iPad Versus Netbook

[MythicFrost]

OS - tie. Apple OSX is superior to Win7 but iPhone OS is not.

I'm in a replying mode, just putting my thoughts out there.

Multi-tasking - netbook

The iPhone OS does multi-task, just not with non apple apps, for example you can go into your "Music" or "iPod" app and start playing music, and then navigate to safari and browse the web while the music's on.

Game playing - netbook. iPad games will be limited by the OS.

What games could a $350 net-book play well? Age of Empires on low-med settings? Warcraft 3 on high?

Internet Browsing - definately netbook. Mobile Safari cannot view all of the Internet, only non-Flash sites.

No it can't, but some sites have Mobile versions of their websites, and some like YouTube and Vimeo have HTML5 options which run fine, that amount of the web that can't be viewed will get smaller and smaller.

Applications - netbook. There are far more applications that will run on Win7 than will run on the iPad.

Yeah, but imagine trying to find even 500? The App Store allows you to browse the apps in categories (over 140,000), and top 25... etc.. and it also guarantee's there will be no malware, viruses or anything else you need to worry about.

Quality construction - iPad

Innovation - iPad

Battery life - iPad

User friendly - iPad

Sex appeal - iPad

Best toy of the year - iPad

Yeah

Memory - netbook

True it has more memory, but it needs it.. it's running a full OS on under powered hardware, the iPad is running a mobile OS on mega hyper powered hardware.

Functionality - netbook

Usefulness - netbook

If you don't need the few things having a cheap net-book computer offers, IE syncing it to your iPad, flash, etc... things that the iPad can't do... then I'd prefer the iPad.

Also a huge plus of the iPad is the ability (so I assume) to use it while walking, since it's very light!

 

[inott]

Fyp

Look i've been a diehard Apple fan my entire life, and am planning on purchasing an iPad, another in a VERY long line of apple products. BUT, no flash on the iPad is unacceptable. I was ok with it when i first got my iPhone is summer 08', It's a small device, and even being able to really surf the web on my phone was mindblowing enough, I could let no flash slide. But here we are two years later, with a MUCH more powerful and developed device, a device that is being billed as the ultimate web consuming machine. Yet there will be gaping holes throughout the web experience.

It will be YEARS untill HTML5 even starts to fully replace flash around the web, and untill then, me, my iPad, and that blue lego will be spending a fair amount of time together.

 

[marksman]

Look i've been a diehard Apple fan my entire life, and am planning on purchasing an iPad, another in a VERY long line of apple products. BUT, no flash on the iPad is unacceptable. I was ok with it when i first got my iPhone is summer 08', It's a small device, and even being able to really surf the web on my phone was mindblowing enough, I could let no flash slide. But here we are two years later, with a MUCH more powerful and developed device, a device that is being billed as the ultimate web consuming machine. Yet there will be gaping holes throughout the web experience.

It will be YEARS untill HTML5 even starts to fully replace flash around the web, and untill then, me, my iPad, and that blue lego will be spending a fair amount of time together.

The point is you contact gawker and ask them to upgrade their website to be usable by modern equipment and to meet modern standards. That is the route that is going to more effectively get to see gawker on an iPad. Not seeing here hoping that Apple is going to decide all their legitimate reasons for not implementing Flash on their mobile devices are no longer valid.

You don't care about flash. You care about gawker. Gawker also probably cares about you seeing their content. if they don't, well that will ultimately be a big problem for them. But if they do then they will adapt, because it is much harder for websites to get viewers than it is for apple to sell mobile devices.


The point is you are focusing your energy in the wrong direction. You probably don't give two flips about flash and neither does gawker. It is just how things evolved. Well now you work together to create a better future for the both of you instead of just wringing your hands and cursing Apple under your breath.

Apple's reasons for not implementing flash are strong and not likely to change. Apple is not going to lose this battle. There is no website out there that has the resources to force Apple's hand on this. Adobe would literally have to start paying websites to use flash to have any shot of making it stick around.

I know a lot about online marketing and websites and how they make money. It is very hard to make money with a website, any web site, and a lot or even most websites don't make much if any money. There are no sites out there that can afford to ignore the future, nor make themselves inaccessible to a large number of potential viewers. None.

All that will happen is those sites that don't adjust will be beaten out by competitors who do.

And none of this has anything to do with HTML5. It is the future, but you don't need Flash to have a full-featured website in 2010. It is wholly unnecessary.

 

[applesupergeek]

Netbooks are lightweight computers for light CPU computing such as web surfing, etc. Show me where netbooks have "every possible port and option to do everything".

The iPad can't even display 50% of web sites, why in the world would it be better for browsing? You can't even view streaming video on ESPN/Hulu/CNET/any news site/etc.

As for as users "trolling". Nice try but aren't you posting your opinion all over the boards also? What's the difference? People have a right to post their opinion, especially if they disagree with you. Stop being a stuck up online a$$.

Oh the mac rumors demi god talking out of his... armpit again. Care to show us where you pulled that percentage that half the websites of the is world won't work on the ipad? Let me take a wild guess. You might have pulled it out of your... armpit? Sure looks like it, although I think we all now where you really pulled it out of.

 

[dave1812dave]

Oh the mac rumors demi god talking out of his... armpit again. Care to show us where you pulled that percentage that half the websites of the is world won't work on the ipad? Late me take a wild guess. You might have pulled it out of your... armpit? Sure looks like it, although I think we all now where you really pulled it out of.

With a screen name such as yours, your opinion comes through loud and clear without you even touching your keyboard! We know your stance on anything Apple-related: "Apple can do no wrong". "Jobs is King". "who needs multitasking, anyway?" etc etc..

 

[applesupergeek]

With a screen name such as yours, your opinion comes through loud and clear without you even touching your keyboard! We know your stance on anything Apple-related: "Apple can do no wrong". "Jobs is King". "who needs multitasking, anyway?" etc etc..

Yeah, well at least I back up what I claim, and I don't pull out from where the sun never shines statistics as ludicrous as the one that 50% of the websites of this world will not work on the ipad. Because everyone of us (almost) has used an iphone and of course that's everyone's experience, 50% of the sites they visit, won't work....

And fiy, Jobs is King, apple does make mistakes, but then again they learn quickly from them or so it seems most of the time, and yes "multitasking" on a tablet is another stupid put down for what by all accounts seems like a great, revolutionary device, that does multitask to a good extent already (with push notification, save state feature, or outright multitasking in ipod + any other app say running say), it just does not "multi task) the way people expect it to work on a desktop os.

 

[dave1812dave]

Yeah, well at least I back up what I claim, and I don't pull out from where the sun never shines statistics as ludicrous as the one that 50% of the websites of this world will not work on the ipad. Because everyone of us (almost) has used an iphone and of course that's everyone's experience, 50% of the sites they visit, won't work....

And fiy, Jobs is King, apple does make mistakes, but then again they learn quickly from them or so it seems most of the time, and yes "multitasking" on a tablet is another stupid put down for what by all accounts seems like a great, revolutionary device, that does multitask to a good extent already (with push notification, save state feature, or outright multitasking in ipod + any other app say running say), it just does not "multi task) the way people expect it to work on a desktop os.

It took them TWO YEARS to give the iphone cut and paste for gawd's sakes! That's "learning quickly"?? No, it's called ARROGANCE. Jobs dictates to his customers, rather than LISTENING and correcting deficiencies immediately. Hey, hows the flickering screens going, by the way? Has the second update fixed that little snafu yet??

 

[NT1440]

It took them TWO YEARS to give the iphone cut and paste for gawd's sakes! That's "learning quickly"?? No, it's called ARROGANCE. Jobs dictates to his customers, rather than LISTENING and correcting deficiencies immediately. Hey, hows the flickering screens going, by the way? Has the second update fixed that little snafu yet??

Wow, your just a complete anti apple poster aren't you?

How can a missing feature be called arrogance? I've never understood that.

 

[dave1812dave]

Wow, your just a complete anti apple poster aren't you?

How can a missing feature be called arrogance? I've never understood that.

Excuse me, but I have 10 ipods, so I don't think I'm a "complete anti apple" poster, by ANY means. I simply call them as I see them. SOME Apple stuff is great. Other Apple products omit some very basic features that other products made more than 5 years ago, routinely provide. The ipad is not going to provide the greatest internet experience that Jobs, in his usual reality-distortion-field manner, would have the world believe. The thing doesn't even output hidef video,either. sad.

 

[applesupergeek]

It took them TWO YEARS to give the iphone cut and paste for gawd's sakes! That's "learning quickly"?? No, it's called ARROGANCE. Jobs dictates to his customers, rather than LISTENING and correcting deficiencies immediately. Hey, hows the flickering screens going, by the way? Has the second update fixed that little snafu yet??

I am sure your 27" inch all in one i5 or i7 pc is working just fine...oh wait, by bad, that's not even in the market!!!! Enjoy!

And how is Job's dictating to his customers? Copy, cut and paste was just a feature that took it's time to mature and be implemented WELL, not half arsed, vapourware, problematic, non functioning, buggy, the ms way that is. So, we did wait a bit, so what? It was still on the market faster and above all better than most others. Have you ever actually used it on an iphone, it works so well and so seamlessly...but what am I talking about you are just here to bash, not take anything at face value...

 

[NT1440]

Excuse me, but I have 10 ipods, so I don't think I'm a "complete anti apple" poster, by ANY means. I simply call them as I see them. SOME Apple stuff is great. Other Apple products omit some very basic features that other products made more than 5 years ago, routinely provide. The ipad is not going to provide the greatest internet experience that Jobs, in his usual reality-distortion-field manner, would have the world believe. The thing doesn't even output hidef video,either. sad.

Again, explain how not having copy/paste is arrogant? Did it somehow stunt the device to the point where it was useless? Same question with HD output.

 

[dave1812dave]

I am sure your 27" inch all in one i5 or i7 pc is working just fine...oh wait, by bad, that's not even in the market!!!! Enjoy!

And how is Job's dictating to his customers? Copy, cut and paste was just a feature that took it's time to mature and be implemented WELL, not half arsed, vapourware, problematic, non functioning, buggy, the ms way that is. So, we did wait a bit, so what? It was still on the market faster and above all better than most others. Have you ever actually used it on an iphone, it works so well and so seamlessly...but what am I talking about you are just here to bash, not take anything at face value...

time to mature??? hehe! that's too funny! "implemented well". LOL again! Cut and paste was available for years on other platforms--is Apple that lame that it took it two extra years to give users cut and paste? better? you have GOT to be kidding! It's just C&P, for craps sakes! It's not a revolutionary way to interact with personal electronics.

 

[macintosh.apple]

I had a netbook, I used it one. Hackintoshamized it, used it twice. It is no longer in one piece. Can't wait for my iPad

 

[NT1440]

time to mature??? hehe! that's too funny! "implemented well". LOL again! Cut and paste was available for years on other platforms--is Apple that lame that it took it two extra years to give users cut and paste? better? you have GOT to be kidding! It's just C&P, for craps sakes! It's not a revolutionary way to interact with personal electronics.

Show me another device that has a copy/paste function that is that intuitive. Go on.

 

[dave1812dave]

Again, explain how not having copy/paste is arrogant? Did it somehow stunt the device to the point where it was useless? Same question with HD output.

Perhaps you should do some research into the history of how unhappy both iphone owners and potential owners were with Apple's slow roll out of C&P. It was hardly a feature that just a few maverick users wanted--it was something that even die hard fanbois felt should have been included far sooner.
You think HD output is something hardly anyone wants?? It's hard to have a real convo with folks who have their heads so far up Apple's rear that they would claim no one really wants such features.

 

[sushi]

The ipad is not going to provide the greatest internet experience that Jobs, in his usual reality-distortion-field manner, would have the world believe.

This remains to be seen.

My guess is that for many, the iPad type Internet experience will be wonderful and very convenient.

 

[dave1812dave]

This remains to be seen.

My guess is that for many, the iPad type Internet experience will be wonderful and very convenient.

albeit limited, rather than the way that Jobs described it.

 

[NT1440]

Perhaps you should do some research into the history of how unhappy both iphone owners and potential owners were with Apple's slow roll out of C&P. It was hardly a feature that just a few maverick users wanted--it was something that even die hard fanbois felt should have been included far sooner.
You think HD output is something hardly anyone wants?? It's hard to have a real convo with folks who have their heads so far up Apple's rear that they would claim no one really wants such features.

Im asking you, out of the perceived market for the iPad, which seems like old people and those who want simple tech, are going to pick up this device and go "Damn, I would get one but the output is just a little too low res for me".

Again, you seem to think that apples market is made up of tech geeks like us, it is NOT as history clearly shows.

 

[NT1440]

albeit limited, rather than the way that Jobs described it.

He is a salesmen, why do people like you want to put him on some sort of pedestal? Of course he is going to play up any product he presents, just like any other good CEO would. Did you see anyone from google up on stage going "our nexus one is great! the only thing that sucks is the lack of multitouch in the web browser".

Again, think from a business perspective, thats all these companies are.

 

[applesupergeek]

time to mature??? hehe! that's too funny! "implemented well". LOL again! Cut and paste was available for years on other platforms--is Apple that lame that it took it two extra years to give users cut and paste? better? you have GOT to be kidding! It's just C&P, for craps sakes! It's not a revolutionary way to interact with personal electronics.

Yeah apple is lame, now what does that make you, sticking around in such a "lame" company's rumor/fan site bashing it?

 

[dave1812dave]

Im asking you, out of the perceived market for the iPad, which seems like old people and those who want simple tech, are going to pick up this device and go "Damn, I would get one but the output is just a little too low res for me".

Again, you seem to think that apples market is made up of tech geeks like us, it is NOT as history clearly shows.

I just got my first social security check today, so I'm not exactly a teeny bopper, but I've been a big tech user and follower for many years.

 

[dave1812dave]

Yeah apple is lame, now what does that make you, sticking around in such a "lame" company's rumor/fan site bashing it?

I don't mind taking the "heat" of you Apple fans! Bring it on! (besides, I LOVE my Touch and other ipods. My Touch is one of the coolest gadgets i use daily. I'm also partial to my MiFi, natch, so I can access the "limited" web anywhere I go. )

 

[NT1440]

I just got my first social security check today, so I'm not exactly a teeny bopper, but I've been a big tech user and follower for many years.

Which is exactly why you are blinded to the real demographic this device is aimed for. Hint: It sure as hell isn't power users.

This device would be in a category I call "casual computing."

 

[bindle]

I'd say both have something to bring to the table - and I'll end up owning both. The iPad looks great for casual media stuff in the lounge..

But if I can only have one (for the sake of this poll), I'll stick with my netbook. The iPhone OS on the iPad just doesn't allow enough room for me to do what I already do with my netbook. Closed filesystem, no multitasking, no 'full' internet etc. Acceptable for the iPhone, but not for a tablet device that's meant to position itself somewhere between phone and computer. The OS is still too fundamentally limited to offer any productivity advantage to me.
Not to mention lack of camera - I skype like crazy on my netbook.

Anyway, the poll results suggest what we already know...this is an apple forum. Take it out into the big bad world and it'll skew the other way I'm sure.

 

[SkyBell]

Why not a smaller laptop then?

I've never understood the idea of using a smaller than standard keyboard to get work done. Is the trade off really that significant? (honest question)

Most netbooks these days have very close to full size keyboards. (It's hard to tell the difference until you compare them side by side.)

Personally, I enjoy my netbook. My computing time is probably spent 45% eMac, 45% HP Mini, 5% Desktop PC and 5% iPhone. I'm extremely pleased with this setup, and there's no room for an iPad in there anywhere. And I don't see any reason to replace my netbook with one. The netbook runs a full featured OS, is more powerful, can multitask and run a much larger variety of software.

I can see why some people would prefer an iPad; but it's just not a feasible option for a lot of people compared to a netbook.