computing that we come with. The iPad is disrupting computing, but probably not as quickly as Apple is trying to force it.

Define tablets..
MS Surface type hybrid device - maybe.. glass keyboards provide no feedback however.
 
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