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A Ferrari is sold on the basis it does one thing well, Ferrari don't claim you can do much more than drive really fast in a well controlled fashion.

Mini-vans, or MPVs in Europe, are sold as multi-purpose vehicles that can do those things you listed with aplomb, while none claim to do what a Ferrari does best any better.

The thing is Apple have claimed that the iPhone is a smart-phone, they have put it in the same league as competitors and it isn't. It does what is does very well and it's killer feature is syncing with Mac (and PC) through iTunes.

I think it's a shame they haven't bothered to keep developing iSync so other (better?) handset can sync with my Mac too. A cynic might say they've let iSync become obsolete to protect the iPhone from the competition.

I want a mini-van full of features, should I buy a mini-van claiming to be a mini-van or a Ferrari claiming to be a mini-van?
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/t...1182895716-7f7K2JmqQTyFeBItNN4dBg&oref=slogin

• No editor for Word
• No editor for Excel
• No editor for Power Point
• No editor for PDF

It ain't aimed at business users - most people were mad it wasn't gonna be able to read those docs, now it can. How long before you think you will be able to edit them too? Reading them for now is fine for most people.

• Rated battery life under-par (not a real surprise considering the MBPs rating)

Actually ALL the reviews I have seen said they got better than expected but not quite the same as Apple's estimates because they left wifi and other things on. They said even in this case they got close to what Apple said which means probably twice your average PDS/smart phone at least. You must REALLY hate those phones then because their battery life really sucks.

• No expandable memory (we knew this already, but if a chip goes bad, all your data is gone and you are screwed because you have to send it back to apple and you will have no phone)

Yes, especially since it all the stuff you put on the phone is from syncing with iTunes and saved thereafter there. The iPhone probably has the least potential to lose you info than almost any other phone. Music, TV shows, contacts, calendars all safe on your Mac and or PC.

• No Instant messaging (at all)

Web apps are already filling this void but Apple is probably waiting for Googles' messaging system in iChat under Leopard to do iChat on the iPhone.


• No Camera options for high speed shutter (all your photos will be blurry)

The NYT article you linked to has some excellent looking photos but if you have an unsteady hand you might have problems.

• No LED light (night shots will be crap)

You are worried about battery life? Flashes are a waste of battery and space on a phone IMHO.

• None replaceable battery (you will be screwed if you are in the middle of no where with a non replaceable battery)

This is true, I once was lost on dessert road out west and my RAZR battery crapped out on me and all I had to do was stop at a gas station to get a new one. Unfortunately they only had AAA's which I couldn't make fit.

• Slow browser, apparently the safari browser requires additional time to load a page because it may need to process the page before displaying it. Most likely because of the zoom feature, opera mini needs to do this as well but not opera mobile. We don’t know what the CPU is in the iphone however other pda phones that do not process the page appear to be faster

Every review says it is about the BEST browser and very fast. The animations alone in the GUI make every other phone to date look slow and pokey. Slow Safari loads are due to slow EDGE which is a valid criticism but under wifi Safari is about as good as it gets on a handheld for now.


• No Copy and Paste (that really sucks for website addresses you want to send to people)

Not true. You can send links to pages you are looking at with the SHARE button in the top of the address bar when in safari. That is even easier than cut and paste. I do agree it would be nice to have copy/paste but on this phone not sure how important it would be.


• Loss of space (700 MB is almost 1G of space missing from 4 or 8, that’s ¼ space GONE)

I see your math skillz are about as good as you critical thinking skills. 700MB isn't even 1/5 of the 4GB model and not even 10%, 1/10 if that % is a confusing symbol for you, of the 8GB model. It is a decent chunk of space but most phones come with less than 700MB to start off with, albeit most have expandable memory but you have to pay for that.


I don't disagree with all you criticisms but you seemed to go out of your way to make up some new and interesting faults or magnify ones that are not a huge deal to most people. The iPhone is far from perfect but it looks Apple got a whole lot more right with it than wrong.

-Jerry C.
 
The iPhone isn't so hot? Bro... PLEASE... listen to what he said later:

David Pogue said:
In other words, maybe all the iPhone hype isn’t hype at all. As the ball player Dizzy Dean once said, “It ain’t bragging if you done it."
 
[G5]Hydra;3823402 said:
I see your math skillz are about as good as you critical thinking skills. 700MB isn't even 1/5 of the 4GB model and not even 10%, 1/10 if that % is a confusing symbol for you, of the 8GB model. It is a decent chunk of space but most phones come with less than 700MB to start off with, albeit most have expandable memory but you have to pay for that.


-Jerry C.


apple likes to market 1000KB = 1MB (simply not true but alot of manufactures do this so they can cut costs, 2^10 = 1024, the true conversion, no computer uses a dec system)
ok well 4GB is 4000MB, you lose around 7% to formatting (doesnt matter what kind of format, you will lose space to formatting on any system)
you have ~3720MB left for storage you minus 700, you have 3020MB left
according to apple's logic 3020 = 3.02GB

im sorry your right, i forgot your 20MB. its not 3GB its 3.02GB/4.00GB
its not 1/4 its 151/200

also to the other people that posted, just because you dont use or have heard of mms or an led flash light or an led flash for the camera, does that mean everyone should bow to your ways? and unlearn technology? or basically become more ignorant?

MMS, can you send a rich email to current phones? no, ok well its not backwards compatible, is it stupid to be backwards compatible? obviously according to you people, i guess all of bluetooth is stupid too because BT3.0 is backwards compatible with BT1.0b

A2DP? how can you not have heard of it? its WIRELESS stereo audio. if the iphone is so revolutionary, it should have current as well as future technolgy. but yes, A2DP is possible as an upgrade (perhaps)

"This is true, I once was lost on dessert road out west and my RAZR battery crapped out on me and all I had to do was stop at a gas station to get a new one. Unfortunately they only had AAA's which I couldn't make fit."

no, but i know most people with cell phones have a spare in their purse or jacket. a battery is $10-$15 (in apple's case it would be something like $40-$50) when your battery goes dead from surfing or watching videos, just pop in a new one

your comment doesnt just states you dont know anything about your phone. i dont even have a razr and i know it takes a BR50 battery, rizr's and razr v3x's take a BC50-BC60-BC70.

"Rated battery life under-par (not a real surprise considering the MBPs rating)
but better than most any smart phone!"

what SMART phones are you talking about? the lowest end ones? (which are free BTW with a plan and not $599)

the JasJar/HTC Universal has 8hrs rated battery life, if you throw in the hi-cap battery you have 16hrs (its litterally doublesized)
my Tytn is capable of 10hrs talk with a double battery,

"No expandable memory (we knew this already, but if a chip goes bad, all your data is gone and you are screwed because you have to send it back to apple and you will have no phone)

that is just a fact of life...
but your data syncs"

ok yeah any pda phone can have a backup of the data on board as well as sync. great, but when your internal memory is no longer addressable (because its defective flash) how are you going to sync it back up? you are missing memory space. if i have a defective transflash card, i got buy another one for $15-$20, the 4GB transflash cards are only $40-$60

"No Voice dialing (even the 4 yr old nokia 3390 had this)

Never used this at all, guess it is a bit of a drawback"

so you look at your phone to dial someone when you are driving? with mine i have voice command i hit the MFB on my bluetooth headset and i say "call Persons name" my phone asks to confirm if its the person i want and i say yes, dont even know where my phone is in my bag which is either in the backseat or trunk. it dials and when im done i hit the MFB again to hang up. just becuase you dont use it, i guarentee you that hundreds of thousands of people do.


IM through the webbrowser, ok...
how many things are you going to compromise to the browser? does the browser have tabbing so you can somewhat multi task? can you even multitask at all on the iphone?

also have fun PAYING for your ring tones. songs you already purcahse but have to pay again to use them. thats hilarious.


It's like, what's your objective?
Convince millions of people not to do something?
Why take it upon yourself to convince people that what they're doing is stupid?
I mean, I'm doing it... but I'm only targeting one person. It's a lot easier!

no just to educate people that dont know whats out there so they can do better with their money. im not here to rip you off, im just here to prove there are better uses for the money you earned. this comes down to "bang for the buck"
 
no just to educate people that dont know whats out there so they can do better with their money. im not here to rip you off, im just here to prove there are better uses for the money you earned. this comes down to "bang for the buck"

I'll decide what the best use of my money is, thanks!
 
Of course there IS stuff the iPhone will do that the Nokia can't, but not a lot. And there's plenty more to add to the list that the Nokia CAN do, not to mention that it'll be available to more people sooner than the iPhone being worldwide and not locked to any network.


I know I want to carry a massive keyboard around in my pocket. I appreciate that nothing will ever happen to the hinge either. That will be very long lasting.

It has limited memory. Looks like it is EXPANDABLE up to 2 gigs. Which is half the size of the smallest iPhone to start with.

Not to mention there is no evidence that the UI does not suck like every other Nokia phone ever made. Also why does it have almost 30% less talk time then an iPhone. That is not good. In fact that is bad.

I have just begun looking through the specs on the E90, yet I can already find a bunch of things I don't like compared to the iPhone. The reality is this goes which ever way with what ever phone.

I suspect for most people though, a longer battery life and a better UI is more important than a camera flash.
 
I have nothing but macs at home and a macpro at my office.
FULL BLOWN MAC USER

but if you fail to see how crippled the iphone is compared t owhats out there....Then you are in denial and a victim of steves superhuman brainwashing powers.

By the way i love my blackberry curve no touchscreen? who cares i can do everything i need with it...

Then the iPhone is not for you. Enjoy your Blackberry. Noone is forcing you to buy one.:rolleyes:
 
the people on these forums that are comparing the iPhone to Blackberries and WM devices really need to not speak-ever. I honestly don't care if a WM device can clean my dog, and track down Santa Claus. Really- I don't give a @*$#!
Some windows laptops have more features then Macbook Pros... does that make them better then Macbook Pros? Not in a million years- not even close. You have to take hardware software integration into consideration when comparing two things, and honestly, the iPhone's GUI is the best implemented interface on any mobile device- anywhere- ever. Windows mobile is hideous looking and slow, Palm OS is outdated and childish, Symbian is pretty rough around the edges... and don't get me started on Moto's linux (such as on the Rokr E6.) In conclusion, it's pretty evident that even with its draw-backs, the iPhone will be the best phone ever created... even though it wont make your bed or manufacture authentic money.

David Pogue said:
But even in version 1.0, the iPhone is still the most sophisticated, outlook-changing piece of electronics to come along in years. It does so many things so well, and so pleasurably, that you tend to forgive its foibles.

In other words, maybe all the iPhone hype isn’t hype at all. As the ball player Dizzy Dean once said, “It ain’t bragging if you done it.”
 
I know I want to carry a massive keyboard around in my pocket. I appreciate that nothing will ever happen to the hinge either. That will be very long lasting....
Then you'll be very happy with the Nokia...wait a minute, you're being sarcastic aren't you?

Well for me the keyboard on the Nokia IS a killer feature, of course I need to try the touchscreen, but if it's like others I've used it simply will not beat the Nokia for me.

The hinge on my 9300i is working just fine and the robustness of the Nokia is brilliant, I've abused it more than I can realistically believe a glass touchscreen could take, and it's been dropped in a bath-tub too with no problem.

...It has limited memory. Looks like it is EXPANDABLE up to 2 gigs. Which is half the size of the smallest iPhone to start with...
Yup 2Gb is the largest card available, but of course you could, while not ideal, use multiple cards to store your movies etc. on.

...Not to mention there is no evidence that the UI does not suck like every other Nokia phone ever made...
The two or three reviews I've seen generally like it, I guess you need to try it first hand before you judge it, yeah?

...I have just begun looking through the specs on the E90, yet I can already find a bunch of things I don't like compared to the iPhone...
Yeah talk time could be an issue for some people, but for most I'm sure it'll suffice on both phone for most users, of course hardcore users can take spare batteries for the Nokia, can't do that with the iPhone.

And there's plenty I prefer about the Nokia, Editing and creating Word and Excel documents for example, barcode scanner, GPS, the hundreds of 3rd party apps to choose from the choice of any carrier etc. etc.

...I suspect for most people though, a longer battery life and a better UI is more important than a camera flash.
I suspect for most people though, the name and hype will be more important than anything, of course most people bought VHS over Betamax and most people use MS Windows over Mac OS.

I still think the iPhone's number one killer feature is ease of syncing with iTunes. I'm sure Apple could make this possible for other phones too, but they choose not to to keep their systems closed and customers locked to Apple's way of doing things.
 
Yup 2Gb is the largest card available, but of course you could, while not ideal, use multiple cards to store your movies etc. on.


I just saw today, on gizmodo, engadget, slashdot or some other techy site I was browsing, that Sandisk just announced 8 GB MicroSD cards. If they're not too terribly expensive, I might pick one up once they actually come out
 
I'm sure Apple could make this possible for other phones too, but they choose not to to keep their systems closed and customers locked to Apple's way of doing things.

Which, for a lot of us, is leaps and bounds better than the way other companies do things.
 
I still think the iPhone's number one killer feature is ease of syncing with iTunes. I'm sure Apple could make this possible for other phones too, but they choose not to to keep their systems closed and customers locked to Apple's way of doing things.

Like I said to uNext, the iPhone is not for you. We realize this. You don't have buy it. Quit trying to convince everyone that the iPhone isn't for them. Let them decide for themselves. No one cares what you are saying....
 
No one is telling you to buy this thing.

All I hear in this thread is:

"blah blah iPhone sucks"

or

"blah blah iPhone rox"


buy it or dont, i dont want to hear YOUR reasons for doing either.
 
pr5owner is clearly a paid troll.

This account should be closed.

Proof:

1. New account opened 17 days ago
2. Every single posting of his 105 is a negative post about the iPhone
3. The original post is obviously pre-prepared
4. Nobody who hasn't been screwed behaves this way about a pre-release product unless being paid for.

I guess the only other possibility--small as it is--is that the guy is a total hater/loser.
 
IM through the webbrowser, ok...
how many things are you going to compromise to the browser? does the browser have tabbing so you can somewhat multi task? can you even multitask at all on the iphone?
Actually you can open multiple windows in Safari on the iPhone. Switching through them is pretty trivial too.
also have fun PAYING for your ring tones. songs you already purcahse but have to pay again to use them. thats hilarious.
Who says we have to pay for ringtones?


On a sidenote, I love how you're ignoring my previous post about bank security. :p
 
• Rated battery life under-par (not a real surprise considering the MBPs rating)

Rated battery life is actually pretty good. As for your long journeys, the battery may not be replaceable but you can always get a piggy-back power unit, like on the iPods. Not much different really than an extra phone battery in your pocket. Except the battery pack accepts AAA batteries, which can come in handy, unless you have the nasty habit of always carrying a phone charger…
 
Rated battery life is actually pretty good. As for your long journeys, the battery may not be replaceable but you can always get a piggy-back power unit, like on the iPods. Not much different really than an extra phone battery in your pocket. Except the battery pack accepts AAA batteries, which can come in handy, unless you have the nasty habit of always carrying a phone charger…

are there ones that pack AA? if so you can have an array of 2700mAH AA's rather than 1000mAH. too bad the ipod isnt regular mini A USB, i see alot of battery packs but they are for pda phones and motorola phones with the standard mini USB plug.
 
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