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IPhone 3G and 3GS coming to Orange UK
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That's ok, O2 will still be selling the iPhone so you can stick them.
Orange's 3G network is better than O2's according to Ofcom so people who live in areas where O2's coverage is useless now have another option.
Choice is good.
Whilst I appreciate that we don't know yet do people think that I will be able to stick an Orange PAYG SIM in an existing O2 iPhone 3G without jailbraking it?
in one word..... no at present all UK iPhones are locked to O2 you would need to jailbreak and unlock the iPhone
how do I know? because I have a o2 3G and an orange SIM
You'll need to unlock it to use an Orange SIM. Jailbreaking isn't the same as unlocking.
Or, reading between the lines - "Please don't leave!"
Sure, but my understanding was that I couldn't unlock it without jailbreaking first. Unless O2 will unlock it after my initial 18 month contract is up...
I want O2 to unlock mine so I can then use whatever network I want. Good times!
Exactly my thoughts.
02 were quite happy until recently - market leader and because of their iPhone exclusivity. They lost both recently.
Took a big hit. A very big one.
I was with T-Mobile in Edinburgh until August and their signal's still awesome.
Anyway, I'm excited. Hopefully Orange'll have enough freedom to do something about the insane handset prices and dodgy contracts. (STILL £350 for a payg 3G over a year later) It's kind of depressing when friends ask me about my phone but hardly anybody can afford one/I think the prices are a rip off
My opinion on the iPhone is that it's a device that you definitely get what you pay for.
I bought the 3G on PAYG for £342.50 last week and that price to me is value for money considering the fact an 8GB iPod touch is £149 and the phone itself comes with 12 months free web browsing, a desktop quality web browser, and the iPod touch built in.
People who bitch to iPhone owners about the price are, in my experience, jealous. If they could afford one they wouldn't complain about prices or tariffs. The rate is there, either pay it or don't.
There are too many people out there, and this is a Scottish/British thing, who want the iPhone for buttons, as if it should be priced similar to some 3 year old Nokia PAYG from Argos.
True - the software unlock solutions require that you jailbreak the iPhone first.
It remains to be seen whether or not O2 will start to offer unlocks for the iPhone (they currently don't) - I wouldn't hold my breath though! What could start to happen though is for Apple to start offering unlocked handsets for sale from their website (this happens in at least some of the other countries where there are multi-carrier deals) - though of course that won't help owners of existing O2 iPhones.
I really really hope that the competition drops the tariffs and the phone costs as the current pricing is rediculous.
I have a Iphone 3G and went to upgrade to 3Gs and they want to charge an additonal £200 (ish) on a 18 month contract. O2 said that it's because they can't subsidise the phone. However top end Nokia/samsung/htc they can subsidise............ BULL
Worst thing is I can't go back to Orange because the signal is non existant in my home and surrounding area. I missed so many important phonecalls it was worse than the customer service.
RANT OVER
I'm all up for competition... lets see the war commence
I have a Iphone 3G and went to upgrade to 3Gs and they want to charge an additonal £200 (ish) on a 18 month contract. O2 said that it's because they can't subsidise the phone. However top end Nokia/samsung/htc they can subsidise............ BULL
Worst thing is I can't go back to Orange because the signal is non existant in my home and surrounding area. I missed so many important phonecalls it was worse than the customer service.
RANT OVER
I'm all up for competition... lets see the war commence
I've been with both Orange and O2 (my iPhone is factory unlocked from Singapore), and I prefer O2 customer service. I didn't think it was possible to have problems getting out of a sim only 30-day rolling contract, but managed to be hassled by Orange over leaving fees. They didn't honour the 500MB web usage for £5 on their website either, saying it was a mistake, they couldn't add it after I already joined.
I guess you can have problems with any network. But I've had better experience with O2.
I guess you can have problems with any network. But I've had better experience with O2.
I dont agree at all that people who complain about the price of iPhones simply do because they can't afford them why do all threads about anything to do with iPhones always drop to those who think they are 'richer' than others?
The fact remains the iPhone **is** expensive. Whether it is *value* for money is a completely different question therefore you can both afford an iPhone and still have problems with how much it costs.
This announcement can only be a good thing for the market as the O2 contracts aren't very flexible, if anything the P&G is probably the best value, including the prepaid phone! (as stated above quite rightly )
competition is always good and if this is reflected in better contracts/discounts for the end user then who is to complain?
finally, this will surely see the iPhone going to all carriers in the near future
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why do all threads about anything to do with iPhones always drop to those who think they are 'richer' than others?The fact remains the iPhone **is** expensive. Whether it is *value* for money is a completely different question therefore you can both afford an iPhone and still have problems with how much it costs.
This announcement can only be a good thing for the market as the O2 contracts aren't very flexible, if anything the P&G is probably the best value, including the prepaid phone! (as stated above quite rightly
)competition is always good and if this is reflected in better contracts/discounts for the end user then who is to complain?
finally, this will surely see the iPhone going to all carriers in the near future
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Bad news for O2, good news for the consumer.
Given Orange's impending ~37% share of the UK market this can only be thought of as a smart move for Apple.
Would I actually switch, though? No, because down here Orange coverage is even worse than O2 coverage. The only benefit I can hope for is more competitive tariffs. And, of course, I can now threaten to leave when my contract is up in order to secure better renewal deals.
Given Orange's impending ~37% share of the UK market this can only be thought of as a smart move for Apple.
Would I actually switch, though? No, because down here Orange coverage is even worse than O2 coverage. The only benefit I can hope for is more competitive tariffs. And, of course, I can now threaten to leave when my contract is up in order to secure better renewal deals.
I dont agree at all that people who complain about the price of iPhones simply do because they can't afford them
It's not about saying you're richer than someone else, it's about listening to someone who's got a 3 year old Nokia bitch about the iPhone because for £20 a month they get more minutes and texts, but don't seem to realise they're not even using a Smartphone.
The majority of people who want an iPhone but bitch about the price do so because for some twisted logic only they can fathom, they think the tariff and cost of the handset itself should be in line with a Nokia or Samsung you can pick up in Tesco, Asda, or Argos.
I've been in the local Tesco with a mate who points at a Samsung with a 3mp camera and says, "That's better than the iPhone's camera and is only £49 ... and it's got a micro SD slot for upgradable memory". All these people see is "phone", they don't think about the multi touch interface, the iPod touch features, the "real" internet in your pocket, etc.
There's no educating people who simply aren't technically minded.
I agree that people often grossly underestimate the capabilities of the iPhone, personally I feel that it is the probably going to be the defining piece of technology of the last 20 years.
My point really centers around people's miss-use of these forums to gloat about their perceived wealth (although this isn't directed to you ) but merely that your comment leaves it open for these people to chime in.
I also agree though with your Tesco comment which is why I do all my shopping on-line!
My point really centers around people's miss-use of these forums to gloat about their perceived wealth (although this isn't directed to you
) but merely that your comment leaves it open for these people to chime in.I also agree though with your Tesco comment which is why I do all my shopping on-line!
I agree that people often grossly underestimate the capabilities of the iPhone, personally I feel that it is the probably going to be the defining piece of technology of the last 20 years.
My point really centers around people's miss-use of these forums to gloat about their perceived wealth (although this isn't directed to you
I also agree though with your Tesco comment which is why I do all my shopping on-line!
Yeah, I appreciate that part of your post greatly.
I saved up for 3 months to pay for my iPhone, so I'm by no means rich!
As you said yourself, and it hit the nail on the head, a lot of people underestimate just how much the iPhone can do. Yes, it's a phone at the end of the day, but to me it's more like a tiny little pocket computer that lets me keep in touch with all my family and friends via any electronic means possible, surf the internet while commuting to work, listen to music, watch a movie or television show, play a game (and Need For Speed Undercover is unbelievable quality), etc.
At the end of the day though, if someone only see's the "phone" part of iPhone and compares it to other, far cheaper, non-Smartphones on PAYG on the basis of it being a phone alone, then there's nothing we can do.
I just need to stock up on earplugs for when my mate gets going again.
My friends don't bitch about the prices, they mostly just don't buy one. I personally do think the prices aren't great (which is - partly - why I bought a 2nd hand iPhone, unlocked it and use it on better value 30 day contracts).
What's included in the contracts has been a bit rubbish since the beginning even when you factor in things like subsidy and unlimited data. I mean, 500 texts? Really? But what really stops me recommending the phone is the payg 3G price. They've been charging that same price for the same phone for over a year now. That to me is really just taking the mick out of your customers.
The fact remains the iPhone **is** expensive. Whether it is *value* for money is a completely different question therefore you can both afford an iPhone and still have problems with how much it costs.
This is my problem. If they had truly kept the 3G as a low cost option and had dropped the price by even a hundred quid or so it would look so much better.
At the end of the day though, if someone only see's the "phone" part of iPhone and compares it to other, far cheaper, non-Smartphones on PAYG on the basis of it being a phone alone, then there's nothing we can do.
I just need to stock up on earplugs for when my mate gets going again.
The phone part of it although great is probably what I use the least! The App Store, 3G connectivity and itunes integration have completely changed how I interact with the 'cloud'
It's not so much thats it's better than other phones, it's simply no other phone comes close to the complete experience. iPhone OS 2.x was/is still ahead of most other phone's software, 3.x has simply blew them away ... again!
The iPhone remains the purest and most distilled product in the whole Apple line up and perfectly sums up the brand ethos and identity.
If I am being honest though I do always enjoy being at the head of the curve, I was one of the first people I knew with a Mac, day 1 iPhone user, v.early iPod adopter and there is something nice about being part of a group of very conscious technogeeks! But when you look at the alternatives I will happily be part of the majority, if this is what the majority will be like!
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If orange has the best 3G network then I can see them doing quite well with the iPhone.
I doubt this will make much difference for me because I intend on buying an iPhone on PAYG, so the price isn't going to be much different and O2 has the best deals for me (best coverage, unlimited any network texts for £10 - yes please!)
I doubt this will make much difference for me because I intend on buying an iPhone on PAYG, so the price isn't going to be much different and O2 has the best deals for me (best coverage, unlimited any network texts for £10 - yes please!)