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iPhone 11 iPhone 11/Pro/Max 2.66 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Geekbench 4 >14000, Geekbench 5 >3500

So BOTH 11 and 11 Pro have 4gb? I get these phones are ultra optimized to run perfectly but besides the extra camera and OLED...what realistically separates them? Is it really worth the price difference?

With that said, I have an XS and will preorder an 11 Pro but something’s gotta give eventually...
 
ant the ninja said:
So BOTH 11 and 11 Pro have 4gb?
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It appears so, yes.

I get these phones are ultra optimized to run perfectly but besides the extra camera and OLED...what realistically separates them? Is it really worth the price difference?
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I think the Pros are overpriced, but they do have their advantages:

1) More camera lenses.
2) Much nicer screen, with much higher pixel density too. To me that pixel density difference is noticeable, although my wife doesn't see it.

Note though that the 11 actually displays more information on-screen than the 11 Pro. The 11 and the 11 Pro Max display the same amount of information, and both display 22% more than the 11 Pro. Also, both the 11 and 11 Pro Max should have Zoomed Display mode, whereas the 11 Pro won't have that feature. (The 11 and 11 Pro Max will zoom to show what's on the 11 Pro screen. The 11 Pro can't zoom to anything because there is no matching smaller resolution.)

With that said, I have an XS and will preorder an 11 Pro but something’s gotta give eventually...
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I think it's nuts to replace an XS with an 11 Pro.
 
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EugW said:
It appears so, yes.


I think the Pros are overpriced, but they do have their advantages:

1) More camera lenses.
2) Much nicer screen, with much higher pixel density too. To me that pixel density difference is noticeable, although my wife doesn't see it.

Note though that the 11 actually displays more information on-screen than the 11 Pro. The 11 and the 11 Pro Max display the same amount of information, and both display 22% more than the 11 Pro. Also, both the 11 and 11 Pro Max should have Zoomed Display mode, whereas the 11 Pro won't have that feature. (The 11 and 11 Pro Max will zoom to show what's on the 11 Pro screen. The 11 Pro can't zoom to anything because there is no matching smaller resolution.)


I think it's nuts to replace an XS with an 11 Pro.
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I agree, the only reason I am upgrading is because I am on the upgrade program. If I was buying outright, never in a million years.

Here’s to hoping 2020 really blows us away!
 
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dan-K said:
Is iPhone 12,1 the 11 (non Pro)?
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According to previous leaks:

iPhone12,1 N104 is iPhone 11 (non-Pro)
iPhone12,3 D42 is iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone12,5 D43 is iPhone 11 Pro Max

It's curious that in both the Geekbench 4 and the Geekbench 5 scores, the 11 Pro scores about 22-25% faster than the 11 in multi-core, even though their single core scores are similar and both are running at 2.65 GHz.

Both are 4 GB, and their memory scores seem relatively similar.
 
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EugW said:
According to previous leaks:

iPhone12,1 N104 is iPhone 11 (non-Pro)
iPhone12,3 D42 is iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone12,5 D43 is iPhone 11 Pro Max

It's curious that in both the Geekbench 4 and the Geekbench 5 scores, the 11 Pro scores about 22-25% faster than the 11 in multi-core, even though their single core scores are similar and both are running at 2.65 GHz.

Both are 4 GB, and their memory scores seem relatively similar.
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Hmm, with the same internals in both Pro and non-Pro, why would this be do you think?
 
What about memory bandwidth?
I see exactly the same 19GB/second bandwidth as XS Max.
Faster means memory bandwidth in the first place.
 
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BTW, I submitted the new scores to MacRumors last night but haven’t heard back, so I’m not sure if they’ll post them or not.
 
dan-K said:
Hmm, with the same internals in both Pro and non-Pro, why would this be do you think?
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Binned chips in the Pro? If everything is the same this is the only option.

Also very disappointed with the memory available on the "Pro" units...

EugW said:
No idea. Maybe the scores will normalize as more come in.
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Could be binned chips that come out in manufacturing superior to the normal sizing therefore being able to overclock /w efficiency higher
 
A13 Metal score ties A10X. Both easily beat A12. A12X still is way, way ahead though.

A12X: 9398 - https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/55415
A10X: 6615 - https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/52926
A13: 6557 - https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/57261
A12: 4666 - https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/57057
[doublepost=1568278350][/doublepost]This tweet says 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max have 6 GB RAM:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-11-pro-and-11-pro-max-both-have-6gb-of-ram.2197663/

That appears to contradict these iPhone12,3 scores.

OTOH, GSM Arena says the iPhone 11 Pro is 4 GB.

https://m.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_11_pro-9847.php
 
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ksec has posted evidence from Xcode that they are all 4 GB, not 6 GB.

Also, a whole bunch of Geekbench scores were posted today, and all of them show 4 GB for all three models. Here is one for the iPhone 11 Pro Max:

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Furthermore, another one for the 11 (non-Pro) aka iPhone12,1 has been posted which shows performance reasonably close to the Pros for GB5 multi-core, suggesting the original iPhone12,1 score was an outlier, which is common to see early on with Geekbench.

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Apple should quit acting like device RAM is a state secret - and just lay out the specs.

Does Apple somehow think it would jeopardize pre-orders, if information got out beforehand?

Sheesh!
 
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Thank you for what is obviously a ton of work on this.

EugW said:
I think it's nuts to replace an XS with an 11 Pro.
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I initially thought I would wait this out (XS Max), but I'm in the IUP, so the incremental cost of the upgrade based on current prices is only the sales tax and I'm thinking I will probably "upgrade" this year.

Semi-off topic, but the IUP feels to me more like a lease program than a sales program, and it probably does a very good job of doing what Apple presumably intended - make it easy to drive up unit sales.
 
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