iPhone 11 iPhone 11/Pro/Max 2.66 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Geekbench 4 >14000, Geekbench 5 >3500

[EugW]

I don't care about geekbench scores or how improved they are over the previous phones. I know I haven't had a lagging iPhone in a few years or more so I'm sure this year will be no different.

Laggy performance is also a result on insufficient RAM. All of your four iPhones (7 Plus, 8 Plus, X, and XR) have 3 GB, which is sufficient for most people... for now.

One of the great things about Geekbench tests is that they also tell us about the RAM amount. The new R gets 4 GB.

I've already noticed 2 GB devices are starting to lag, and have advised people not to get 2 GB iDevices in 2019 unless their needs are light and aren't expected to change. Going forward it will be interesting to see how fast Apple moves up in RAM specs, but now we are wondering if the OLED iPhones in 2019 will have 6 GB RAM, given that the new XR replacement will likely have 4 GB, and given that there have already been rumours of 6 GB RAM prior to this Geekbench leak. Furthermore, I think it's almost guaranteed that all the new iPad Pros will have 6 GB RAM (or possibly even more in the top end model).

 

[EugW]

SoC will be the same, but RAM may be different.

XS and Max are 4 GB, and XR is 3 GB.

If XIR is 4 GB, what will XI Pro and XI Pro Max be? I know some rumours predicted 6 GB.

https://mobile.pconline.com.cn/1286/12865671.html

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I'll be pleasantly surprised if iPhone12,3 and iPhone12,5 are 6 GB RAM. That 128 GB would also be very nice.

Hmmm... Interesting. That Chinese site specifically stated several days ago that the single-core score of A13 would be 5500.

 

[tonybarnaby]

All out speed doesn't really matter to me. Apple has dominated the SOC game for years now. But as far ahead as they are in regards to snapdragon and exynos, they are equally as far behind in terms of their battery life. It's mainly due to the small size they insist on using. The XR should have a 4000mah battery if they want to market it as "the best battery life on an iPhone ever". My 8+ isn't even close to 3000mah, which is a travesty. I don't care about camera quality or all out speed. Give me 4000mah and 6gb of ram.

 

[now i see it]

Geekbench on iOS will soon become irrelevant if it's not already. Undoubtedly Aple will reveal some sort of "Neural Processing Unit" as some sort of co-processor capable of "10 billion calculations per second" embedded in the SOC or some other nonsense that Gerkbench can't even see.

 

[EugW]

Geekbench on iOS will soon become irrelevant if it's not already. Undoubtedly Aple will reveal some sort of "Neural Processing Unit" as some sort of co-processor capable of "10 billion calculations per second" embedded in the SOC or some other nonsense that Gerkbench can't even see.

Those units are still useless for general computing.

Basically Geekbench tries to measure cross-platform tasks, but won't measure some stuff like you say. As long as you understand that, the test should remain somewhat useful.

And in the very least, it's useful to compare iOS devices against iOS devices.

 

[tps3443]

New toy to play with, and a quick run with the new Geekbench 5. Not bad for a device from 2017. I am extremely curious to see real world GPU performance of the A13 vs something like the Snapdragon 855 that does particularly well in 3D applications.

Is it just me or do the A11 and A12 perform remarkably close in multithreaded performance?




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[EugW]

I get >1400 with the iPhone 7 Plus (A10) in Geekbench 5. General UI and app performance on this phone are still pretty good. It's even reasonable with the iPad Air 2 (A8X) and iPhone SE (A9), although I can notice more lag with these devices. My iPad Pro 10.5" (A10X) is outright fast though.

Judging by the table of iOS performance in various devices, I think probably a reasonable cutoff for adequate performance for mainstream users is around ~1000 multi-core in Geekbench 5.

That means anything with A8 or below doesn't make the grade. The fact that all the A8 devices are only 1 GB RAM doesn't help either.

 

[44267547]

All out speed doesn't really matter to me. Apple has dominated the SOC game for years now. But as far ahead as they are in regards to snapdragon and exynos, they are equally as far behind in terms of their battery life. It's mainly due to the small size they insist on using. The XR should have a 4000mah battery if they want to market it as "the best battery life on an iPhone ever". My 8+ isn't even close to 3000mah, which is a travesty. I don't care about camera quality or all out speed. Give me 4000mah and 6gb of ram.

Actually, I’d go a step further and say ‘speed’ doesn’t really matter to the majority of consumers. They don’t understand A-series processor/Ram/neutral engines ect, let alone that’s why Apple doesn’t even discuss Ram management during their keynotes. [The only market what they want the consumer to actually see]. In terms of actual performance, iPhones have always been strong contenders, but that’s partially due to stability of iOS updates.

 

[tps3443]

I get >1400 with the iPhone 7 Plus (A10) in Geekbench 5. General UI and app performance on this phone are still pretty good. It's even reasonable with the iPad Air 2 (A8X) and iPhone SE (A9), although I can notice more lag with these devices. My iPad Pro 10.5" (A10X) is outright fast though.

Judging by the table of iOS performance in various devices, I think probably a reasonable cutoff for adequate performance for mainstream users is around ~1000 multi-core in Geekbench 5.

That means anything with A8 or below doesn't make the grade. The fact that all the A8 devices are only 1 GB RAM doesn't help either.

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I bought a brand new iPhone 7 about 2 weeks ago, this phone does a great job at keeping up in 2019. I played ARK Survival evolved on it last night for 2 hours straight from 100% battery all the way to 3% battery with no throttling, or choppy performance at all “High graphics setting” 100% resolution slider”

I was so impressed I had to write a review about the game on the App Store and how great it performed on my iPhone 7.

Oh and, A12X is still a monster. I guess the A13 has no chance against it.

 

[tonybarnaby]

Actually, I’d go a step further and say ‘speed’ doesn’t really matter to the majority of consumers. They don’t understand A-series processor/Ram/neutral engines ect, let alone that’s why Apple doesn’t even discuss Ram management during their keynotes. [The only market what they want the consumer to actually see]. In terms of actual performance, iPhones have always been strong contenders, but that’s partially due to stability of iOS updates.

That's because uneducated consumers will just assume an Android phone with 8gb of ram must be superior. I understand it, but kind of lame.
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I bought a brand new iPhone 7 about 2 weeks ago, this phone does a great job at keeping up in 2019. I played ARK Survival evolved on it last night for 2 hours straight from 100% battery all the way to 3% battery with no throttling, or choppy performance at all “High graphics setting” 100% resolution slider”

I was so impressed I had to write a review about the game on the App Store and how great it performed on my iPhone 7.

Oh and, A12X is still a monster. I guess the A13 has no chance against it.

2 hours took 97% of your battery??

 

[EugW]

I bought a brand new iPhone 7 about 2 weeks ago, this phone does a great job at keeping up in 2019. I played ARK Survival evolved on it last night for 2 hours straight from 100% battery all the way to 3% battery with no throttling, or choppy performance at all “High graphics setting” 100% resolution slider”

I was so impressed I had to write a review about the game on the App Store and how great it performed on my iPhone 7.

Oh and, A12X is still a monster. I guess the A13 has no chance against it.

Yes, A12X is a monster. However, for regular mainstream usage, A10X usually feels just as fast. For UI interaction, A12X only occasionally feels faster. For content creation with multimedia apps though, A12X can be way faster.

But no, A13 still won't be able to compete with A12X.

I'm looking forward to a 2019 A12X Max (?) iPad Pro.

2 hours took 97% of your battery??

Gaming takes a lot of juice.

 

[44267547]

That's because uneducated consumers will just assume an Android phone with 8gb of ram must be superior. I understand it, but kind of lame.

You’re right, and that’s because they’re (Average Consumers) uninformed and uneducated. Before I was in the tech sector, I probably was one of those same people that you’re describing, but Ram isn’t what dictates how a phone performs altogether, there’s a lot of contributing factors behind that.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

That's because uneducated consumers will just assume an Android phone with 8gb of ram must be superior. I understand it, but kind of lame.

Larger ram does help Android. Most 8gb flagships keep more apps open (and longer) without refreshing vs any iPhone, and 12gb flagships is no contest.

 

[tonybarnaby]

Larger ram does help Android. Most 8gb flagships keep more apps open (and longer) without refreshing vs any iPhone, and 12gb flagships is no contest.

Yeah, but Android is ram heavy. An 8gb of ram Android phone could easily run worse than a 4gb ram iPhone, but if Apple advertised they had 4gb of ram, uninformed consumers would just assume the Android phone was 2x as powerful.

 

[EugW]

Larger ram does help Android. Most 8gb flagships keep more apps open (and longer) without refreshing vs any iPhone, and 12gb flagships is no contest.

iOS and Android memory management work differently. Android inherently needs more RAM. However, that doesn't mean Apple hasn't been too stingy with RAM, because I think they have been too stingy. Apple really shouldn't be selling 2 GB iPads in 2019 IMO.

 

[tps3443]

That's because uneducated consumers will just assume an Android phone with 8gb of ram must be superior. I understand it, but kind of lame.
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2 hours took 97% of your battery??

Ark Survival is very demanding. Not to mention a non plus iPhone 7 doesn’t have the biggest battery, and cannot compete with plus phones. My iPhone 7 is newly manufactured from this year, with 100% battery health remaining.

I thought 2 hours in ark on high was just incredible for a such a small little iPhone 7.

 

[tonybarnaby]

Ark Survival is very demanding. Not to mention a non plus iPhone 7 doesn’t have the biggest battery, and cannot compete with plus phones. My iPhone 7 is newly manufactured from this year, with 100% battery health remaining.

I thought 2 hours in ark on high was just incredible for a such a small little iPhone 7.

I've never heard of that game, but burning nearly 1% per minute is insane to me. Maybe see how your 8+ does

 

[tps3443]

I've never heard of that game, but burning nearly 1% per minute is insane to me. Maybe see how your 8+ does

Much larger battery, and the A11 uses around half the power of a A10. I can only imagine how much longer it’ll last.

 

[SoYoung]

I'm a little newbie on this kind of stuff, but what are the scenario when single core performance will shine and what scenario the multi core performance will shine as well?

For the test itself, it just confirm what I think since 2-3 years. The smartphone market reach the mature status. Performance are realy good and will not go up as fast as the early years of this market. I think we are close from the end of yearly phone release and will become like the computers and tablet market with new models maybe every year and a half or 2 between each others.

I think yearly upgrades are useless nowadays.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

iOS and Android memory management work differently. Android inherently needs more RAM. However, that doesn't mean Apple hasn't been too stingy with RAM, because I think they have been too stingy. Apple really shouldn't be selling 2 GB iPads in 2019 IMO.

I agree. I have 3 iPads. iPad Mini 5 which I currently use.

The iPad 2 512mb and iPad Air at 1gb (first Gen). The iPad 2 is too slow to be usable, with the exception of the simplest tasks like alarms and such. The iPad Air takes about 5-7 seconds to launch any app, but it's usable. If these iPads had just 1GB extra ram, they would last at least a year longer before it show signs of needing to upgrade.

IMO, the ram is a bottleneck against the CPU.

 

[UBS28]

Posted on MacRumors front page now.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...rate-performance-gains.2196119/#post-27680178

Careful observers will note oddly low figures for the L1 and L2 caches on this A13, but Poole tells us Geekbench has difficulty telling whether the cache values it reads are for the high-performance or high-efficiency cores, particularly on unreleased hardware for which the software hasn't been optimized.

While we can't confirm whether the Geekbench result is legitimate, as results certainly can be faked, all of the data appears reasonable or explainable and Poole tells us "there's nothing obviously wrong with the result."

Real multitasking.
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Not exciting at all. Plus I’d be expecting 6GB on what will likely be a VERY expensive phone

Only 6 gb? I expect atleast 12 gb like the competition offers in the flagship segment for this type of money.

 

[Shirasaki]

Oh and, A12X is still a monster. I guess the A13 has no chance against it.

It is indeed. Just one example: One (very badly programmed and designed) 3D game has default maxed out graphical setting on A12X and next tier down default setting on A12. And in practice, A12X never breaks a sweat. I can also play it for 4 hours straight on an iPad without any slowdown or stutter, ANY.
I am extremely impressed by the performance Apple has packed in A12X.

 

[tps3443]

I'm a little newbie on this kind of stuff, but what are the scenario when single core performance will shine and what scenario the multi core performance will shine as well?

For the test itself, it just confirm what I think since 2-3 years. The smartphone market reach the mature status. Performance are realy good and will not go up as fast as the early years of this market. I think we are close from the end of yearly phone release and will become like the computers and tablet market with new models maybe every year and a half or 2 between each others.

I think yearly upgrades are useless nowadays.

Browsing the web would probably be a great example of a single threaded workload. While editing a video in iMovie would be your multithreaded workload.

Being faster in single threaded applications means the CPU is faster plain and simple. It is like directly comparing a single core to another.

iPhones last for years, look at the iPhone 8 it performs about 8-10% slower than a iPhone XS in multithreaded applications. Even in 2019 you couldn’t ask for much more.

 

[44267547]

I'm a little newbie on this kind of stuff, but what are the scenario when single core performance will shine and what scenario the multi core performance will shine as well?

For the test itself, it just confirm what I think since 2-3 years. The smartphone market reach the mature status. Performance are realy good and will not go up as fast as the early years of this market. I think we are close from the end of yearly phone release and will become like the computers and tablet market with new models maybe every year and a half or 2 between each others.

I think yearly upgrades are useless nowadays.

And iPhone 6s running a beta of iOS 13 actually performs really well, that really tells you something about a phone that’s four years old. Now, in terms of actual upgrades for consumers on an annual basis, do they really _need_ to be upgrade on an annual basis? No, they don’t. But competitors release annual devices every year, because it’s a large portion of revenue for them and they are in a competing market that’s basically ‘cut-throat’ against each other. Consumers don’t tend to upgrade every year, it’s more of a ‘leap frog’ type of situation (Or even longer than two years in some situations), but performance numbers really don’t matter to the average consumer.

 

[tps3443]

I can upgrade my 2 year old phone in 2 years to a phone that is already 2 years old and still be blown away