Meh - who cares about HDR on LCD when you can’t get true blacks. Every HDR LCD I’ve trialed has been inferior to OLED HDR. What is the point of showing a dark scene at night with, say, very bright stars when the blacks are grey?
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Meh - who cares about HDR on LCD when you can’t get true blacks. Every HDR LCD I’ve trialed has been inferior to OLED HDR. What is the point of showing a dark scene at night with, say, very bright stars when the blacks are grey?
Blacks are easily black enough to appreciate hdr on the new pros. Same with most of the lcd 4K tv’s.
He’s talking about video display, not photography.
The iPad Pro certainly has a wider gamut than previous displays but not sure we’ll get the full range of brightness for HDR10. I think there’s a good chance that movies and TV in iTunes will soon include HDR metadata for the next gen Apple TV so we’ll see how that translates to the iPad. And more apps will reflect iOS 11 capabilities on this front soon.
I'm sure you haven't tested a Sony ZD9 or a Samsung KS9800 with FALD. They produce excellent inky blacks but yes OLED wins here. But for HDR brightness also matters a lot and that's where OLEDs don't shine. They are less bright than LCDs and at high luminance levels colors become washed out.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/08/youtube-hdr-pixel-galaxy-s8-lg-v30/
This question may be answered soon. The capability just came to other HDR phones as seen from the link above. Though even when the iPad Pro gets HDR10 support for YouTube, Netflix etc.. the results will not look nearly as brilliant as watching on an OLED phone such as the Galaxy S8, as the LED backlit iPad cannot produce pure blacks like an OLED. The iPad Pro can only hit 600 nits. The HDR10 standard is a peak brightness of 1000 nits. So with no absolute black and a dimmer than spec peak brightness, even with HDR enabled one very much may not notice a difference. Especially since the iPad can continuously produce 600 nits throughout it's entire panel, something that most HDR TV's cannot do, HDR won't look too much different than SDR.
The new Note 8 can hit a staggering 1200 nits peak brightness which I'm really excited to see in person.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note8_ShootOut_100.htm
LG's new C7 OLED TV can only hit about 700 nits. At 55" larger panels have a much harder time holding high peak brightness.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c7-oled
Samsung's QLED TVs can hit 1000 to 1500 nits for some mindblowing HDR movie watching.
My experience with the 2017 Samsung line of quantum dot HDR televisions is that when the local dimming areas boost the luminosity to hit above 1000 nits the blacks still bloom too much.
As we can see from the tests, small areas that need go very bright simply cannot be achieved. Around 800 nits at best.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qled-q9f-q9
My lord lol. This could have been easily explained saying this was about the HDR10 video standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-dynamic-range_video#HDR10
As old as 2015, not the 1980s lol.
HDR photography is a different matter involving multiple exposures to get both bright and dark areas resolved. HDR10 is a new colour space and brightness standard for video and displays, which this thread was very obviously about.
I’ve just tested NetFlix’s Dare Devil, which has some spectacular HDR scenes in it.
I ran a comparison between a) My OLED HDR LG TV. b) My iPad Pro 10.5 c) My OLED Samsung S8. The two OLED devices blew the LED device away, primarily due to contrast and black levels.
Don’t get me wrong HDR on the iPad Pro is a great addition, just don’t expect it to compare to good OLED devices. Here’s hoping the iPhone X is a step up (although the max Nits is a bit of a worry)
I ran a comparison between a) My OLED HDR LG TV. b) My iPad Pro 10.5 c) My OLED Samsung S8. The two OLED devices blew the LED device away, primarily due to contrast and black levels.
Don’t get me wrong HDR on the iPad Pro is a great addition, just don’t expect it to compare to good OLED devices. Here’s hoping the iPhone X is a step up (although the max Nits is a bit of a worry)
How did you get HDR working? on my 10.5 it doesn’t indicate that HDR is on.
So hdr on Netflix is here. How do we know if it’s working or not, as I do not get any messages before I play a hdr stream? I have hdr switched on in my settings. On my tv hdr pushes my backlight up to max. On my 10.5 the brightness levels stay the same unless I manually move it when playing hdr. Any advice please??
There is no indicator but if you’ve updated the app and and you’re running a 10.5 then you meet all the requirements.
Rented an HDR title on iTunes and it really doesn’t look like its using HDR. If it is, not very good.
i've just tried the netflix 'sparks' hdr test demo, i find it a good demo to check if hdr is working. Tried it simultaneously on my lg oled C6, ipad pro 12.9 2017 running ios 11 and updated netflix app and ipad mini 4 running ios 10.
The tv looks great displaying the welders sparks and rays of sun light, both ipads look equally 'flat' with no discernable difference in displaying bright scenes. I turned tru tone off on the 12.9 just to check that it wasnt messing it around, no luck. Only difference between ipads is the colour rendering, reds look more orange on the 12.9 for example.
I do hope it isn't working properly, because if it is then its a bit of a let down.
Thanks gonna try Sparks on netflix to test HDR on the Galaxy tab S3 since we just got the software update today for it. Should do well since it's OLED and a true 10 bit panel......
So I guess HDR is truly not working on the iPads right now. That is a real bummer. Works great for iTunes content though on my 10.5.
1) YouTube uses their own proprietary VP9 codec for 4K video, so, you won't see 4K, nor HDR, as virtually everyone else is using HEVC/H.265 for 4K & HDR. Unless Google updates the YT app, which they can, but probably won't, don't expect this from YT. This is Google's problem this time, not Apple's. Be clear, this is Google's issue this time.
2) In order to utilize HDR10 & DolbyVision encoded content,
--for iTunes, you simply need to update to iOS 11.
--For Netflix, iOS 11, update the app, pay extra for Premium subscription.
--VUDU has not updated their app for 4K/HDR yet.
--YouTube, again, Google went proprietary with their 4K HDR content using VP9 codec. The problem is not with Apple, but, Google. Don't blame apple, blame google.
--Did I miss an app someone's asking about?
3) From what I've seen, your iOS device needs to have an A10X or A11 chip for HDR10 & DolbyVision. Only iPhone X is touted as having a true HDR display, as it is OLED and has much more contrast (and blacker black), however, the Video Playback specs for iPhone 8/8+, and 2017 iPad Pro models specify they support HDR10 & DV content.
Netflix updated the iOS app for HDR on Sept. 21st, and bug fixes yesterday:
*If you don't see this last line on an app update, it probably does not support HDR playback ("HDR video (on supported devices...).)
2) In order to utilize HDR10 & DolbyVision encoded content,
--for iTunes, you simply need to update to iOS 11.
--For Netflix, iOS 11, update the app, pay extra for Premium subscription.
--VUDU has not updated their app for 4K/HDR yet.
--YouTube, again, Google went proprietary with their 4K HDR content using VP9 codec. The problem is not with Apple, but, Google. Don't blame apple, blame google.
--Did I miss an app someone's asking about?
3) From what I've seen, your iOS device needs to have an A10X or A11 chip for HDR10 & DolbyVision. Only iPhone X is touted as having a true HDR display, as it is OLED and has much more contrast (and blacker black), however, the Video Playback specs for iPhone 8/8+, and 2017 iPad Pro models specify they support HDR10 & DV content.
Netflix updated the iOS app for HDR on Sept. 21st, and bug fixes yesterday:
*If you don't see this last line on an app update, it probably does not support HDR playback ("HDR video (on supported devices...).)