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If you have 6 months left on your iPhone 3G contract SIM with your current number, could you defer doing this for 6 months?

I thought you could change the MAC addressses - doesn't this happen if you get a refurb - you just call them up and they'll reset the info on the MAC you're using, and in an hour, you're good to go.

If so - if someone has 6 months left, doesn't it make sense to either wait 6 months to acticate the 12 months unlimited wifi (checking te contract, there might be a time sensitive clause in their), or just use the iPhone 3GS SIM to activate it, then just move over in 6 months (meaning that you can have the old iPhone 3G with wifi, if you keep the handset) ?
Not completely sure about this one.

Certainly when I got a replacement 3G iPhone under warranty I was able to register it as a replacement for wi-fi purposes, but I'm not sure what happens with an iPhone that has been registered for wi-fi under the terms of a contract and then becomes a 'PAYG' when the contract (and the wi-fi) expires.

My guess is that you probably would be able to use the PAYG sim card number to register for 12 months free wi-fi, and that the sim card packages are not subject to critical time constraints.
 
Just incase this is of value to anyone...

I went to the Apple Store in Solihull today and they do not have a confirmed time for opening on Friday (despite an official poster saying iPhone 3G3 available 8am)... they also told me more than once that this launch was not "as big of a deal" as the 3G and they weren't expecting to sell out.
 
If you have 6 months left on your iPhone 3G contract SIM with your current number, could you defer doing this for 6 months?

.......if someone has 6 months left, doesn't it make sense to either wait 6 months to activate the 12 months unlimited wifi (checking the contract, there might be a time sensitive clause .......

I've just had a look at an iPhone 3G PAYG simcard pack that I got back in December 2008 and there is a time limit stipulated on the back of the card that the sim comes attached to, but it's a very generous one. It says 'Must be activated by Feb2010'.

That's good news! :)
 
I've just had a look at an iPhone 3G PAYG simcard pack that I got back in December 2008 and there is a time limit stipulated on the back of the card that the sim comes attached to, but it's a very generous one. It says 'Must be activated by Feb2010'.

That's good news! :)

That's the sim expiry. When you get the sim you have to top it up, which activates the sim there and then. So unfortunately it's not possible to 'defer' activation.
 
That's the sim expiry. When you get the sim you have to top it up, which activates the sim there and then. So unfortunately it's not possible to 'defer' activation.

I suppose it is the sim expiry in the sense that you cannot activate it after Feb2010.

I agree that when you apply credit (top it up) for the first time it activates the sim so in that case you cannot defer activation, but are you sure that you have to top it up at the time you get it?

I think different vendors may apply different rules.

What if you were to tell the shop that you were buying it as a gift for someone else and didn't want it activated there and then?
 
I suppose it is the sim expiry in the sense that you cannot activate it after Feb2010.

I agree that when you apply credit (top it up) for the first time it activates the sim so in that case you cannot defer activation, but are you sure that you have to top it up at the time you get it?

I think different vendors may apply different rules.

What if you were to tell the shop that you were buying it as a gift for someone else and didn't want it activated there and then?

I'm 100% the store is supposed to top up the 'iPhone sim' - whether or not a shop bends the rules, and process's a top up for another phone is a different matter. Either way, 100%, a phone has to be topped up (and it's supposed to be the iPhone sim). Hope that helps.

Agent-W
 
Because it's faster than 3G, and quite often you will find that far from being able to get a 3G signal you'll only get GPRS which is painfully slow (like the old dial-up internet).

i dont like the sound of that....
sounds like internet will be crap on iphone....
ive always said....for my internet use i prefer to use laptop or proper comupter....

so when im at home......it would be faster to pick up my wi fi router connection on iphone?

this sucks then.....
 
i dont like the sound of that....
sounds like internet will be crap on iphone....
ive always said....for my internet use i prefer to use laptop or proper comupter....

so when im at home......it would be faster to pick up my wi fi router connection on iphone?

this sucks then.....
There is a lot more to WiFi on the iPhone than browsing the web. I use it all the time, even though my 24" iMac is only a few feet away...
 
Just incase this is of value to anyone...

I went to the Apple Store in Solihull today and they do not have a confirmed time for opening on Friday (despite an official poster saying iPhone 3G3 available 8am)... they also told me more than once that this launch was not "as big of a deal" as the 3G and they weren't expecting to sell out.

Are they selling contract phones there in or just Pay as You Go?
 
i dont like the sound of that....
sounds like internet will be crap on iphone....
ive always said....for my internet use i prefer to use laptop or proper comupter....

so when im at home......it would be faster to pick up my wi fi router connection on iphone?

this sucks then.....

I don't really understand you.

The iPhone is a brilliant piece of kit that few people regret buying. Many become obsessed to the point of irritating the non-converted.

The internet on the iPhone is the best you'll get on a small mobile device/mobile phone so long as you can cope with a 3.5 inch screen.

So far as speed is concerned I would suggest the following (in ascending order):

1. GPRS - Poor but better than nothing.
2. EDGE - Very reasonable.
3. 3G - Good.
4. Wi-Fi - Excellent.
 
Reduced my tariff to simplicity today.

If everyone who got an iphone xmas 2007 did this they would notice
 
BUT WHY would anyone want to use wi fi.....? if internet is working fine and dandy with 3GS with a full unlimited data plan???

It's faster, it also (debatably) uses less battery to surf on wifi than on the cellular network.

I HAVE wi fi router at home.....but why would i want to use that on iphone to get on net......if i have an unlimited data plan?

I really dont care for wi fi...... id rather have fully working internet all the time via 3GS..........true?

Same as above - the wifi connection will be faster than 3G when you're at home, assuming you have a relatively fast broadband connection at home. Power benefits also apply. I find myself using my iPhone almost all the time at home for checking email, quickly looking things up on the web, Twitter etc.: it's just so much more convenient to pick up the phone, hit a button and see if you've got any mail rather than booting the laptop up etc. Trust me, you'll use the phone a lot more for internet stuff than you think!
 
There is a lot more to WiFi on the iPhone than browsing the web. I use it all the time, even though my 24" iMac is only a few feet away...

so what other use is wi-fi apart from browsing net?

oh i get it......wi fi is good and fast...when you can get it......but other than that.......3G is good too.....when youre on the streets......

i doubt ill use iphone instead of my macbook! but im open minded......lets seee.......how good this iphone internet malarky is.....
 
sorry im not getting a good answe for this....so please forgive me for re-posting it.....


Can someone help me decide on whether i want pay as you go or contract.
3G S model, preferably.

1) business or corportate deals (what are these?)
2) 16gb and 32gb difference is purerly hard drive space? nothing else?
If i dont plan to use iphone as music player/media player....16gb is more than enough right?
3) Do you HAVE to top up each month on Pay Go? like a tarriff?
4) 300 texts = £10-14...?!? why cant they give exact price?
5) So if you have pay as you go... you are not tied to a long contract? And can pack up and leave any time? And take PAC code too?
6) Their deals/plans dont mention MMS allowance.

7) If you take a picture on the iphone, can you send it to an email address? Or only via MMS message to another number?
My friend takes pics and sends them to my email adress directly from his iphone in usa.
If theres unlimited internet data usage..... we can just send pics to an email address, cant we? for free.... so no need for MMS....?

I think i would be happy with 100-150 mins....possibly less.
200-500 texts...possibly less....
25 MMS messages per month
If this is what i normally use..... should i be a contract iphone user or a pay as you go iphone user....?


sorry sorry sorry.
and thankyou thankyou thankyou for any help.


with 02...if i buy some texts....that means i can not buy any minutes?
can i buy texts and or minutes as and when i need them??????
 
Re-posting the same questions in identical terms is not likely to be helpful to anyone.

Several people have done their best to help you answer multiple questions but it doesn't seem to help.

I don't mean to be rude but perhaps the time has come when you should do some spadework and research for yourself. :)
 
Re-posting the same questions in identical terms is not likely to be helpful to anyone.

Several people have done their best to help you answer multiple questions but it doesn't seem to help.

I don't mean to be rude but perhaps the time has come when you should do some spadework and research for yourself. :)

yeah sorry...

reckon i could get all my q's answered if i go into carphone warehouse or an 02 shop??
 
they also told me more than once that this launch was not "as big of a deal" as the 3G and they weren't expecting to sell out.

Thats the biggest load of BS ever - they're wrong.

You don't have 'launches' because your low on inventory, and high on demand. Launches, in Apple's mind is related quite heavily to the wonderful term 'Marketing'.
 
Best place to buy?

So I've pretty much convinced myself to get the 32gig on PAYG, but as I've never purchased a phone on PAYG before this poses an interesting question:

Where will I receive the best customer service as a PAYG customer (bearing in mind that I will be swapping SIMS & riding out the rest of my 3G contract)?
o2 have always given me great customer service (ie replacing faulty screens etc) with no quibble. But how likely are they to help me out on a handset they are not receiving any subsidies on?

My experience of customer care at Apple stores has been a bit variable, so am concerned what would happen if something similar to the negative black issues arises with some of the 3GS.

Lastly does having o2 insurance on my 3G have any bearing on this? would like to have my insurance switch when I switch SIMs, ie seamlessly.
 
sorry im not getting a good answe for this....so please forgive me for re-posting it.....


Can someone help me decide on whether i want pay as you go or contract.
3G S model, preferably.

1) business or corportate deals (what are these?)
2) 16gb and 32gb difference is purerly hard drive space? nothing else?
If i dont plan to use iphone as music player/media player....16gb is more than enough right?
3) Do you HAVE to top up each month on Pay Go? like a tarriff?
4) 300 texts = £10-14...?!? why cant they give exact price?
5) So if you have pay as you go... you are not tied to a long contract? And can pack up and leave any time? And take PAC code too?
6) Their deals/plans dont mention MMS allowance.

7) If you take a picture on the iphone, can you send it to an email address? Or only via MMS message to another number?
My friend takes pics and sends them to my email adress directly from his iphone in usa.
If theres unlimited internet data usage..... we can just send pics to an email address, cant we? for free.... so no need for MMS....?

I think i would be happy with 100-150 mins....possibly less.
200-500 texts...possibly less....
25 MMS messages per month
If this is what i normally use..... should i be a contract iphone user or a pay as you go iphone user....?


sorry sorry sorry.
and thankyou thankyou thankyou for any help.


with 02...if i buy some texts....that means i can not buy any minutes?
can i buy texts and or minutes as and when i need them??????
1) As the name suggests, they are tariffs designed for businesses and not for regular customers.
2) Correct, the difference is purely the storage capacity - it sounds like 16GB would be fine for you.
3) No need to continue topping up on PAYG - only need to top up when your balance gets low.
4) There are lots of options for PAYG - probably best to go to an O2 or carphonewarehouse store to try and get them to explain them, but basically the different options give you different bonus bundled texts, mins etc. (on top of the balance that you top up).
5) Correct - no tie-in, leave whenever you like.
6) MMS details are shown on this page, but basically for contracts 1 MMS = 4 texts (or 24.47p out of bundle) and for PAYG 1 MMS = 3 texts (or 25p out of bundle).
7) Yes you can - in fact that is what the iPhone offered from the start and is why it didn't originally support MMS. Apple thought why would people want to spend money on MMS when they could email pictures for free - but people complained anyway and so Apple decided to introduce support for MMS in this new software version.

From the amount of texts and minutes you expect to use you would probably be looking at the £34.26 per month tariff if you went on contract (since the £29.38 one wouldn't give enough minutes and texts and you would end up spending more than £5 difference on the excess each month). That would be an upfront cost of £184.98 if you went for an 18 month contract, or £87.11 if you went for 24 months.

If you went PAYG instead then you would probably want the Text Anytime tariff as you seems to text more than you talk. This gives you bonus texts depending on how much you top up, so you would use up the bonus texts before they started coming out of your balance. 150 minutes per month on PAYG would probably end up costing in the region of £30, so if you topped up between £20 and £30 each month you would be getting either 500 or unlimited bonus messages, which would cover you for that side fo your usage. You don't get visual voicemail or tethering on PAYG though, so you couldn't use the iPhone as a mobile broadband modem for your laptop.

So on a month by month basis the contract and PAYG would be fairly similar, but when you factor in the upfront cost of the PAYG phone (£440) you would probably find the PAYG route would be much more expensive, even though it would offer more flexibility in terms of monthly cost and not being tied into a minimum term.

The third option would be to buy the phone on PAYG, but instead of using the PAYG SIM you could instead get a Simplicity tariff SIM to use instead. In that case the £19.58 tariff would suit you best and would also end up being slightly cheaper than a proper iPhone tariff over time, despite the higher upfront cost. The downside is that again you wouldn't get visual voicemail (and I expect tethering won't be allowed with it either - though I'm not sure about that), and also that tariff would only include unlimited mobile web (i.e. 3G, EDGE, GPRS etc.) - cloud/Bt openzone wifi would not be included like it is in the full iPhone contract tariffs and PAYG. You aren't tied in with Simplicity though (well only for the current month) so are free to leave anytime, just like PAYG.

So which one you choose depends on a few things:

Will you want to use your iPhone as a mobile broadband modem? If so get it on full iPhone contract with a tethering package.

Is inclusive wifi important? If so Simplicity won't be the most cost effective and you will be better off with full iPhone contract or PAYG.

Is upfront cost an issue? If not then PAYG phone + Simplicity tariff is likely the cheapest option.
 
Thanks to everyone in this thread for providing such good information. I've put it all together and think I've come up with a plan that suits me. Anyone care to validate it for me?

1. Buy 32Gb iPhone as PAYG for £538.30 from Apple.
2. Do not activate it but do note down phone number on sim
3. Sign up for a new sim on the O2 Simplicity tariff (600 mins / 1200 txts / unlimited data / no contract) for £20 per month.
4. Activate free wifi using BT/Cloud using phone number on original sim

So you get lots of free minutes and texts, unlimited data and wifi and no contract. Assuming another iPhone upgrade next summer, the total cost over 12 months is £778.30. Not too bad.

Or have I missed something crucial?
 
Thanks to everyone in this thread for providing such good information. I've put it all together and think I've come up with a plan that suits me. Anyone care to validate it for me?

1. Buy 32Gb iPhone as PAYG for £538.30 from Apple.
2. Do not activate it but do note down phone number on sim
3. Sign up for a new sim on the O2 Simplicity tariff (600 mins / 1200 txts / unlimited data / no contract) for £20 per month.
4. Activate free wifi using BT/Cloud using phone number on original sim

So you get lots of free minutes and texts, unlimited data and wifi and no contract. Assuming another iPhone upgrade next summer, the total cost over 12 months is £778.30. Not too bad.

Or have I missed something crucial?

Spot on! :)
 
Thanks to everyone in this thread for providing such good information. I've put it all together and think I've come up with a plan that suits me. Anyone care to validate it for me?

1. Buy 32Gb iPhone as PAYG for £538.30 from Apple.
2. Do not activate it but do note down phone number on sim
3. Sign up for a new sim on the O2 Simplicity tariff (600 mins / 1200 txts / unlimited data / no contract) for £20 per month.
4. Activate free wifi using BT/Cloud using phone number on original sim

So you get lots of free minutes and texts, unlimited data and wifi and no contract. Assuming another iPhone upgrade next summer, the total cost over 12 months is £778.30. Not too bad.

Or have I missed something crucial?

I would have considered the PayG 32gb but i dont have that amount to spare, i have to pay off my contract as it is & pay almost 100 to get the 32gb on the 2 year contract. At least this way i can get the phone when i want. I dont mind paying a little bit more to get it right now.

Next year i intend to be more organised financially wise & will buy the 2010 iphone if i fancy it & put my contract sim in it & give the Pay & go to my husband to use in 2009 iphone!!
 
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