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This gets back to some of us having a problem with modern Apple. Modern Apple is profit first product second. Apple used to seem to put products first and then expect that profit would follow.

I think they are no longer willing to eat their own lunch. I think if they came up with an iPhone under Tim Cook they wouldn’t have made it as easy to stop buying iPods as well. They would have hobbled storage more than they did or engaged in some other limitation to try and encourage people to buy two devices.
What a great point! I read the Jobs biography from Isaacson and in there Jobs talks extensively about making sure to "cannibalize yourself" before someone else does. This was in regard to the iPhone taking out the iPod. But it could also apply here. That is what I mean by cowards! :D
 
Got it, what term should I use? It simply can't do certain things. It doesn't allow side loading, it is limited in key ways, is if it knows what's best for us? So locked down? Fascist? I thought the opposite of all that being an "Adult OS" was a good way to put it.
"Mature OS" is better for what you are trying to express (without the unintended snark). Operationally, macOS and Windows OS have pretty much settled into what they are going to be. Whereas iPadOS is considered to be a "developing OS" as it's continuously changing and clearly has a ways to go.
 
"Mature OS" is better for what you are trying to express (without the unintended snark). Operationally, macOS and Windows OS have pretty much settled into what they are going to be. Whereas iPadOS is considered to be a "developing OS" as it's continuously changing and clearly has a ways to go.
I like that....mature OS. Thank you.
 
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I don't agree. I can work locally in my software for hours and I can update my files too. Then I only need internet for Dropbox to update everything in the background or to upload or send by email any work I have done...
On the iPad I can hardly do anything without the internet as my software is Windows only...
Tbf, I never said you couldn’t work… just that it would be difficult.

My point was the need for the internet… by way of submission as you illustrated or via communication.
 
Yeah, it’s a solution that is so simple and so easy to achieve that the extreme minority’s insistence is hilarious: sell the iPad, buy a Mac. Easy. But don’t obliterate the iPad due to the wishes of an extreme minority please, thank you.

If you need another device? Buy another Mac.
You do understand that virtually everyone who wants macOS on the iPad wants it as an *option*, not to replace iPadOS, correct? Trying to understand the mindset of arguing against the needs of other users when making them happy would not affect you negatively in the least.
 
You do understand that virtually everyone who wants macOS on the iPad wants it as an *option*, not to replace iPadOS, correct? Trying to understand the mindset of arguing against the needs of other users when making them happy would not affect you negatively in the least.
It depends how you implement it: Dual booting, probably not a good idea because of the many downsides that have been covered, running it in a VM, probably an acceptable compromise. Attempting some sort fo automatic mode switch, almost certainly not going to happen Due to the many technical and policy limitations
 
It depends how you implement it: Dual booting, probably not a good idea because of the many downsides that have been covered, running it in a VM, probably an acceptable compromise. Attempting some sort fo automatic mode switch, almost certainly not going to happen Due to the many technical and policy limitations
I would literally be okay with any of those solutions. Dual boot would be great! VM would be great! And if anyone can make an auto mode switch work, it would be Apple, and I would be okay with that too!
 
It depends how you implement it: Dual booting, probably not a good idea because of the many downsides that have been covered, running it in a VM, probably an acceptable compromise. Attempting some sort fo automatic mode switch, almost certainly not going to happen Due to the many technical and policy limitations
Yes, there are implementation details, but the hard part is already done. I favor the VM approach, personally. Limit it to the higher spec iPad models and that both ensures a pretty decent user experience and helps pay for the feature.
 
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It depends how you implement it: Dual booting, probably not a good idea because of the many downsides that have been covered, running it in a VM, probably an acceptable compromise. Attempting some sort fo automatic mode switch, almost certainly not going to happen Due to the many technical and policy limitations
macOS and iPadOS are essentially the same operating system just with a different user interface. I don't see why the Finder, Terminal, Spaces etc. couldn't run on an iPad.
 
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I would literally be okay with any of those solutions. Dual boot would be great! VM would be great! And if anyone can make an auto mode switch work, it would be Apple, and I would be okay with that too!
1. Dual boot would work with minor modifications to macOS (a prompt that detects when the keyboard and mouse are removed to prompt restarting into iPadOS)
2. Auto-mode switch has lots of problems that aren’t just on apple to solve. You would need a huge amount of developer buy in which I don’t think you would get (given how reluctant they are to build good iPad apps today)

VM is the way you get the fastest access to macOS apps (theoretically it should be pretty easy to add back the hypervisor to iPadOS though I don’t know if they removed some other parts of the core OS on which the hypervisor.
 
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macOS and iPadOS are essentially the same operating system just with a different user interface. I don't see why the Finder, Terminal etc. couldn't run on an iPad.
They could, but that’s not automode switch, what I mean by mode switch is that when you dock it transforms into macOS. This is something some people advocate for but I think would have developer buy-in problems that would lead to an inferior user experience, potentially a permanent inferior experience due to devs not being willing to put in the work.
 
Not who you asked, but I'll answer anyhow. I spend a lot of time in Terminal.app, one reason is advanced file management. The Mac is a computer, the iPad is a - powerful - toy.

Niche usage, but in any case unrelated to my question about the differences between Files and Finder, for practical terms, for the average user.

I have three Macs that I use alongside my iPad and they all serve a purpose.
I do stuff with them that I cannot do on an iPad, but that doesn’t make the iPad a “toy”. It is just a different type of computer. I do stuff with the iPad that would be highly inconvenient to do with the Macs.

My gripe is with people unable to articulate why they want a more powerful iPadOS, and the difference between Files and Finder is a point in case.

Let’s be honest, even if iPadOS had a Terminal app as powerful as MacOS, you would still use the Mac. No?
I’d guess you would not be interested in doing what you are doing on the move with a touch interface.
 
They could, but that’s not automode switch, what I mean by mode switch is that when you dock it transforms into macOS. This is something some people advocate for but I think would have developer buy-in problems that would lead to an inferior user experience, potentially a permanent inferior experience due to devs not being willing to put in the work.
Luckily you don't need to figure it out for the developer, Apple does, and I don't think it would be that difficult. Run states work really well in the BSD arena.
 
Tbf, I never said you couldn’t work… just that it would be difficult.

My point was the need for the internet… by way of submission as you illustrated or via communication.
It's not more difficult, it's that I cannot do everything, but I can use the time to work. Typical situation, I have to wait for 30 minutes or an hour. With a laptop I can fill that time and work and then upload whenever I have internet again etc. With an iPad I am stuck as it does not have my software.
 
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They could, but that’s not automode switch
I was trying to make a case against a "mode switch" and for the user choosing which apps to run at any given moment, some of which could use a more iPad-esque UI while others would be more macOS style.
 
Let’s be honest, even if iPadOS had a Terminal app as powerful as MacOS, you would still use the Mac. No?
I’d guess you would not be interested in doing what you are doing on the move with a touch interface.
Sure, I'm happy with the iPad being a powerful toy, and my Mac being a powerful computer. Having Terminal and Homebrew on the iPad would go a long way to bridge the gap, but it's still got a smaller screen and fewer ports. And not a lot of RAM.
 
So WHY is the option to have MacOS on iPad such a threat to the iPad community here? Are you afraid users might actually come to like it and relegate your iPad experience to the "below iPad Air" SKUs? You do know that MacOS can run iPadOS apps if the developer allows it?

Why should your desire for iPad purity trump others desire for a one device solution?
 
So WHY is the option to have MacOS on iPad such a threat to the iPad community here? Are you afraid users might actually come to like it and relegate your iPad experience to the "below iPad Air" SKUs? You do know that MacOS can run iPadOS apps if the developer allows it?

Why should your desire for iPad purity trump others desire for a one device solution?
I think you’re mistaking actually thinking through the UX pitfalls of the suggestion with being “threatened” by it. 🤷‍♂️
 
So WHY is the option to have MacOS on iPad such a threat to the iPad community here? Are you afraid users might actually come to like it and relegate your iPad experience to the "below iPad Air" SKUs? You do know that MacOS can run iPadOS apps if the developer allows it?

Why should your desire for iPad purity trump others desire for a one device solution?
The "leave the iPad alone" people are generally afraid that their iPad experience could change and become less "simple". Some might even prefer iOS to iPadOS.
Not that Apple has any intention of letting MacOS run on iPad as a virtual machine or dual boot anytime soon if ever, but in an imaginary world were they had that intention, these people should welcome a MacOS option for power users instead of iPadOS becoming more desktop like, but they are not able to even realize that....
 
The "leave the iPad alone" people are generally afraid that their iPad experience could change and become less "simple". Some might even prefer iOS to iPadOS.
Not that Apple has any intention of letting MacOS run on iPad as a virtual machine or dual boot anytime soon if ever, but in an imaginary world were they had that intention, these people should welcome a MacOS option for power users instead of iPadOS becoming more desktop like, but they are not able to even realize that....
You understand it’s possible to “realize” and understand a point of view while just disagreeing with it, right?

I’m an IT guy. If I needed “power” usage I’ll reach for my Mac. Meanwhile, I’m happy as a clam that the iPad is simple enough to be the only personal computer that I have both my parents on.

Would I personally use an iPad in a macOS mode? Maybe, depending on the UI compromises that would HAVE to be made. Would I want to open up that can of worms in supporting my family’s tech problems (willingly or not)? Hell no.

As a tech nerd myself, I don’t understand the disdain that some people have for normal people gravitating towards Apple devices BECAUSE they are simple to use for the use cases of 90% of the population. I think Apple has always been fantastic about bringing advanced technology to the masses by packaging it in simple to understand UX. That’s always been the key to their success but after decades of this, tech snobs still insist the company would be better off abandoning that approach in favor of the whims of techies?
 
You understand it’s possible to “realize” and understand a point of view while just disagreeing with it, right?

I’m an IT guy. If I needed “power” usage I’ll reach for my Mac. Meanwhile, I’m happy as a clam that the iPad is simple enough to be the only personal computer that I have both my parents on.

Would I personally use an iPad in a macOS mode? Maybe, depending on the UI compromises that would HAVE to be made. Would I want to open up that can of worms in supporting my family’s tech problems (willingly or not)? Hell no.
Disagreeing with what? What compromises are you talking about?
 
Disagreeing with what? What compromises are you talking about?
“these people should welcome a MacOS option for power users instead of iPadOS becoming more desktop like, but they are not able to even realize that....”

There’s nothing to “realize”, I get your argument and I just plainly disagree with it.
 
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