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tps3443

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I can avoid micro scratches on any iPhone or iPad With care and caution. These new iPhones make it nearly physically impossible to do this.

whoever is thinking it is abuse. it is not abuse to the device. The new glass is just extremely fragile against scratching.
 
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rdillon2008

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The tougher the glass is to crack the more it is susceptible I scratches. The easier it is to scratched to more susceptible it is to crack on a drop. Hence, you have sapphire glass which is easy to crack but scratch resistant.
 

tps3443

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The tougher the glass is to crack the more it is susceptible I scratches. The easier it is to scratched to more susceptible it is to crack on a drop. Hence, you have sapphire glass which is easy to crack but scratch resistant.

I know but I think the average person including myself could avoid dropping there phone. And we could easily maintain very minimal micro scratching over time. But now, these screens scratch like crazy.
 

UBS28

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Oct 2, 2012
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It is not sand that is the problems as people don’t wear the iPhone’s in the Apple Store in their pants constantly (probably security will come at you if you try it).

At the same time I have used my iPhone X for 2 years (no screen protector) and my screen looks way better than every 3 week iPhone 11 Pro I have seen in the Apple Store which has been under less abuse.

The demo models are not even used alot as the tables are always empty when I check it.
 

Morrissey

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Mar 17, 2018
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Aye I get it. To each his own. But I would get tired of replacing the screenprotector every 2-3 weeks.
Not every 2-3 weeks, more like every 4-5 months, or until the glass protector break. A good inexpensive glass bought on Amazon can last like 4 months, I still had a bunch that I bought for my old XSMax that I use now on my Pro Max :)
 

rdillon2008

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Aug 23, 2018
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Not every 2-3 weeks, more like every 4-5 months, or until the glass protector break. A good inexpensive glass bought on Amazon can last like 4 months, I still had a bunch that I bought for my old XSMax that I use now on my Pro Max :)

I do not know what screen protector you are using but I got a tempered glass from apple which was belkin for $39 for the xs max. That screen protector lasted me a year. Now, I am using one from spigen that cost me 10.99 for two so I will see how long this last.
 

Arndroid

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Oct 3, 2013
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Call Pest Control and tell them to treat for Desk Mites. They live on desks and feast on glass.
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Jerry and other "testers" merely spend a few minutes with the devices, and they don't need to save up to buy them. This means they simply don't spend enough time with the devices to get an every day experience (even if they give their videos catchy titles like "After 2 months with the phone"), and they don't check on these phones after a few days or weeks of 5-15 hours of daily use, since they never use them in the first place.

In that particular video Jerry unboxed, and went through his regular tests, one by one. However, he mainly focused on the back side of the iPhone. He didn't carry it around for days (in his soft cloth trousers pocket). Didn't got dust or fingerprints on it, didn't clean the screen repeatedly, never rubbed it against his T-Shirt, etc. In other words: these videos are fun to watch, but can not be called real scenario usage tests.

I doubt that famous Youtuber and Apple-fan "iPhoneDo" does carry it around either, since he claims to be a perfectionist. Or maybe he put on a full size screen protector (also covering the easy to scratch notch area) first thing after unboxing.

I'm not trying to proof anything here. Just mentioning this as the reason why I did not buy the iPhone 11 Pro when going to the store, after I have seen the scratches, and asking for your experiences/opinions. I was really looking forward to purchasing the new iPhone. I did a lot of reading up and waited for the day, but then was quite taken back, inside the actual store on my day of planed purchasing, by the scratches on every iPhone 11 Pro on display.

I might be ok with spending € 600 on such a phone, and have a € 35 screen protector applied, but not so much for a € 1319 (iPhone 11 Pro 256 GB) + € 239 Apple Care + € 45 case + € 35 screen protector = € 1638 = $ 1800. I will stay with my iPhone 6S for a while longer, meanwhile continuing to enjoy my headphone jack and 3D-Touch.

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That is a scratch in the coating.
 

Arndroid

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It is not sand that is the problems as people don’t wear the iPhone’s in the Apple Store in their pants constantly (probably security will come at you if you try it).

At the same time I have used my iPhone X for 2 years (no screen protector) and my screen looks way better than every 3 week iPhone 11 Pro I have seen in the Apple Store which has been under less abuse.

The demo models are not even used alot as the tables are always empty when I check it.

this is a horribly flawed analysis on how much wear and tear demo models go through. Even with them being tied down they face much more use and abuse than most regular phones. Nobody is being careful with them and lots of crack pots are trying to see if they can scratch them.
 
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wavesm

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A picture of the scratch.

Just to let everyone know that I went to the Apple Store where I bought my iphone and I got it replaced. I only mentioned I had Apple Care +; not sure this made a difference but they did not ask any other questions.

I did not have to use Apple Care hence did not pay anything; I just got the phone replaced.

I also mentioned other issues I had a bit of overheating and sharp metal edges in some places. They could see the phone was in perfect condition except the scratch/crack.

Concerned whether this will happen again (I decided to put a screen protector) but great reply from Apple.
 

TrueBlou

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Sep 16, 2014
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I’d never recommend making a decision based on show floor models in retailers, those are always likely to be used and abused far more than any you’d own yourself.

but for what it’s worth, my Pro Max, which I got 3 days after release iirc, is still scratch-free and that’s including a couple of drops (unavoidable for me) onto hard wooden floors and one unsuspecting, snoozing at my feet collie :D
 

austyn23

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Nov 22, 2017
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Has anyone tried this protectors? They are the only one’s I found that cover the whole screen (including the notch)

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they are generic brands, I bought the Spigen, is good but the notch cutted out looks awful
 

AbSoluTc

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Sep 21, 2008
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the whole point is it shouldn’t look like crap. You shouldn’t have to put a screen protector on it and your letting Apple get away with charging 1k and promises of strongest glass on a smartphone by campaigning for screen protectors. Instead of them fix the issue you want to take it on your own. This is the worst screen issues I’ve had.

You don’t. iPhone XS Max here. Bought launch day. No issues. Goes in my pocket (pants), shirt pocket, face down on my car seat, etc. not a scratch. Perhaps you should stop using yours as a sanding block? Both your photos are clear signs of abuse. Especially the photo of all the scratches. Clearly that screen came in contact with something it shouldn’t have.

Clearly your problems could be resolved with a $5 glass screen protector. Might want to invest in one since you seem to be a bit clumsy with your devices. ?
 

Jong875

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You don’t. iPhone XS Max here. Bought launch day. No issues. Goes in my pocket (pants), shirt pocket, face down on my car seat, etc. not a scratch. Perhaps you should stop using yours as a sanding block? Both your photos are clear signs of abuse. Especially the photo of all the scratches. Clearly that screen came in contact with something it shouldn’t have.

Clearly your problems could be resolved with a $5 glass screen protector. Might want to invest in one since you seem to be a bit clumsy with your devices. ?
Or you can just read this thread and see ppl are having issues.
 

LBM4

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These new iPhone are 100% flawed.

I have compared over 8 iPhone 11 Pro’s in the Apple store which are less than 3 weeks old, yet the screens look far worse than my 2 year old iPhone X.

And my iPhone X has much higher abuse over 2 years as I use it in my pockets while the demo iPhones don’t ino pockets over a peroid of only 3 weeks.

There are over 1000+ users on the Apple forum who have this issue and there are many news articles about this topic, so I believe it now based on what I am seeing in comparison to my 2 year old iPhone X.
You are comparing demo phones at an Apple store that are abused daily by hundreds to thousands of people, including 5 year olds that just love to bounce them off the table? Sounds legit.
 
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thyta77

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We have bought iphone 4s, 5, 6, 7 Plus, 8 Plus, iphone X. We never use any phone screen protector and we never have any scratches issue when putting them in my jean pockets or my wife purses/handbags.
We bought Iphone 11 Pro Max and my wife put in the hand bags just couple days and suddenly we got many scratches on the top right of the phone. At first I thought it was a key or the kids did it until I searched and found this thread. We are really really unhappy about this as we paid 1300 and it is not acceptable as the cheap touch screen phone with couple hundred dollars would have better scratch resistant. I suggest my wife bring it to Apple store even thought other claimed Apple did nothing about it for now unless you have Apple care or pay 330 for new screen. I am going to file complaint to others about this so hopefully Apple would take care loyal customers like us.
 

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Shadowbech

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Just picked up a pro max for my wife from the apple store today and immediately upon unboxing it and removing the film, there are already some scratches clearly visible before its first boot. This is definitely going back, very unacceptable.
 
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Pug72

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We have bought iphone 4s, 5, 6, 7 Plus, 8 Plus, iphone X. We never use any phone screen protector and we never have any scratches issue when putting them in my jean pockets or my wife purses/handbags.
We bought Iphone 11 Pro Max and my wife put in the hand bags just couple days and suddenly we got many scratches on the top right of the phone. At first I thought it was a key or the kids did it until I searched and found this thread. We are really really unhappy about this as we paid 1300 and it is not acceptable as the cheap touch screen phone with couple hundred dollars would have better scratch resistant. I suggest my wife bring it to Apple store even thought other claimed Apple did nothing about it for now unless you have Apple care or pay 330 for new screen. I am going to file complaint to others about this so hopefully Apple would take care loyal customers like us.

Does your wife wear earrings? Diamonds especially would do that, sharp edged metal probs would too.
 

faeforunicorn

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Oct 14, 2019
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I looked at several iPhone 11 Pro today in two shops (Premium resellers), and many of the iPhones I looked at had at least some small scratches. At first I thought the cover plastic is still on but they were the legit original iPhone 11 Pros. Scratches were very superficial, not deep, but definitely noticeable. Some look similar to just grease, but they are definitely permanent scratches. Staff was busy, so I just left, but a google search revealed that this might be an issue. Your experiences?

I bought my phone without using any screen protector for a week. Later on, when I went to install one, a wee scratch on top near the speaker was there (almost exactly like in the photo with appointed arrow). Luckily after putting on the screen protector, it’s now concealed. But yeah, my experience it’s prone to easily scratch. And so was my friend’s.
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DaveOP

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Does your wife wear earrings? Diamonds especially would do that, sharp edged metal probs would too.
This looks like the right answer based on the photos. My wife wears diamond earrings and has almost the same scratches on the same spot. We put screen protectors on from day 1, so it saved the glass. Last year, she had some on the phone itself from them.
 
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Mescagnus

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The "toughest glass on any phone" (Apple's words) scratches very easily from normal use compared to the eight iPhone models (from iPhone 4 to iPhone X) I have owned before. Year (or more) of ownership of each. Careful, normal handling. No screen protectors. No scratches on the screen. Same careful handling of iPhone 11 Pro: scratches within a week.
 
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Vlad Soare

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The "toughest glass on any phone" (Apple's words) scratches very easily from normal use
Are you sure it's the glass that scratches easily, and not the oleophobic coating?
Secondly, what good would an exchange do? The new screen will scratch within a week, too, won't it? So unless you want Apple to give you a new screen every week, you might as well just enjoy using the phone as it is.
 
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UBS28

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Just buy the Apple Leather Folio case. The problem is solved then.

I wear the iPhone 11 Pro Max for almost 2 months in my pockets (also jeans) and the screen is still flawless with this case.
 
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