iPadOS 26 is an Absolute Mess

[zhenya]

I definitely prefer the new multitasking interface over the old - and especially the slide over. Previously slide over was incredibly inflexible and just not suited for a lot of apps. Now the interface works with any app and as stated, you can move it around. I would not be surprised if they also bring back the ability to carousel through slideover apps and I would be good with that. (I also would not be surprised if they don’t…)

 

[Ludatyk]

I will probably entertain whatever reason when i listen to someone in charge disclosing it, acknowledging the issue. Until then i could claim magical unicorns told them to remove it but that would be just.. me.

Well, let’s entertain the idea Apple give you a reason.. will you actually accept it? Or claim it’s bogus? Because I think the latter… no amount of reasoning Apple provide will remove any skepticism you have.

 

[says_stuff]

I definitely prefer the new multitasking interface over the old - and especially the slide over. Previously slide over was incredibly inflexible and just not suited for a lot of apps. Now the interface works with any app and as stated, you can move it around. I would not be surprised if they also bring back the ability to carousel through slideover apps and I would be good with that. (I also would not be surprised if they don’t…)

It is just less capable than before. Previously, you could use it to do like anything with it. You could watch a video, then you could check a note, you could look up a definition, you could launch a new search, check a match score all two swipes away.

Now you can.. move and resize one app. That’s it. You might prefer it the new experience if it’s suited to you but the fact remains that its something significantly less. Its doing less things than before. I might get used to the slower ux but tolerating less features is ridiculous for me after paying the money i paid to get this.

 

[says_stuff]

Well, let’s entertain the idea Apple give you a reason.. will you actually accept it? Or claim it’s bogus? Because I think the latter… no amount of reasoning Apple provide will remove any skepticism you have.

I will have to deal with it then. Right now i have to guess they are silently waiting to see if people just go with it so they can move on skipping the work. So i hope the discourse stays alive and they are pressured in restoring this. In that same explanation they should also aknowledge that a percentage of users will be unhappy with having less functionality and accept returns. That would be giving me a way out and appreciated.

 

[FeliApple]

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The correlation here being that the market seems to forgive, forget or even may reward you regardless of the status of your software releases. That’s.. something i guess.

The issue isn’t Apple’s market value. The issue is adoption rates.

People keep updating even though iOS updates obliterate devices. That’s the part I can’t understand.

And people recommend updating in spite of that.

I mean, at this point I have no empathy for chronic updaters. If you want to update and use severely updated garbage, go ahead. It’s on you.

Twenty years of iOS updates killing devices and you keep updating? It’s a conscious choice at this point.

 

[Mainsail]

The issue isn’t Apple’s market value. The issue is adoption rates.

People keep updating even though iOS updates obliterate devices. That’s the part I can’t understand.

And people recommend updating in spite of that.

I mean, at this point I have no empathy for chronic updaters. If you want to update and use severely updated garbage, go ahead. It’s on you.

Twenty years of iOS updates killing devices and you keep updating? It’s a conscious choice at this point.

I think you are being hyperbolic. I have been updating regularly for years, and it has never destroyed or killed one of my devices.

You might have a legitimate point, but please try to make an argument without the exaggeration…..it will seem less bias and more credible.

 

[Ludatyk]

I will have to deal with it then. Right now i have to guess they are silently waiting to see if people just go with it so they can move on skipping the work. So i hope the discourse stays alive and they are pressured in restoring this. In that same explanation they should also aknowledge that a percentage of users will be unhappy with having less functionality and accept returns. That would be giving me a way out and appreciated.

There is always going to be a percentage of users not pleased with a decision made… I’m not pleased with the removal of compact tabs in Safari. Using compact tabs made Safari less busy… but it’s gone, I moved on…

If you are expecting that every decision made is going to please 100% of users… you are sadly mistaken.

 

[zhenya]

It is just less capable than before. Previously, you could use it to do like anything with it. You could watch a video, then you could check a note, you could look up a definition, you could launch a new search, check a match score all two swipes away.

Now you can.. move and resize one app. That’s it. You might prefer it the new experience if it’s suited to you but the fact remains that its something significantly less. Its doing less things than before. I might get used to the slower ux but tolerating less features is ridiculous for me after paying the money i paid to get this.

IF your apps were compatible with that version of slide-over. Every time I tried it the apps I actually would want to use just didn’t work in the fixed space available. I instead fully adopted Stage Manager (the method Apple clearly prefers to continue to develop) and found that much more flexible and useful. All the more so now with the new UI.

I’m totally fine if they also continue to improve the new slideover - again - now made useful because it is compatible with all apps and allows free positioning.

 

[says_stuff]

I think you are being hyperbolic. I have been updating regularly for years, and it has never destroyed or killed one of my devices.

You might have a legitimate point, but please try to make an argument without the exaggeration…..it will seem less bias and more credible.

My iphone six was in a way killed by the last update it got, slowing down considerably, forcing me to update. I may have moved on from that but i didn’t forget that. I’m not updating my iphone 12 pro max to make sure it stays functional for that same reason. I now feel like i probably shouldn’t have supported such practices in retrospect.

The issue isn’t Apple’s market value. The issue is adoption rates.

People keep updating even though iOS updates obliterate devices. That’s the part I can’t understand.

And people recommend updating in spite of that.

I mean, at this point I have no empathy for chronic updaters. If you want to update and use severely updated garbage, go ahead. It’s on you.

Twenty years of iOS updates killing devices and you keep updating? It’s a conscious choice at this point.

I meant that yeah, if the market rewards me when i can evidently do something less for my users, saving money, facing no repercussions, well yes why not do less. I of course agree with you, the users being the driving force behind this.

There is always going to be a percentage of users not pleased with a decision made… I’m not pleased with the removal of compact tabs in Safari. Using compact tabs made Safari less busy… but it’s gone, I moved on…

If you are expecting that every decision made is going to please 100% of users… you are sadly mistaken.

I’m not expecting that. If they say that the functionality, that was one of the reasons i bought this, is not coming back for whatever reason, i will be pissed and would prefer to be offered a refund for that. Notice how i didn’t use the word expect.

IF your apps were compatible with that version of slide-over. Every time I tried it the apps I actually would want to use just didn’t work in the fixed space available. I instead fully adopted Stage Manager (the method Apple clearly prefers to continue to develop) and found that much more flexible and useful. All the more so now with the new UI.

I’m totally fine if they also continue to improve the new slideover - again - now made useful because it is compatible with all apps and allows free positioning.

I hope they do implement the app switcher. I see no reason not too. Freeform sizes and multiple apps would be very cool.

 

[FeliApple]

I think you are being hyperbolic. I have been updating regularly for years, and it has never destroyed or killed one of my devices.

You might have a legitimate point, but please try to make an argument without the exaggeration…..it will seem less bias and more credible.

Don’t take it so literally. Every 32-bit device is a piece of garbage if fully updated. Just a lag fest. The iPad 2 on iOS 9, the iPad Mini 1 on iOS 9, and equivalent iPhones.

Fully updated 64-bit devices, by the end of their lifespan, have seen battery life reductions of 60-70%. Newer devices like the Xʀ and Xs have seen better numbers, but still poor vs iOS 12. Likewise with the 2018 iPad Pro.

This is all avoidable by staying behind. No empathy with those affected by the final iOS update. You brought this on yourself, most with years on end of iOS experience.

 

[Ludatyk]

I’m not expecting that. If they say that the functionality, that was one of the reasons i bought this, is not coming back for whatever reason, i will be pissed and would prefer to be offered a refund for that. Notice how i didn’t use the word expect.

Prefer to be offered a refund? The even thought of that… screams entitlement.

Software updates are included with the device… some features are added, some are removed… that’s the agreement you signed up for when purchasing the device.

 

[notabitail]

Don’t take it so literally. Every 32-bit device is a piece of garbage if fully updated. Just a lag fest. The iPad 2 on iOS 9, the iPad Mini 1 on iOS 9, and equivalent iPhones.

Fully updated 64-bit devices, by the end of their lifespan, have seen battery life reductions of 60-70%. Newer devices like the Xʀ and Xs have seen better numbers, but still poor vs iOS 12. Likewise with the 2018 iPad Pro.

This is all avoidable by staying behind. No empathy with those affected by the final iOS update. You brought this on yourself, most with years on end of iOS experience.

I'm on iOS 18 on my iPad 7. I still get around 9 hours or so of solid ebook reading on it. I can get around 5 hours if I add in streaming content.

 

[says_stuff]

Prefer to be offered a refund? The even thought of that… screams entitlement.

Software updates are part of the service of owning a device… some features are added, some are removed… that’s the agreement you signed up for when purchasing the device.

I feel like you are using this to try and insult me after falsely claiming i am naively expecting for things from apple. But i do feel entitled to the functionality i paid for plenty and i would prefer things a certain way, pro-consumer style, yeah, so it’s not working, sorry.

Not sure why you would be advocating on behalf of apple, attacking my character, when i’m only asking for the restoration of a functionality that was taken away and offering my opinion, but do go on.

 

[Ludatyk]

I feel like you are using this to try and insult me after claiming i am expecting for things from apple. But i do feel entitled to the functionality i paid for plenty and i would prefer things a certain way, pro-consumer style, yeah, so it’s not working, sorry.

You are given a choice to upgrade or not… Apple haven’t taken that choice away from you.

If you are not pleased with the software update Apple has provided for you… don’t update. Continue using the functionality that you “paid” for.

 

[says_stuff]

You are given a choice to upgrade or not… Apple haven’t taken that choice away from you.

If you are not pleased with the software update Apple has provided for you… don’t update. Continue using the functionality that you “paid” for.

Yes. That means that i will lose on years of updates. If i didn’t want to have a constantly evolving device i wouldnt pay around 1000€ to get one.

What are the apostrophes for, do you think i stole my device from the store lol? Or am i not supposed to choose a device based on its characteristics, capabilities and logical expectancies for it?

 

[Ludatyk]

Yes. That means that i will lose on years of updates. If i didn’t want to have a constantly evolving device i wouldnt pay around 1000€ to get one.

Wait a min... trying to get an understanding here were expecting that the iPad wouldn't receive ANY changes to it based on updates?

What are the apostrophes for, do you think i stole my device from the store lol? Or am i not supposed to choose a device based on its characteristics, capabilities and logical expectancies for it?

No, I don't think you stole your device... just think your logic is flawed. Because you pay for the device as is... Apple is free to make any changes going forward.

 

[notabitail]

No, I don't think you stole your device... just think your logic is flawed. Because you pay for the device as is... Apple is free to make any changes going forward.

I believe they've even got a thing in the terms and conditions you have to agree to about that.

 

[says_stuff]

Wait a min... trying to get an understanding here were expecting that the iPad wouldn't receive ANY changes to it based on updates?

I said i wanted to have an evolving device so yeah i would expect changes. Just not a devolving one, missing features.

Apple is free to make any changes going forward.

Thanks for the reminder. It’s right there in the TOS i just read the whole thing again now and i just found the relevant part. It’s weird how a 4 trillion dollar company would not miss something that obvious and there you are, i was foolish to think that, though i didn’t and you are of course 100% correct to defend this behavior. I should even be happy for spending money on something randomly not covering my needs yeah. No of course lets not discuss about the missing features. Lets talk about the tos, the law and whatever else.

The people that updated without knowing whats in store should also be informed of this.

 

[Ludatyk]

I said i wanted to have an evolving device so yeah i would expect changes. Just not a devolving one, missing features.

Well, I guess that’s where we part ways… I don’t consider it being a devolving change.

 

[bcortens]

Don’t take it so literally. Every 32-bit device is a piece of garbage if fully updated. Just a lag fest. The iPad 2 on iOS 9, the iPad Mini 1 on iOS 9, and equivalent iPhones.

Fully updated 64-bit devices, by the end of their lifespan, have seen battery life reductions of 60-70%. Newer devices like the Xʀ and Xs have seen better numbers, but still poor vs iOS 12. Likewise with the 2018 iPad Pro.

This is all avoidable by staying behind. No empathy with those affected by the final iOS update. You brought this on yourself, most with years on end of iOS experience.

Given how hard Apple pushes users to update with unasked for notifications and default settings I won’t fully blame users. Apple is partly to blame because they want to be able to advertise that a high percentage of devices in use are on the latest version. They also set automatic updates as the default and even if you turn them off you have to take the extra step of turning off automatic downloads to fully opt out.

 

[says_stuff]

I don’t consider it being a devolving change.

So you disagree that the sliding window is doing less in terms of pure abilities? Doing less isn’t devolving?

 

[Ludatyk]

So you disagree that the sliding window is doing less in terms of pure abilities? Doing less isn’t devolving?

I responded before… you lose the ability to have multitask SlideOver stack, but you gain the ability to resize and move freely.

And in this new multitasking environment… you can have plenty of windows across your display. Maybe it’s just me… I prefer Stage Manager. I did not like the elongated shape of the SlideOver window… it was stuck in two positions (far left and right).

 

[achappy]

And that's your opinion. I like the current implementation that's been adapted with this new multitasking system... can move it around more freely and resize it to whatever form I like.

I held off commenting on the new implementation until I can actually use it and I have to agree. I like it better. Any size I want and it works well across stages.

So I now have iMessages in this permanent window and can access it in any stage instead of having to switch back to the one stage I had it in. And I can also make it the perfect size for me and not restricted.

 

[says_stuff]

I responded before… you lose the ability to have multitask SlideOver stack, but you gain the ability to resize and move freely.

And in this new multitasking environment… you can have plenty of windows across your display. Maybe it’s just me… I prefer Stage Manager. I did not like the elongated shape of the SlideOver window… it was stuck in two positions (far left and right).

Thanks. Since you confused me asking your opinion about the slideover shape and didn’t really answer, i’m gonna guess you don’t understand how something doing less things and differently can be considered less capable.

 

[FeliApple]

Given how hard Apple pushes users to update with unasked for notifications and default settings I won’t fully blame users. Apple is partly to blame because they want to be able to advertise that a high percentage of devices in use are on the latest version. They also set automatic updates as the default and even if you turn them off you have to take the extra step of turning off automatic downloads to fully opt out.

Apple is fully to blame for many things, including disallowing downgrading, the incessant push notifications, and automatic update settings like you said.

Users are solely to blame for pushing the button. If you can’t tolerate a few notifications to spare your device from this garbage… well, that’s indefensible. Turning off a setting is a ridiculously low bar.

I’ve refrained from updating iOS since iOS 5 debuted. It isn’t difficult at all.