If my phone had 10MP I still wouldn't use it as a camera, a tiny little glass window with no optics. Its not just MP which maketh a good camera. Just seems people are desperate to believe anything at the moment. I'm sure apple would know that would be found but I don't think its the whole story. I would eat my hat if that tacky black iphone was the next one. Everyone get a grip.
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Yeah, my Sony Ericsson V800 had the ability to video call and take videos and that was 3 years ago. Haha. However, it's not something I would consider using a lot. I suppose a 3G update with a better battery, and a better camera (better lens and 5MP) would be nice.
youd be amazed at how well camera phones are doing in the uk - many people that take new contracts want 5mp camera or 3.2 at a minimum so when the iphone was released with a 2 it was a step in the wrong direction for apple. it would be amazin if the iphone had a 5mp camera !!!! so many competitors eg nokia n96 is due out soon, sony ericsson cybershot phones is now on 5mp too, samsung handsets are on 5mp also, lg also have the 5mp plus touchscreen though it sucks, apple would be ahead of the game if they implemented it, what with touchscreen and usability of the interent on it and other factors be amazin gadget
Megapixels are meaningless, it's the size of the image sensor compared to those megapixels that matter. I haven't seen the size of sensor the IPhone uses, if it even has a dedicated sensor but I image it's smaller than those of todays digital point and shoots let alone those of SLR's. If people want their Iphones to be capable of allowing users to take pictures like those of P&S's, they need to ask Apple to put a larger sensor and better optics on it.
I don't see that happening anytime soon, so a 5MP camera will be a waste of memory.
I don't see that happening anytime soon, so a 5MP camera will be a waste of memory.
If you don't do anything else, click on this s-GOLD3H document and read it. It reads like an iPhone Apple compatible wishlist.
PMB8878_S-GOLD3H.pdf
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use command strings against the image/file, all strings will be displayed.
What would be interesting would be to also run it against the previous betas to see if it is new or it it was there before.
I don't have a copy so I can not.
Looks like a debugger or a hex editor, still the command "strings" is simpler to look for ASCII data in an executable or library. Run it if you have an image, I don't have one.
One items ... Some have alluded that it may not be the SGOLD3H chip that it maybe the plainer SGOLD3 chip. Unless there is a significant cost saving and assuming that both are pin compatible, I do not see Apple not using the SGOLD3H and loosing on the higher thruput. Maybe I am wrong, but I think Apple would use the H part.
As to the camera .... The additional resolution would be nice, but you still have three other issues that will make a big difference in the quality of the images: Aperture, Quality of the lens, size of the sensor. It is not just how many dots are there in the sensor.
sounds great but if the camera goes up to 5mb and there is availability of video recording then the memory would have to increase to cover these much hungrier applications.
Im not at all bothered about the camera as i would never use it to take proper pictures ie holiday snaps/parties/weddings etc. The lense and software of a dedicated digital camera is a million times better than any phone camera.
Im not at all bothered about the camera as i would never use it to take proper pictures ie holiday snaps/parties/weddings etc. The lense and software of a dedicated digital camera is a million times better than any phone camera.
I disagree. My N75, which also has a two mp camera, takes much better pictures than the iphone. The thing is, they are still ****** photos... No matter, I really hope Apple has the plans to better the flaws of the current iphone's camera, whether it be to bump up the mp, or just to increase the quality of everything that's already in there. OR BOTH!
There is an old saying when photographers start to discuss which camera is the best: The one you have on you when you need to take the picture.
I beg to differ. We're still missing decent optics and a flash. While point and shoots are not great they easily outpace the iphone. Megapixels don't matter if you have a poorly lit blurry picture.
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There was a prediction a week or so ago about a front camera for that sort of thing. Most here felt the source unreliable but I think it may definitely be possible and I agree that it will be a really nice feature.
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There was a prediction a week or so ago about a front camera for that sort of thing. Most here felt the source unreliable but I think it may definitely be possible and I agree that it will be a really nice feature.
Exactly. I don't know why people are asking Apple to defy the laws of physics here—the lens is the most important element.
Cameras are a light-gathering device. The less light you have to work with, the more the sensor and software have to crank up the gain (think volume) to try and compensate, which usually ends up with a pretty low signal to noise ratio. Until Apple uses a bigger lens and better glass, the iPhone's camera is going to be crap no matter how many megapixels it has.
What a surprise
NOT!
We already know that GSM is not available in Japan but UMTS and CDMA2000 are.
We already know that the iPhone for Asia was announced for 2008Q2.
We already know that GSM and/or UMTS (w/ HSPA) are available worldside while CDMA/CDMA2000 (w/ EV-DO) are not.
We already know that the current iPhone uses the S-GOLD2.
We already know that nearly all better UMTS phones have a camera for video calls.
The information that iPhone2 will probably use the S-GOLD3 well, it says nothing about the iPhone2 that was not clear from the facts stated above.
We already know that GSM is not available in Japan but UMTS and CDMA2000 are.
We already know that the iPhone for Asia was announced for 2008Q2.
We already know that GSM and/or UMTS (w/ HSPA) are available worldside while CDMA/CDMA2000 (w/ EV-DO) are not.
We already know that the current iPhone uses the S-GOLD2.
We already know that nearly all better UMTS phones have a camera for video calls.
The information that iPhone2 will probably use the S-GOLD3 well, it says nothing about the iPhone2 that was not clear from the facts stated above.
5Mpixel != 5Mpixel != 5Mpixel
You beat me to it.. I about puked when I saw the "megapixel myth" rearing it's ugly head. What people need to know, as you said, is that the amount of pixels is almost meaningless as a reference for picture quality in modern cameras.
Unfortunately, the primary components/specifications that do affect the picture quality, such as the CCD/CMOS sensor size, sensor quality/architecture, imaging processing circuitry, and firmware are not usually advertised on the box, but they can be found for a certain camera model if you google.
Case in point: an 8-megapixel point-and-shoot camera would be lucky to have a sensor with an area 1/10 of an 8-megapixel Digital SLR. Similarly, an 8-megapixel cellphone's sensor would probably be 1/4th or 1/8th the size of the point-and-shoot.
(side note: If you want to see a great article about this, see http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=sensor+sizes )
The tiny sensor sizes in these cellphones
are adequate (for some people) for quick snapshots in bright daylight, but they all but fall apart in anything but perfect light because their light capture surface area is so small they can't capture sufficient light. This results in major NOISE, poor color reproduction, and many a blurry photo because the sensor has to increase the exposure time to get enough light. Now of course, in addition to this, the image processing chip and firmware in a phone camera is much less robust.
So how are you supposed to know how any camera will perform? Most important thing is to read the reviews and not listen to all the marketing-speak.
You beat me to it.. I about puked when I saw the "megapixel myth" rearing it's ugly head. What people need to know, as you said, is that the amount of pixels is almost meaningless as a reference for picture quality in modern cameras.
Unfortunately, the primary components/specifications that do affect the picture quality, such as the CCD/CMOS sensor size, sensor quality/architecture, imaging processing circuitry, and firmware are not usually advertised on the box, but they can be found for a certain camera model if you google.
Case in point: an 8-megapixel point-and-shoot camera would be lucky to have a sensor with an area 1/10 of an 8-megapixel Digital SLR. Similarly, an 8-megapixel cellphone's sensor would probably be 1/4th or 1/8th the size of the point-and-shoot.
(side note: If you want to see a great article about this, see http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=sensor+sizes )
The tiny sensor sizes in these cellphones
are adequate (for some people) for quick snapshots in bright daylight, but they all but fall apart in anything but perfect light because their light capture surface area is so small they can't capture sufficient light. This results in major NOISE, poor color reproduction, and many a blurry photo because the sensor has to increase the exposure time to get enough light. Now of course, in addition to this, the image processing chip and firmware in a phone camera is much less robust.
So how are you supposed to know how any camera will perform? Most important thing is to read the reviews and not listen to all the marketing-speak.
The iPhone's camera doesn't have to produce pictures that are comparable to a dedicated digital camera with the same pixel density. It only has to produce photo's that are decent enough for an average consumer not to purchase a new camera in order to replace an existing one. No one is going to buy an iPhone to replace a camera, but should the iPhone's camera improve there will be those who won't buy a camera at all and remain satisfied with what comes on their iPhone. That situation, whether it is caused by Apple or some other cell phone maker, is a problem for camera manufacturers.
Apple has a gap in its product line when it comes to something that integrates with iLife apps like iPhoto and iMovie. And the iPhone comes with a lot of resident memory that is appetizing for these apps. Given Apple's pioneering this market with its Quicktake cameras in the early 90's it isn't surprising that this sort of speculation is occurring.
Apple has a gap in its product line when it comes to something that integrates with iLife apps like iPhoto and iMovie. And the iPhone comes with a lot of resident memory that is appetizing for these apps. Given Apple's pioneering this market with its Quicktake cameras in the early 90's it isn't surprising that this sort of speculation is occurring.
That's me! I need a new digital camera but I am not going to get one. My iPhone 2.0 will be my new digital camera and I will have my camera with me everywhere I go
SGOLD3g is the code name for the next iphone, S-GOLD=SOLID-GOLD, and by solid i mean solid, no breathing room whatsoever, this is why theres no stylus because if there was it couldnt be solid, could it. its phone ipod and paperweight all built into one. you can even check the stock value of gold and watch your phone become more/less valuable.
so new harware in iphone is:
1. 3G
2. OLED !!!!! (http://www.cdtltd.co.uk/press/current_press_releases/602.asp)
3. bluetooth stereo headset.
4. stereo speakers.
5. 5MP Camera.
6. NO GPS
7. 16 and 32 GB (Thanks to OLED)
8. Good battery life, perhaps a bigger battery (again thx to OLED)
1. 3G
2. OLED !!!!! (http://www.cdtltd.co.uk/press/current_press_releases/602.asp)
3. bluetooth stereo headset.
4. stereo speakers.
5. 5MP Camera.
6. NO GPS
7. 16 and 32 GB (Thanks to OLED)
8. Good battery life, perhaps a bigger battery (again thx to OLED)
so new harware in iphone is:
1. 3G
2. OLED !!!!! (http://www.cdtltd.co.uk/press/current_press_releases/602.asp)
3. bluetooth stereo headset.
4. stereo speakers.
5. 5MP Camera.
6. NO GPS
7. 16 and 32 GB (Thanks to OLED)
8. Good battery life, perhaps a bigger battery (again thx to OLED)
Well, other than the lack of GPS, I like your specs. But with or without GPS, come June I will own my first iPhone.
