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Other iPhone 9 / SE 2 Delayed?

Apple's biggest fear is that a new product is released...to the sound of silence and zero cash flow.
Total loss of hipster cool brand points....
It WILL be delayed.
 
SeattleMoose said:
Apple's biggest fear is that a new product is released...to the sound of silence and zero cash flow.
Total loss of hipster cool brand points....
It WILL be delayed.
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The iPhone 9 is already way past finalized in terms of specs and features, the longer they wait to release it, the less attractive it will be. I wouldn’t be surprised at all at a mid-April release, and I think the absolute latest they’d go would be WWDC (Unless Covid-19 gets bad enough to actually massively disrupt their product schedules). It would look really bad for them to release the 9 in September or something, given that the A13 would be a year old and the whole package would seem a little outdated.
 
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JPack said:
Price sensitive doesn’t mean those customers are insensitive to branding.
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That's true, and no one in this thread has stated otherwise.

JPack said:
Apple has been the #1 global brand since 2013 based on Interbrand rankings.
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Irrelevant. Acheiving a highly ranking on Interbrand (notwithstanding the fact that the list rates Samsung as the #6 brand, and is still the worlds most popular phone manufacture by sales volume, followed by Huawei) doesn't gaurentee you being able to sell a product at a particular price point.

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As data costs drop in developing countries, more consumers will consider a smartphone.
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Again relevance? You're drifting further and further off topic. You do appreciate that (in general) workers in a developing countries (generally) earn a low income, and many can't afford to spend the equivalent of $399USD on a phone?

JPack said:
That’s why Apple works with distributors in various countries to tweak pricing. The iPhone SE was regularly discounted to $260-$350 in India even though MSRP was $399.
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And yet Apple with all the discounting has between 1-3% market share (depending to which source you choose believe). Furthermore, there are no iPhones which make the top 10 most sold list in India.

Top 10 phones sold in India 2019:

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Top 10 Best Selling Smartphones In India In 2019 [Surprising Results!]

The latest smartphone shipment numbers are out and here we have the most sold smartphones in India for 2019. Xiaomi continues to top the list with a significant share but one company is growing like wildfire, Realme.Top 10 Best Selling Smartphones In
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If you look at the lists (top 10 models sold in India 2019), 7 of the top 10 cost less than ₹ 10,000 (under $130USD). The remaining 3 costs under ₹ 14,000. Even at your quoted cheapest price ($260USD = approx ₹ 19,000) it is still ₹ 5,000 (approx $66USD) dearer than the most expensive phone on the top 10 list! Do you genuinely believe a $399USD (approx ₹30,000) iPhone which costs more than 3 times the price 7 of the top 10 phones in India will attract the sales success which necessistates "a lot of support" like you claim?

Whilst I believe the new Iphone SE2/9 (or whatever it's called) will sell well in several markets (ie US, UK etc), I don't believe it'll attract a load of switchers which require "a lot of support". Guess we'll have to wait and see...
 
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saber32au said:
That's true, and no one in this thread has stated otherwise.



Irrelevant. Acheiving a highly ranking on Interbrand (notwithstanding the fact that the list rates Samsung as the #6 brand, and is still the worlds most popular phone manufacture by sales volume, followed by Huawei) doesn't gaurentee you being able to sell a product at a particular price point.



Again relevance? You're drifting further and further off topic. You do appreciate that (in general) workers in a developing countries (generally) earn a low income, and many can't afford to spend the equivalent of $399USD on a phone?



And yet Apple with all the discounting has between 1-3% market share (depending to which source you choose believe). Furthermore, there are no iPhones which make the top 10 most sold list in India.

Top 10 phones sold in India 2019:

trak.in

Top 10 Best Selling Smartphones In India In 2019 [Surprising Results!]

The latest smartphone shipment numbers are out and here we have the most sold smartphones in India for 2019. Xiaomi continues to top the list with a significant share but one company is growing like wildfire, Realme.Top 10 Best Selling Smartphones In
trak.in trak.in

If you look at the lists (top 10 models sold in India 2019), 7 of the top 10 cost less than ₹ 10,000 (under $130USD). The remaining 3 costs under ₹ 14,000. Even at your quoted cheapest price ($260USD = approx ₹ 19,000) it is still ₹ 5,000 (approx $66USD) dearer than the most expensive phone on the top 10 list! Do you genuinely believe a $399USD (approx ₹30,000) iPhone which costs more than 3 times the price 7 of the top 10 phones in India will attract the sales success which necessistates "a lot of support" like you claim?

Whilst I believe the new Iphone SE2/9 (or whatever it's called) will sell well in several markets (ie US, UK etc), I don't believe it'll attract a load of switchers which require "a lot of support". Guess we'll have to wait and see...
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Back in 2016, when the iPhone SE was launched, Apple CFO Luca Maestri literally said they saw a higher rate of “new to iPhone users.” There has also been data to support the fact that the device attracted more Android switchers. It’s not something you need to “believe” because it’s a fact.

https://9to5mac.com/2016/03/29/iphone-se-sales-data-android/
 
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SeattleMoose said:
Apple's biggest fear is that a new product is released...to the sound of silence and zero cash flow.
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They’re worth over 1 trillion, Believe me, Apple has already run the projected numbers that they realize they won’t Reach for the fiscal year. There’s nothing they can do to change that, it’s a matter of releasing the product on the market when the time is ready, and see how consumers respond given the price point. Eventually, the market will rebound, but the first 6-7 months in 2020 is not promising for any tech manufacture, let alone the early signs of a recession.
 
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I'm waiting patiently...

Up until recently I was a part-time dumb phone / part-time second-hand iPhone5 user; now I'm a second-hand iPhone6 user - and the difference between the 5 and the 6 has blown me away! (I know right - I'm usually years behind everyone else). So I'm curious to know, given the total and pleasurable functionality of the 6, how much better would the 9 experience be (which I guess would equate to the current 11 experience)?
 
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Relentless Power said:
They’re worth over 1 trillion, Believe me, Apple has already run the projected numbers that they realize they won’t Reach for the fiscal year. There’s nothing they can do to change that, it’s a matter of releasing the product on the market when the time is ready, and see how consumers respond given the price point. Eventually, the market will rebound, but the first 6-7 months in 2020 is not promising for any tech manufacture, let alone the early signs of a recession.
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I don’t know about the USA but here in the UK I would say the recession is already here!
 
JPack said:
It’s not something you need to “believe” because it’s a fact.
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Ah I see! You quote a 4 year old article, and sight it as proof that the predicted 2020 release will cause the same effect. Do you have any proof that Apple (in 2016) had to put on extra staff to accommodate the flood of new:

JPack said:
customers will need a lot of support
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SeattleMoose said:
Apple's biggest fear is that a new product is released...to the sound of silence and zero cash flow.
Total loss of hipster cool brand points....
It WILL be delayed.
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Delaying it doesnt make sense. It will only make it more unappealing to the potential customer as the A13-chip will get older and so will the design.
 
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SeattleMoose said:
Apple's biggest fear is that a new product is released...to the sound of silence and zero cash flow.
Total loss of hipster cool brand points....
It WILL be delayed.
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I appreciate your point of view, but I think Apple is way too slow in releasing this iPhone. I think that - with all the economic implications this pandemic will bring - a "cheap" iPhone 9 will save them the year 2020.
 
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mag33 said:
So ben geskin wrote that the base version will cost $449 rather than $399.....
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Where are you seeing this? That would put the 9+ at $550, that seems a little to close to the 11 at $700.

borntrouble said:
I think that - with all the economic implications this pandemic will bring - a "cheap" iPhone 9 will save them the year 2020.
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Considering it’s relatively cheap and has no new features that would take a keynote to explain, the 9 *does* seem like a good product to just drop in April like they did with the new iPad.
 
Ben Geskin and Mark Gurman Suffer with their credibility.( Especially in the last two years). John Prosser and Bloomberg are the only go to sources in terms of Apple related inside information, aside from Kuo’s future predictions.
 
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It’s delayed, no one will be buying phones right now, not enough for Apple to make enough money and production in China will be fairly low as well.
 
Then it should be canceled because at that point it will be too outdated. Or it should come equipped with A14.
 
Puppuccino said:
It’s delayed, no one will be buying phones right now, not enough for Apple to make enough money and production in China will be fairly low as well.
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Going by Jon Prosser’s info, I guess we’ll see their decision at some point during this week. Assuming they do delay to WWDC, will it even matter? Things could easily be just as bad (if not worse) at that time too.

mag33 said:
Then it should be canceled because at that point it will be too outdated. Or it should come equipped with A14.
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It’s apparently already in the mass production stage, I don’t think a cancellation or spec upgrade is likely at this point.


Anyway, kinda seems like no matter what they do, they’re going to be in a rough spot for the 9:

-Release in April: No apple stores are open, social distancing still in effect, demand for phones could be low

-Release in June: Could potentially have stores back open and relaxed distancing rules, but could also potentially be worse if the virus peaks in Summer. Also, the A13 would be nearly a year old, making the 9 look somewhat dated.

-Release in September or later: Most likely will have all stores open, hopefully the virus will somewhat be under control, but the 9 will be fairly outdated at that point, A13 would be a year old, etc. The 9 would also have to compete with all the new high end September iPhones.

I personally hope they just release it in April. They already released a spec bump iPad recently, & the 9 is basically just a spec bump‘d 8/8+. Just throw out a press release talking about how this is “The Best New Old iPhone” or whatever and let us grab one 😅
 
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Any truth the rumor that Best Buy received a shipment of “4.7” 2020” iPhone cases that aren’t supposed to be stocked in stores until April 5th?
 
nrvous1 said:
Any truth the rumor that Best Buy received a shipment of “4.7” 2020” iPhone cases that aren’t supposed to be stocked in stores until April 5th?
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All the manufacturer has to do is slap a label on their existing iPhone 8/7/6s cases. It's not indicative of much.
 
nrvous1 said:
Any truth the rumor that Best Buy received a shipment of “4.7” 2020” iPhone cases that aren’t supposed to be stocked in stores until April 5th?
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My theory is either what JPack said above, or that April 5th date was the pre-Coronavirus launch date. Unless they literally announce the 9 this week, no way it’ll be out that soon IMO
 
Puppuccino said:
It’s delayed, no one will be buying phones right now, not enough for Apple to make enough money and production in China will be fairly low as well.
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Discrete and accurate. There’s no room for smart phones right now given the economy/recession that’s already been initiated, consumers are doing exactly what they need to, which is conservation of their financials and re-prioritizing how they spend their money. Apple could release this phone tomorrow or in the middle of June, it won’t have an impact either way for the overall success, because of how the economy is reflecting that the tech market will decline for 2020.
 
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