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I agree that the debate sounds like the GUI vs the prompt in the 80:th. Belittle others is not good for the discussion climate and there is a distinct arrogance towards the iPad.

The whole discussion is futile as it is so dependent on personal needs. I find a Mac Pro / iPad12.9 to be a good combo while I find the MBP 15 I use at home poorer for keys task I do on the macpro and ipad. Does it make people finding the MPB 15 perfect less important or the work they do less valuable? Hardly! Many if not most tasks I do can be done on any of the three devices equally well.

I find it strange though to add Surface pro in the conversation as it does not run MacOS or iOS.
 
I've got a question. Why do people think or want just a single compromised device?

If i want to go long distances, i jump on an aircraft. If i want a medium distance journey i take a train - sure i could drive or fly, but both have downsides. Aircraft means i have to go early in order to contend with security and i have less precision in terms of end/start point. If i drive while i get away from the end/start point precision issues i still have 1000s of other nutters on the roads all heading in other directions too, then i have parking to contend with at the other side too. If its a local thing, the car is perfect, but still you have traffic issues while planes and trains dont work at all...

I'm not saying any one mode is better than the other for everything, they all work - but for different things...!
But the laptop is the best hybrid car/boat/copter i can think of right now if i have to pick a single workflow.


The problem is all the users who struggle to pay for even one shiny Apple device. They're trying to get the right _one_.
 
instant flop for me is that you still cannot simply download any file within safari and have said file be placed into the files app. thats the most basic computer functionality

i would go crazy writing a thesis and researching for it on my iPad. too much flipping between apps and finding the most recent file that may sit in whatever app u used last with its own local version

The worst thing of all is the limited multi tasking. You basically cannot run a download in background once you switch to another app. You have to watch the download to complete.

The most absurd thing is Airdrop. The receiver is blocked from any work when you receive a large document for example a 3GB movie.
 
I can keep on going when I download in split view. One working, one downloading and taking 1/4 of the screen. Not that difficult.

AirDrop is handy, relative fast, but that one “feature” a pop up blocking your screen is odd, to say the least.
But 3Gb transfers are 30 seconds or so. It’s not the end of the world, for me.
 
I can keep on going when I download in split view. One working, one downloading and taking 1/4 of the screen. Not that difficult.

AirDrop is handy, relative fast, but that one “feature” a pop up blocking your screen is odd, to say the least.
But 3Gb transfers are 30 seconds or so. It’s not the end of the world, for me.

On OS X I dont have to use Split View to download stuff in the background.
On OS X I am not blocked when receiving AirDrop files.
 
I got the new iPad and I'm comfortable with it being the in-between of my phone and my laptop. For some, I know this will be a laptop replacement. If I didn't need flash for some of the sites I visit I would not have the laptop. But for general things like word, excel, powerpoint and such I can use the iPad. Plus I like watching movies on it. I do not think that for a "power user" this device will be the means to all ends. It will be for basic office users that just need email, word, and a browser generally. It's powerful enough and has enough functionality (when iOS 11 comes out). What I am loving about Apple right now is that all my files syncs from the cloud to all my "i" devices. Its the best experience I've had yet.
 
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I think Apple's "laptop replacement" vibe is just some good marketing. If it really was a laptop replacement for everyone then all the dev's in Cupertino would be using them instead of their MacBooks! This is just some eager marketing and good marketing at that because it presents the question, "can it really replace my laptop"?

I think people forget what the ipad was really about when it first was released. In those days there were things called netbooks which were threatening both Apple and Microsofts PC businesses. The big thing about netbooks is that they weren't full computers because they didn't need to be. They were cheap and did a lot of the things users liked pc's for, watch films, email, quick browsing etc.. all slower than a real pc but did the job for a fraction of the cost that real fully featured laptops were going for.

In order for them to be cheap a lot of them used Linux instead of windows, which is why MS were scared. Apple were also a bit worried but refused to make mac netbook because they felt they could not offer the quality that their MacBook range needed and would tarnish their brand. A cheap version off windows just for netbooks and low powered devices was Microsofts answer to the netbook. The ipad was Apple's answer.

The ipad does what netbooks were doing then but in an Apple way and at an Apple price point. They do 80% of what most computer users do, play movies, send emails etc.. that's the whole point of them. They specifically aren't meant to replace fully what a real intel based MacBook Pro would do. Why would Apple sell you a machine that starts at £350 that can do EVERYTHING their £1000 machine can do? They may be into canabilisation but they're not crazy.

At the end of the day, markets are segmented. Apple isn't going to push you in direction of a machine that's half the price of another machine they know you are likely to buy. The ipad is being marketed to people who wouldn't dream of buying a MacBook but would buy a £400 dell because they just need a computer in the house. Those people want to watch Netflix, send emails, maybe edit the odd spreadsheet etc.. and it does all that perfectly. In short they are really going after cheap pc laptop buyers and trying to appeal to them with the idea that they won't lose out on some work stuff if they buy this.

People also miss the point that from a versatility point of view the ipad already surpasses a laptop or pc in different ways. For a start it's more robust, can handle spillage (most laptops are pretty much dead the minute any drink falls on those keys). So you can use them for recipes in kitchens, in the gym, hold them in one hand to read a book whilst standing on the train etc.. Because of their compactness, weight and robustness their usage goes beyond the normal use cases of a laptop anyway. Furthermore, the fact that they are essentially user configurable control services mean they can mimic things that a laptop pc can't. It can be a piano, a dj surface, a games console, a VR device etc..

Right now we have reached the very last aspect of computing that it hasn't (or maybe can't conquer). That of the power user who uses tools like excel and photoshop etc.. where precision selection and shortcuts etc.. are king. Maybe it won't quite do that as well because frankly, the iPads control surface is fundamentally designed differently to mechanical keyboards and mice. However we already have affinity photo so who knows where it will go.

What I will say is that people are forgetting the huge amount of things the ipad arguably does better than a laptop can ever do. This pro workflow issue is like 20% of the game for the target iPad market. I don't think any serious professional in any field would buy a tool that doesn't do what they need it to do. You're not going to buy a a crop sensor camera if you need a full frame are you? That's just all that's going on here. They are both valid options.
 
On OS X I dont have to use Split View to download stuff in the background.
On OS X I am not blocked when receiving AirDrop files.
In OS-X I have the confusion of all kinds of screens overlapping and hiding behind each other.
In OS-X you have to tinker, maintain, search of updates, no 4G/LTE, no GPS/compass, no touch screen.
In OS-X i have to crawl the internet looking for programs that I have no idea are safe or not.
In OS-X there are so many settings, hidden files etc you need to make a 4 year study to understand it all.
In OS-X all devices with build in screen, the screen is much worse then the iPad Pro’s in terms brightness, colour gamut, true tone,
Or just Pro Motion...

There are many con’s and pro’s to each system. So your point that airdrop is annoying when it does pop up is absolutely valid. But saying that something is bad because it is different is a non-argument.
 
iOS should borrow the multi tasking features of Android.
There are many con’s and pro’s to each system. So your point that airdrop is annoying when it does pop up is absolutely valid. But saying that something is bad because it is different is a non-argument.



I really don't understand you alecgold. I saw many posts from you and you somehow accept the status quo Apple gave you with iOS.

Can't you accept, that it is very stupid, that you need to monitor a download in order to complete it? In Android (not even a Desktop class OS) it is not the case. The download is a "task" in the notification center.
Why can't the airdrop and http download be minimized to the notification area, and you can keep on using the device?

I have an iMac and I use the iPad Pro quite heavily. But I have the impression, that Apple does not unlock its full potential softwarewise.
 
Maybe the best post I've seen on this beat-to-death topic. I certainly think an iPad CAN replace a mac for many people, but that's not the right question... the right question is SHOULD it replace a mac, i.e. would your overall experience be better with a single device? Mine certainly wouldn't be. Each device I have is my device of choice is certain situations and not others. Giving up any one of them would lead to a worse user experience at least some of the time.

This. +1
 
This guy's BANG ON here.

The only person who can replace their laptop with a tablet is the sort of person who only really consumes media and replies to the odd email. If you do any sort of WORK on your laptop you will be compromised using the iPad.

The best combination of devices is still a 5.5" smartphone + laptop + monitor at home with a bluetooth mouse. The iPad is very much an optional extra for those people who feel they can make use of it. And for most, the basic 'iPad' would be perfectly fine.
 
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Don't deny it. The transition is happening. More and more, we no longer need the traditional desktop OS. While it won't die just yet, it will become less a part of our lives. Yes, for the power users iOS will never work, but those use cases are rapidly disappearing
 
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The best combination of devices is still a 5.5" smartphone + laptop + monitor at home with a bluetooth mouse. The iPad is very much an optional extra for those people who feel they can make use of it. And for most, the basic 'iPad' would be perfectly fine.
The "best" combination of devices depends entirely on your use case. What might be the best for you could be completely unworkable for someone else. For MY uses, your stated combination would be inferior to what I have (4.7" iphone, 9.7" iPad, 13" MBP) in many ways.
 
Well, I'm really looking forward to getting my 12.9 iPad Pro, but like so many of you, it won't replace my iMac or MacBook Pro. It's great for some things (e.g. marking papers), but for others, not so much. I enjoy it, but recognize it it has limits.
 
This guy's BANG ON here.

The only person who can replace their laptop with a tablet is the sort of person who only really consumes media and replies to the odd email. If you do any sort of WORK on your laptop you will be compromised using the iPad.

The best combination of devices is still a 5.5" smartphone + laptop + monitor at home with a bluetooth mouse. The iPad is very much an optional extra for those people who feel they can make use of it. And for most, the basic 'iPad' would be perfectly fine.

Here it is again, this is boriing, arrogant, and adds nothing to the discussion, declaring your experience/requirements/limitations as an absolute one size fits all.

"The best combination is ... " (yours according to you)
"For most people a basic iPad would be perfectly fine". How do you know what suits most people?
'Any sort of WORK will be compromised using the iPad" ... your work not all work!
 
What a scam. You buy it expecting a laptop and all you get is a screen! Total scam.

I sent mine back with a note saying they should be ashamed of themselves. And I know for a fact that other companies sell laptops with keyboards attached to them. Maybe with mice too (not sure about that)
 
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I have just upgraded my iPad Air 2 to a 10.5 iPad Pro. I use it primarily as a companion to my 17" MacBook Pro.

One of the most productive ways I use my 10.5 iPad Pro is via Duet to provide a second screen for my MacBook Pro. This did work with the Air 2 but it was irritatingly laggy. The iPad Pro makes the whole thing a breeze. So much easier just parking Finder or Word on the iPad Pro whilst working on a complicated PowerPoint presentation on the main screen of the MacBook.

Access to cloud based storage systems works fine on the iPad Pro for viewing documents and simple editing tasks. In an ideal world, I would keep an offline copy of my main files on both MacBook Pro and iPad Pro and synchronise changes to the two seamlessly. This is really easy to do between my MBP and my wife's PC using DropBox.
However, for some reason I can't understand, none of the cloud based sharing systems allow you to make entire folders available offline. I have tried Dropbox, OneDrive for Business and iCloud and all seem to demand that each file is clicked individually. My Documents folder on my MacBook Pro has 93,437 items and takes up 24 GB of space. All of these files would easily fit into the 256 GB storage of my iPad Pro but I don't fancy clicking on each and every one in turn!! Are there any other solutions out there. Is iOS 11 going to offer any new options?
 
This guy's BANG ON here.

The only person who can replace their laptop with a tablet is the sort of person who only really consumes media and replies to the odd email. If you do any sort of WORK on your laptop you will be compromised using the iPad.

The best combination of devices is still a 5.5" smartphone + laptop + monitor at home with a bluetooth mouse. The iPad is very much an optional extra for those people who feel they can make use of it. And for most, the basic 'iPad' would be perfectly fine.

Before retiring a couple of years ago, the favorite combination of most senior managers at my organization was iPhone + iPad + iMac. The iPad was a great device for reviewing documents, replying to email, taking notes, etc.. So, a lot of managers preferred to take an iPad to meetings or business travel. They didn't want to lug around a laptop, because they were not doing large scale content creation when mobile. Strangely, they wanted a mobile operating system for when they were......you know.....mobile.

Anyway, I missed an opportunity to tell these people; "Hey, you aren't doing real work. Sure you manage hundreds or thousands of people and large complex projects, but let's face it, without a laptop you can't possibly do any real work. Your device requirements must be absolutely identical to everyone else's needs, so you must get rid of that iPad and use the same laptops used by our folks in the system administration department." Would have loved to see the look on those manager's faces.....I almost regret retiring.....almost.
 
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I've been really down on iPads the last few years, but with the Pros and iOS 11, I've been inspired to get one. Before, I just couldn't justify the price of one for the limited use I'd have for it.

Now, I'm planning to use a 12.9" iPad as a "laptop replacement", which will probably work for me as I use my Macbook for very mobile-like tasks, Gsuite apps, etc (I have a 27" iMac as my main computer). And the iPad will provide more uses and a different way to interact with items. Im looking forward to trying photo editing and potentially video editing with Luma Fusion, a couple of things I never thought I would do on an iPad, but now can't wait to try it out. The thought of using a Pencil to literally touch my photos to make adjustments sounds like the way I want to interact with them.
 
After using both the 10.5 and the 5th gen it's clear to me that an iPad still can't replace my MacBook so the 10.5 is going back to the store. It is not a device that's worth 350 dollars more than the new iPad.
 
Let's all get this thing very clear the iPad is a very good gadget for media consumption but any real productivity and it has its limitations !
 
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