iPad iPadOS is severely holding the iPad back... and Microsoft is going to save us...

[Flabasha]

Trying to expand the boundaries of technology, WTF are you talking about? In this case, the “technology” already exists, has existed for a long long time, and your complaining about problems that have already been solved. Lets go back a bit: your saying Apple is holding back, but give no evidence this is actually happening, even though your convinced it can’t happen forever. I currently have on my Mac Mini: OS, Windows XP/7/10, and a version of Linux all running on my iPad. You can remote in to your Mac mini from your iPad(and it feels exactly the same as at the terminal). I can also remote into my PS5 and XBSX from my iPad. My kids can do all this as well with their iPads and iPhones too. So, what is the limitation I’m hitting? And what is Apple holding me back from? Keep in mind, this isn’t some new found thing, we’ve had this same setup for a while(minus the game systems of course). If a device can do the things you want it to, but your not willing to put in the effort or money to set it up properly; you can hardly hold the device to company responsible for your laziness.

Try playing 4K video files in a Resolve timeline via remote. It’s a slideshow.

 

[kc9hzn]

I’m getting really tired of these “iPad needs to have full blown macOS” threads. iPad OS has its limitations, yes, but I don’t think those limitations are severe enough to justify putting the full macOS on the iPad, and I absolutely want to move away from the “desktop” way of doing things, which is really just a series of hacks and kludges that have been applied over the past 40 or so years. The way macOS solves some problem shouldn’t be the same way a touch-native operating system does, and, since we’ve got these powerful modern processors and aren’t hobbled by 68k chips anymore, maybe the old solution for these problems isn’t especially useful in today’s world.

We’ve seen Apple’s willingness, especially on iOS, to solve the same problems in a different way. Modern memory-separated sandboxed extensions have met the needs of so many use cases that 1990s Apple would have approached by using code injection. I think this idea of replacing iPadOS with full blown macOS would result in a bigger flaw than any of iPadOS’s current flaws.

 

[sparksd]

Funny how extremely opposite are some views in this thread... ?

So much of what we are talking about is a matter of personal preferences and likes/dislikes that there'll be a wide variety of opinions.

 

[RadioHedgeFund]

Surface+W11 lacks 2 things that make the iPad a compelling option: A £299 option and a lack of any touch friendly apps. Developers won’t build them because 99.9% of Windows machines are traditional computers and thus the market doesn’t exist. The Surface line remains expensive by comparison.

At the high end I get an iPad Pro that can record 4K60 for tutorial videos without an issue, actually takes good quality pictures and via the magic of Lidar lets me 3D scan objects for CAD and printing without resorting to photogrammetry. At the bottom end I get a machine that runs apps like Pixelmator, iMovie, Shapr3D and Affinity Photo without skipping a beat. The comparison at that price point is a Chromebook which can’t do much professional work but has its uses or a £299 Windows laptop which cannot run Fusion 360 very well.

 

[spiderman0616]

I’m getting really tired of these “iPad needs to have full blown macOS” threads. iPad OS has its limitations, yes, but I don’t think those limitations are severe enough to justify putting the full macOS on the iPad, and I absolutely want to move away from the “desktop” way of doing things, which is really just a series of hacks and kludges that have been applied over the past 40 or so years. The way macOS solves some problem shouldn’t be the same way a touch-native operating system does, and, since we’ve got these powerful modern processors and aren’t hobbled by 68k chips anymore, maybe the old solution for these problems isn’t especially useful in today’s world.

We’ve seen Apple’s willingness, especially on iOS, to solve the same problems in a different way. Modern memory-separated sandboxed extensions have met the needs of so many use cases that 1990s Apple would have approached by using code injection. I think this idea of replacing iPadOS with full blown macOS would result in a bigger flaw than any of iPadOS’s current flaws.

Same. It's been re-litigated over and over, year in and year out, on a daily basis. The following are still true, even after all the arguing:

1. iPads are very popular, whether you're talking the Pro models or not. And it's mostly not.
2. Apple is happy to sell you a Mac if you need something more capable than iPadOS.
3. Windows is still a garbage tablet OS. Even Windows 11. Even on ARM.
4. Apple does not need any "saving" from Microsoft. Like, at all.
5. Some people can do all their work on an iPad, and some can't. There are options on the market for both.
6. Windows is a legacy-laden pig that still has Windows 2000 menus in it when you dig down in the settings far enough.

 

[doboy]

Haven't seen any similar issues with my i7 SP7 (or any other h/w issues).

except crappy ass battery life, haha

 

[Mcckoe]

Streaming another device from a perfectly capable but software crippled one is not a solution to me. The solution will be Apple losing their complacency and evolving iPadOS as they should. There is no practical reason besides their bottom line to cripple the iPad as they do, and Microsoft with W11 and the Surface just make that painfully obvious. Hopefully Apple eventually gives in and competes.

Cripple the iPad? Remote using a Mac Mini on any device; gives you a ton of extra advantages the device won’t have running it natively(as a programmer it is nice to always login to exactly where you left off, or be able to leave the mini on to compile or download something; while i remote out). To say this isn’t a solution, is kind of like saying, “well yes that will solve all my problems, but not in my mind“, like WTF… and don’t give me that Microsoft does it better, because if that was the case; I’d be using a surface instead of an iPad Pro, I use what works the best, I don’t really care about brand or cost; and I haven’t had a dedicated windows machine in years(I of course run virtualized copies of windows in OS on my Mac mini remoting in through my iPad Pro). Even the cost of buying a Mac Mini and an iPad Individually is cheaper than most gaming PCs, or “high end” PCs that still barely compete with my iPad Pro on local stuff. I just don’t understand, and maybe you can answer it for me, what exactly is it, that you want an iPad to do? And is that something an iPad really needs to do locally? Else, go away, and stop being a troll.

 

[Flabasha]

I get about 6 hours of drawing on the Galaxy Book. I get about 2 hours in Procreate on my iPad Pro. Can’t speak for the Surface, though.

 

[iGalileo]

I’m getting really tired of these “iPad needs to have full blown macOS” threads. iPad OS has its limitations, yes, but I don’t think those limitations are severe enough to justify putting the full macOS on the iPad, and I absolutely want to move away from the “desktop” way of doing things, which is really just a series of hacks and kludges that have been applied over the past 40 or so years. The way macOS solves some problem shouldn’t be the same way a touch-native operating system does, and, since we’ve got these powerful modern processors and aren’t hobbled by 68k chips anymore, maybe the old solution for these problems isn’t especially useful in today’s world.

We’ve seen Apple’s willingness, especially on iOS, to solve the same problems in a different way. Modern memory-separated sandboxed extensions have met the needs of so many use cases that 1990s Apple would have approached by using code injection. I think this idea of replacing iPadOS with full blown macOS would result in a bigger flaw than any of iPadOS’s current flaws.

Exactly this. People need to really try to forget the old desktop paradigm and find ways to solve their needs and workflows using the ipad. Now I’m using mine with a mouse and keyboard, which I thought before it would not be good, but its great! So now I have few reasons to use my MacBook.

 

[Serban55]

I had an surface pro x..terrible experience, mediocre performance with no app support
I dont need android apps supp on windows..if you are for that you should buy an android tablet. Even chromebooks tried that android apps bs with no luck
For me, is not longer the OS but the apps
If ipados will have more pro apps will be a nice addition
Windows 11 on arm without developers jumping from x86 to arm is useless for me and for others
At least windows 11 is making touch better so for normal 2 in 1 devices that run x86 windows 11 will be nicer

 

[Mcckoe]

Before I resorted to buying the Galaxy Book, I tried all the apps for remoting into my MBP from my iPad Pro. The latency using pro apps (Photoshop, Resolve) was untenable.

The frustrating thing is, you’re right in a sense, MacOS works just fine on an iPad, Apple could release that tomorrow and completely unlock the power of the iPad. But it’ll never happen. They want customers like me, dudes who buy a $5K MacBook Pro AND a $1K+ iPad Pro.

They’re just gambling people won’t do what I did, and buy a Windows tablet. It’ll be interesting to see how that bet plays out.

I have never experienced any lag remoting into my Mac Mini locally(apple solved that years ago); slight lag when I’m at a location with bad internet(like a crappy hotel or something). Overall, it is a perfect solution; with the exception of being in areas without internet… which doesn’t affect me personally. 1000 dollar iPad Pro and a 600 dollar Mac Mini… 1600 dollars and the full power of the iPad Pro is unlocked.

 

[Mcckoe]

What app do you use to do that?

Mac OS

 

[Mcckoe]

Try playing 4K video files in a Resolve timeline via remote. It’s a slideshow.

I’m not sure what your asking? Remote runs at the native resolution of my iPad Pro, and with no lag(locally connected); if you were doing video editing on the Mac Mini, it feels exactly the same on the iPad Pro as it does being at terminal. If your talking about streaming a finished 4K video, I have a media server for that; and all my 4K files get compressed to HEVC after I’m done working on them.

 

[Rafterman]

I don't know what Apple's plans are for the iPad and MacOS, if any. But I can't believe that Apple crammed an M1, 2TB storage and 16GB of RAM in an iPad Pro, just to keep running mildly better versions of the current iPadOS.

 

[brofkand]

The sad thing is the CPUs on iPads mostly sit around doing absolutely nothing relative to their abilities until the device's battery is consumed or it stops getting updates or the low amount of RAM catches up and it's thrown away or whatever happens to it. There is no software on iPadOS that actually stretches its legs, and Apple doesn't seem to be bothered with that fact.

It's a relatively new problem in computing - historically, the software has been capable of much more than the hardware and it takes a few years for the hardware to catch up.

 

[sparksd]

except crappy ass battery life, haha

It works for me. haha.

 

[09872738]

I get about 6 hours of drawing on the Galaxy Book. I get about 2 hours in Procreate on my iPad Pro. Can’t speak for the Surface, though.

2 hours? I wasn‘t aware Procreate is that harsh on the battery. I get 10 hrs easily on a 2018 12.9 iPad Pro (not using Procreate though).
I am seriously surprised an Intel is that much better. Usually tests yield the opposite result

 

[kc9hzn]

I don't know what Apple's plans are for the iPad and MacOS, if amy. But I can't believe that Apple crammed an M1, 2TB storage and 16GB of RAM in an iPad Pro, just to keep running mildly better versions of the current iPadOS.

Well, already Apple opened up a mechanism for apps to request more than 5GB of RAM (as part of iPadOS 15). Also, an M1, 2TB of flash storage, and 16GB of RAM is already something that the pro workflows that the iPad Pro can handle could benefit from. Image editing would benefit from that 16GB of RAM, so could video editing. And you can store all those intermediate files for those processes on that 2TB of flash storage. Even without new software from Apple, it makes sense to have a high end machine that can address iPad-native pro workflows.

 

[spiderman0616]

I don't know what Apple's plans are for the iPad and MacOS, if amy. But I can't believe that Apple crammed an M1, 2TB storage and 16GB of RAM in an iPad Pro, just to keep running mildly better versions of the current iPadOS.

I feel like that's exactly what they did, though. The M1 is really more similar to a beefed up A14 than a traditional desktop CPU. It's not like they had to do one architecture change for Mac and one for iPad. The Mac conformed to work like an iPad, not the other way around. The fact that Apple is willing to do something like that, mostly successfully at that, to their most traditional and revered OS tells me that they need absolutely no help from Microsoft who can't even seem to get their act together producing their own devices.

 

[spiderman0616]

2 hours? I wasn‘t aware Procreate is that harsh on the battery. I get 10 hrs easily on a 2018 12.9 iPad Pro (not using Procreate though).
I am seriously surprised an Intel is that much better. Usually tests yield the opposite result

I had the 2020 12.9" iPad Pro, and used Procreate a lot. I never had that kind of battery drain.

 

[kc9hzn]

The sad thing is the CPUs on iPads mostly sit around doing absolutely nothing relative to their abilities until the device's battery is consumed or it stops getting updates or the low amount of RAM catches up and it's thrown away or whatever happens to it. There is no software on iPadOS that actually stretches its legs, and Apple doesn't seem to be bothered with that fact.

It's a relatively new problem in computing - historically, the software has been capable of much more than the hardware and it takes a few years for the hardware to catch up.

Apple has tons of features/techniques to reduce battery usage during low load scenarios. Four of those M1 cores are designed to be super efficient at the cost of performance, even. I’d even venture a guess that the biggest battery drains during low load usage on an iPhone or iPad are the screen and the wireless radios (Bluetooth, WiFi, cellular).

 

[spiderman0616]

Apple has tons of features/techniques to reduce battery usage during low load scenarios. Four of those M1 cores are designed to be super efficient at the cost of performance, even. I’d even venture a guess that the biggest battery drains during low load usage on an iPhone or iPad are the screen and the wireless radios (Bluetooth, WiFi, cellular).

Correct. My iPads, ESPECIALLY the models from the last few years, have always seemed to drain faster in standby than when I was using them.

 

[Flabasha]

I have never experienced any lag remoting into my Mac Mini locally(apple solved that years ago); slight lag when I’m at a location with bad internet(like a crappy hotel or something). Overall, it is a perfect solution; with the exception of being in areas without internet… which doesn’t affect me personally. 1000 dollar iPad Pro and a 600 dollar Mac Mini… 1600 dollars and the full power of the iPad Pro is unlocked.

To repeat, attempt to play 4K video files in Resolve (or Premiere) using a Wi-Fi remote solution.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

hasn’t samsung dex mode already put ipads to shame?

 

[spiderman0616]

hasn’t samsung dex mode already put ipads to shame?

Hard to say--ask the 10 people who have actually tried it.