Other iPhone 9 / SE 2 Delayed?

[TDDM]

Been waiting so long, seems like it's never going to come.... 😥

The good news is that they most likely won’t wait beyond June to launch it (hopefully). It’s coming with the A13, the longer they wait, the more that chip becomes outdated.

Also, there have been rumors that Apple is re-opening their stores in early/mid April, that seems like the perfect chance to launch the 9. Considering that they didn’t announce it today, my current best bet would be early/mid April.

 

[ThatiPhoneKid]

I wonder if they might release it today to steal Huawei’s spotlight.

 

[mag33]

Frankly, I'm kinda concerned that there is no SE2 at all. If there's no announcement by April 1.....I will be really disappointed. Delay the production but at least give us the announcement.

 

[Burebista]

Some “big news” are reportedly incoming

https://twitter.com/x/status/1243136351362580483

Maybe?

 

[TDDM]

This guy has a very solid track record of Apple leaks, he seems to think it’s possible for an April release.

 

[mag33]

End of march announcement, mid april release - in a perfect world

I hope.

 

[oVerboost]

Fingers crossed!

 

[HarryWild]

Anyone think we can expect an iPhone 9 within the next week?

Must wait for the 12s in September! Save up from now to September and cost be worth it!

 

[thadoggfather]

The excessive use of the toilet paper emoji in that tweet 100% confirmed it for me

It's on in Ap-ril-ple

 

[44267547]

With the silent release of the iPad Pro last week, it’s definitely likely to be the same maneuver with the iPhone 9 ‘online update’. I don’t really think Apple needs to hold a keynote for a phone like that anyways, as they can probably do some online virtual demo, similar to what Craig Federighi did with the iPad Pro trackpad.

 

[TDDM]

Not so great news:

If they weren’t comfortable enough yesterday to decide to launch it, I can’t imagine they’ll change their minds next week when things will absolutely be much worse.

 

[JPack]

Not so great news:
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If they weren’t comfortable enough yesterday to decide to launch it, I can’t imagine they’ll change their minds next week when things will absolutely be much worse.

My guess is, the bottleneck is with reverse logistics, carrier, and AppleCare. Manufacturing is clearly not a problem with the factories back to normal. But this is a low-cost iPhone and customers will need a lot of support.

 

[saber32au]

My guess is, the bottleneck is with reverse logistics, carrier, and AppleCare. Manufacturing is clearly not a problem with the factories back to normal. But this is a low-cost iPhone and customers will need a lot of support.

What makes you think a low cost phone requires more user support? The phone (reportedly) is an internal refresh of an older design, running same version of iOS...

 

[JPack]

What makes you think a low cost phone requires more user support? The phone (reportedly) is an internal refresh of an older design, running same version of iOS...

A low cost iPhone attracts a lot of Android users because it competes in the same market space. Switchers require more support.

When Apple launched the iPhone SE in 2016, the company reported many of the buyers were first time iPhone users. In other words, they came from Android. Or they came from feature ("dumb") phones - think Indian consumers. Either way, these consumers will need more support.

 

[saber32au]

A low cost iPhone attracts a lot of Android users because it competes in the same market space. Switchers require more support.

Disagree. Apple sell the 8 currently for just $50 more (compared to the reported price of the new iPhone). They’re already competing in that space

Or they came from feature ("dumb") phones - think Indian consumers.

This is a joke right?

 

[Edd70]

My guess is, the bottleneck is with reverse logistics, carrier, and AppleCare. Manufacturing is clearly not a problem with the factories back to normal. But this is a low-cost iPhone and customers will need a lot of support.

This hadn’t occurred to me. I’m struggling to come up with another reason. They’re making the phone and can sell it without the stores so what else could it be? May as well get on with it.

 

[compwiz1202]

Can't delay a product that was never officially announced.

An Apple product is never late. Nor is it early. It arrives precisely when Tim Apple means for it to.

Tim, you're a wizard!

 

[JPack]

Disagree. Apple sell the 8 currently for just $50 more (compared to the reported price of the new iPhone). They’re already competing in that space

The iPhone 8 is a 2.5 year old phone for $50 more. You underestimate how price sensitive customers are globally. The Xiaomi A3 sells for $160 and features a 6.1" OLED panel, triple rear camera, and in-display fingerprint sensor. That $50 is a world of difference.

This is a joke right?

Globally, about 400 million feature ("dumb") phones were shipped in 2019.

About 45% of the mobile phones shipped in 2019 in India were feature ("dumb") phones. That represents 130 million units.

I'm guessing you're completely unfamiliar with the numbers.

 

[saber32au]

The Xiaomi A3 sells for $160 and features a 6.1" OLED panel, triple rear camera, and in-display fingerprint sensor. That $50 is a world of difference.

Which further proves my point; why would a price sensitive customer purchase an internally refresh iPhone (based on a design harking back to 2014) who’s “paper specs” fall short in several areas, when they can purchase a sub $400 (and cheaper) phone from major players like Huawei, Xiaomi, and Samsung? Knocking $50 off the price isn’t going to draw in the masses like you believe!

That represents 130 million units.

Why do you think these “dumb phones” sell in the quantities they do? Might have something to do with price and how the much more expensive (think x3, if not far more) the refreshed iPhone will cost compared to these phones?

I'm guessing you're completely unfamiliar with the numbers.

I'm familiar with common sense. A “sub $400” may appear inexpensive in the US (and some other markets), but step outside those markets and you’ll find the refreshed sub US$399 iPhone sells for more (in some instances substantially more) in some countries, and will compete against a market saturated with android phones of varying price points which offer better paper specs and more affordable prices.

 

[mag33]

Which further proves my point; why would a price sensitive customer purchase an internally refresh iPhone (based on a design harking back to 2014) who’s “paper specs” fall short in several areas, when they can purchase a sub $400 (and cheaper) phone from major players like Huawei, Xiaomi, and Samsung? Knocking $50 off the price isn’t going to draw in the masses like you believe!

Of course it makes sense. Many people love Apple but don't necessarily have $1000 to spend on a phone. $399, however, they would gladly pay just to be able to use iOS. And a refresh also makes sense because it'll be more futureproof.

Xiaomi devices that arent "flagship" are not as great as they seem. They're cheap but their quality is awful and they slow down quickly.

And Apple always cares about quality, the first SE was fantastic even though only $399.

 

[MarkX]

Of course it makes sense. Many people love Apple but don't necessarily have $1000 to spend on a phone. $399, however, they would gladly pay just to be able to use iOS. And a refresh also makes sense because it'll be more futureproof.

Xiaomi devices that arent "flagship" are not as great as they seem. They're cheap but their quality is awful and they slow down quickly.

And Apple always cares about quality, the first SE was fantastic even though only $399.

Cheap Android phones are like cheap windows laptops, they work ok for a bit but they soon start stuttering and lagging.

I found that out when I bought my son his first smartphone a couple of years back. On paper it had “the spec” but that was it, you would tap an app to open and there would be a second or twos delay before anything happened. The user experience was poor.

Midrange Android phones are better these days but still not as fluid as a flagship one or any Apple device.

 

[StumpyBloke]

Which further proves my point; why would a price sensitive customer purchase an internally refresh iPhone (based on a design harking back to 2014) who’s “paper specs” fall short in several areas, when they can purchase a sub $400 (and cheaper) phone from major players like Huawei, Xiaomi, and Samsung...

One reason, ecosystem.

 

[saber32au]

Many people love Apple but don't necessarily have $1000 to spend on a phone. $399, however, they would gladly pay just to be able to use iOS. And a refresh also makes sense because it'll be more futureproof.

One reason, ecosystem.

Whilst I agree with both points (in my opinion they are valid reasons to upgrade, and is one of the reasons why I’m holding onto my current phone till the release of the new iPhone), it’s out of context and off topic my earlier point I was making to JPack (the new phone will attract switchers, which requires more support).


In my opinion, a $50 price cut on an internally refreshed phone isn’t going to attract the switchers which

will need a lot of support.

as stated by JPack.

 

[mag33]

I think the SE2 may attract current 6,6s,7 holders. Not so sure about 8 but maybe. And many people are waiting for an affordable Apple option to free themselves from Android. SE2 would give them just that.

 

[JPack]

Which further proves my point; why would a price sensitive customer purchase an internally refresh iPhone (based on a design harking back to 2014) who’s “paper specs” fall short in several areas, when they can purchase a sub $400 (and cheaper) phone from major players like Huawei, Xiaomi, and Samsung? Knocking $50 off the price isn’t going to draw in the masses like you believe!

Price sensitive doesn’t mean those customers are insensitive to branding. Apple has been the #1 global brand since 2013 based on Interbrand rankings.

Why do you think these “dumb phones” sell in the quantities they do? Might have something to do with price and how the much more expensive (think x3, if not far more) the refreshed iPhone will cost compared to these phones?

Besides device affordability, monthly costs for data are the other key consideration for users. As data costs drop in developing countries, more consumers will consider a smartphone.

Im familiar with common sense. A “sub $400” may appear inexpensive in the US (and some other markets), but step outside those markets and you’ll find the refreshed sub US$399 iPhone sells for more (in some instances substantially more) in some countries, and will compete against a market saturated with android phones of varying price points which offer better paper specs and more affordable prices.

That’s why Apple works with distributors in various countries to tweak pricing. The iPhone SE was regularly discounted to $260-$350 in India even though MSRP was $399.