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dongmin said:
Yes, Apple's trying to move into the living room. That's what iTV is for. And it happens to be compatible with just about every TV & stereo out there.

The mp3 player-ipod analogy is OLD. And it's not really relevant. The portable mp3 player was a niche product in its infacy when the iPod came onto the scene. TVs...not exactly a new market. TVs are TVs--it's basically a dumb box for displaying video feeds. It's useless until you add another box to feed it content (cable box, DVD player, TiVo, iTV, etc).

There's not much in the way of function Apple can add to the TV that's not already covered by iTV. It's clear Apple is NOT interested in connecting to cable/satellite or offering a PVR solution.

I think I'd pay a premium not to have a separate box and the extra cables. It's got to be worth at least a little bit to anyone not to have the extra hardware/cables. I think it could be worth enough to make entering the TV market profitable, but I'd certainly do some market polling before I tried it.

Also, the iTV isn't compatible with any TV I've ever owned. The majority of households do not have a HDMI compatible TV.
 
Carbon nanotube displays ? (CNT) or nano-Emmisive (NED)

dongmin said:
Um, has anyone bothered to ask why Apple would even get into the TV business? What would Apple bring to the table that Dell, Samsung, Sony, and a million others haven't already???

And no, I wouldn't want iTV integrated. What would be the point?

I willpoint to 2 links
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1816237,00.asp

http://www.physorg.com/news86.html

They both are supposed to be released late 2006 early 2007 maybe apple has these up a sleeve
 
50"? I cant frickin wait. I hoped they would. Then with the iTV announcement my excitement grew. Now im drooling. Im not saying what the next stage is though ;)
 
bdj21ya said:
I think I'd pay a premium not to have a separate box and the extra cables. It's got to be worth at least a little bit to anyone not to have the extra hardware/cables. I think it could be worth enough to make entering the TV market profitable, but I'd certainly do some market polling before I tried it.

Also, the iTV isn't compatible with any TV I've ever owned. The majority of households do not have a HDMI compatible TV.

It would strike me as a wierd situation if Apple told a "three box TV" (iTV + monitor) when there's no apparent demand for such a thing and when most people want TVs to be as simple as possible and are getting fed-up with the number of separate boxes sitting underneath, while they continue to sell an "integrated" computer when a sizable number of people actually want something upgradable for the same price and where there's no real evidence that there's a massive preference for integrated, un-modifiable computers among consumers.

I can see the iTV being sold standalone, but I can't see Apple selling "TVs" that don't have an iTV, and probably some kind of DVD drive, built-in.
 
dongmin said:
Um, has anyone bothered to ask why Apple would even get into the TV business? What would Apple bring to the table that Dell, Samsung, Sony, and a million others haven't already???

And no, I wouldn't want iTV integrated. What would be the point?

What is Apple doing with its DISPLAYS that Dell, Sony, Samsung, etc. aren't doing? But Apple continues to make displays after many, many years, no? And it continues to be a profitable product for Apple, no? Why shouldn't we expect that Apple will be at least as successfult with its 50" display as it is with its other display sizes?
 
lmalave said:
What is Apple doing with its DISPLAYS that Dell, Sony, Samsung, etc. aren't doing? But Apple continues to make displays after many, many years, no? And it continues to be a profitable product for Apple, no? Why shouldn't we expect that Apple will be at least as successfult with its 50" display as it is with its other display sizes?

Apple's display prices are so high that they can't not make money. When you sell a display for $700 that everybody else sells for $350, you get some pretty good profit margins. They may only sell a handful, but but they make money.
 
1920 x 1080 plasmas are extremely rare; virtually all are lower resolution. There is basically ONE commercially viable set - the Pioneer 50" 1920 x 1080 plasma set, and that retails for $10,000. LCD flat-panels with 1920 x 1080 resolution are common. Sharp's new large LCD sets from its 8th generation plant have a higher contrast ratio and faster response times - now 4 ms. Sharp's new D62 line 46" 1920 x 1080 set sells for $3300. LCD sets aren't what they used to be.

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mac4evan said:
For all the skeptics out there I would think again...

Consider how Apple is blending the computer and the home into one.

A 50-inch moniter can also be a 50 inch HDTV connected to an 'iTV':eek:

That was my first reaction too - but I'm still trying to think what "added value" an Apple TV connected to an iTV could offer, over and above any other TV. Unless it actually had an integrated iTV.
 
The Steve bathed in the worship. The audience was more excited than he had ever seen.

"So", he coughed, "A quad-core 64 bit iMac, the new native Windows application support in Leopard, and a 100 gigabyte iPod, for lossless music. But before we go..."

The audience gasped, they knew the next four words and shouted them out. Boy, that had never happened before.

"Just! One! More! Thing!"

What was it about MacWorld this year? Steve gulped, and stepped back, pulling the cloth over a huge CRT-shaped screen.

"Say hello to iPhone."

He had to pause for the gasps. Realising most the audience hadn't heard it, he cleared his throat and tried again.

"This is the new iPhone. It's a 50" monitor. You hang it on your wall. And it has a built in iSight camera that actually sits behind the screen. Microphones that use echo cancellation in conjunction with the speakers. It's an entirely seamless two way video conferencing system. Stand in front of it, the person you're talking to can see you, and you can see them. Wow."

The audience was quiet, mouths wide open.

"We're using advanced mobile phone technology to give it a permanent connection to the rest of the world. And it's powered by the sound of your voice and the ambient light in the room, so you don't have to do anything to keep it running. In fact, once installed, it will sit in your room permanently working, keeping you in constant contact. Full colour bi-directional audio-visual communication. Wow."

The TV switched over to a picture of Jobs himself. A slightly younger version of him in the picture. It looked out of the screen with a knowing smile. And piercing eyes. No matter where in the conference room you looked, those eyes looked back at you.

"Now, a 50" TV would normally cost you thousands of dollars, plus hundreds of dollars a year for cable or satellite service. But the most exciting part of this new technology is the price. Thanks to a deal with the Department of Homeland Security, we will be installing an iPhone in every room of every household in the country. For free. That's right. You'll never be out of sight of an iPhone."

The audience was barely listening any more. They looked at the screen, the eyes of The Steve looking right back at them.

"There are no fiddly controls, no buttons to press or numbers to remember. Every iPhone will be permanently connected back to the Department of Truth at the new iNgsoc office in Culpertino. Our trained staff will keep a watch over you, helping you with your morning exercise, freeing your mind from troubling thoughts, and ensuring your home remains free from subvertion."

The audience was hysterical. Steve smiled triumphantly. This was yet another notch on the stick of unprecedented successes.

He'd never anticipated how well the "PowerPC good, Intel better" switch had gone two years ago; the pause in mid speech where he had railed against Intel and praised IBM, switching unnoticably to the "We are at war with IBM! We have always been at war against IBM! Intel are our friends!"; the reaction to the iPhone was... well, he knew better than most the public's wish for a simpler world where all the important things had been taken care of for them.

It was time to wrap this thing up. To go home, and sip a little Victory Gin in celebration.
 
What's the problem?

I only see the 50" as a way for Apple to expand brand recognition. Just imagine walking into your local Best Buy or CompUSA and right beside the Toshiba and HP Plasmas , sits a beautiful Apple display. One more market that could possibly be another way for Apple to rake in some money. Remember the iPod halo effect? Maybe this could do the same thing for Mac market share? I'm all up for seeing Apple pass Dell and HP.

Not only that but imagine how many people would be impressed by the iTV and Apple display combo. One remote, no set-top box and a wireless connection to your new iMac you picked up from the last aisle. :) Pretty cool IMHO.
-Joey
 
I just want a 4k res. 30in ACD :) , it would require a special GPU to support it though. Think I read the 4k res 52/56in CMO LCD's which are still stuck in prototype stages, are run off of 4 GPU's at present.

4k res video is the wave of the future (coming soon, there are already 4k projectors appearing in movie theatres).

iPhone would be a failure, I should think. Motorola isn't even supporting their iTunes phones, cause they sucked in design. Broadband TV/Video is already available as part of many newer cell phones, what good would it do for Apple to just have LG or Samsung just manufactuer a phone for them based on one of their existing or future phone models? Apple can't sell enough of an Apple only phone, without an agreement with service providers around the world...it is not a whinning proposition to have an iPhone product, IMO.
 
Butthead said:
iPhone would be a failure, I should think. Motorola isn't even supporting their iTunes phones, cause they sucked in design. Broadband TV/Video is already available as part of many newer cell phones, what good would it do for Apple to just have LG or Samsung just manufactuer a phone for them based on one of their existing or future phone models? Apple can't sell enough of an Apple only phone, without an agreement with service providers around the world...it is not a whinning proposition to have an iPhone product, IMO.

The difference is the scrollwheel :)

Whatever the final iPhone design is (e.g. slider), the front of the iPhone will almost certainly look exactly like an iPod nano (for the smaller phone), or an iPod (for the larger phone). So it's not just about having mobile iTunes on any ol' phone. It's about getting the complete iPod experience when the phone is not in use. Only when you need to use the phone features will you have to slide the phone open and make it behave like anything other than a normal iPod.

And what's even better: it will probably cost no more than a regular iPod. That's because even if it costs $100 or $200 more to manufacture than a normal iPod, the beauty is that the wireless provider (which will probably be Cingular and/or T-Mobile), will *subsidize* the phone for at least that much with a new 2-year contract. It's a *great* business for Apple to be in. Not only is it a huge market, it's a market where the wireless providers pay most of the cost of the hardware. It'll basically be a huge transfer of cash from wireless providers to Apple (and lots of new contracts for the lucky wireless providers that offer the iPhone).
 
BRLawyer said:
Sorry, plasma is a borndead technology. Large LCDs are reaching the same price level for above-42" as plasmas, they consume a LOT less energy and have ZERO burn-in problems.

:confused: :confused: :confused: too bad lcd's over 42" look like *****...

try to watch a football game on one... blurry & pixelated to death... plasma or dlp wins the big picture hands down...

although say goodbye to plasmas when the laser tv is introduced xmas 2007 ;)

http://tvtechnology.com/features/news/2006.05.31-n_mitsubishi_touts.shtml
 
A 50" Apple Tv WILL be a hit. Though if i'm not mistaken it would be the first Apple Product that didn't require a computer in any form to operate. The same thing with an iPhone, technically it wouldn't be dependent on a computer in any way. It would be a big step for Apple to take, and a completely wise one IMO, the Apple brand is KNOWN, but for it to become a true household name, people who dont use computers need to have one of their products.

i for one would get an Apple TV, though i hope they dont end up just using the iPod remote control.

something that could be cool is a USB connection for an iPod, (or even a loading slot of some type??!!!) which would then load the iPod into something like the new iTv interface, and then you could remote control the ipod through the new TV remote control, that would have a scroll wheel, and access music, video, photos etc.. from someone elses iPod library. What would be even cooler was an LCD Bluetooth remote control, that would slot into the side of TV for charging and safe keeping. The Remote would look something like the mock new Video iPod, and display basic items such as album art, credits and info of media playing, when playing through iTv.

Imagine the possibilities. If it had a built in HD DVD player and PVR, then you'd only really need another box for cable/satellite and Amp. If the wireless connection between iTV and a Mac was fast enough to transmit a 1080p feed, then the future of home viewing would be founded.
 
yess, we will have a 50 inch cinema. we shall sit on our couches and control it with our ipods in hand. it will dock with the tv or sync wirelessly. Hifi will go wirless as soon as ipod does. iTv is just a stepping stone to wirles and touch sensetive ipods. it just cuts out the ipod as the media exchanger to show the benifits of wireless and then...bam ipod PRO. iTv will become a household name just like ipod. but apple will be slow to impliment so as not to scare away production companies or stir up the dreaded WAL-MART again. It seems though if they had a video recorder built in it would hurt their tv show biz. but wait they will most likley pud itms drm on the recorded shows or restrict dpi or make you buy it as you watch it for free. yeah apple you make that money.
 
Hi everyone. Just thought I'd add my voice to the chorus here.

In today's morning paper I found a flyer from a local electronics store that advertised a Sharp Aquos LCD television running at 1920 x 1080 resolution (37" (model LC37D90U) - $2299). Also available are the D62 series of LCD TVs in 42", 46" and 52" sizes. The 42" model costs $2699. (All prices in Canadian dollars, so a little less in USD.)

Clearly then the screen sizes are available and out there. It's certainly not inconceivable then that Apple could release a 52" size screen. But ... the Sharp screens all run at 1920 x 1080 resolution. So all we might really get is a really big 23" monitor in terms of resolution. Then again, with Steve you never really know ...

Something I could see though is a 50" monitor (TV) with iTV built in. No external box, no wires, no nothing. Just mount it on a wall, add electricity and voila! Instant movie streaming from your favourite iTunes library.
 
Am I the only one thinking Apple Cinema Television, iTV and iTunes Movies are the perfect companions in a living room?

The best designed television, coupled with the best technology to support and be able to watch High Definition content straight from the internet (granted it requires you have a fast enough internet speed). And all the accessory required will be smaller than the current Media Center PCs invading the living rooms worldwide and be looking better to boot!

Apple is a lifestyle brand and people will buy it!
 
Pressure said:
Am I the only one thinking Apple Cinema Television, iTV and iTunes Movies are the perfect companions in a living room?

The best designed television, coupled with the best technology to support and be able to watch High Definition content straight from the internet (granted it requires you have a fast enough internet speed). And all the accessory required will be smaller than the current Media Center PCs invading the living rooms worldwide and be looking better to boot!

Apple is a lifestyle brand and people will buy it!

If I had $3000 to freely spend, I would definitely consider getting a flat-screen TV from Apple for my small NYC room (it would have to be a flat screen because of space constraints). For the foreseeable future though, I'll have to settle for connecting the iTV to my projector (which is not a bad option at all - I easily get a 42" picture at 800x600).
 
can't be a "monitor"

I've been using a 1080p 47" inch LCD as a monitor with a Mac Mini. It's installed now as a lobby kiosk but it was on a desk.
I can tell you with no uncertainty that you can't run a 50" Monitor on your desk.

The 47" I had was not a Plasma.. it was LCD. It gave off palpable heat. You could feel waves of heat on your face. it was also too bright because of all the surface area. Dimming it messed up the color and contrast. Looking at it for any length of time at that distance (seat to desk) made your eyes hurt.

I don't buy a 50" Apple monitor at all. It'd be a horrible monitor. God forbid it was a Plasma.. It'd be downright uncomefortable at normal desk to seat distances.
It also won't be a HighDef TV that someone mistakenly called a Monitor. Why would Apple every enter the HDTV market? There are plenty of players there already who'd do a better job and still market products cheaper.

ffakr.

P.S. if you're pricing.. The Westinghouse is dirt cheap, it looks great, and it has two DVI, one VGA, SVID, Component.. and it had 1 HDMI. We got the 47" from Crutchfield for $2499. No cable card slot though.
 
I Bet Jobs Is Laughing at this...

Seriously , who thinks up these "rumors".

I bet Jobs and apple's Dev team are in hysterics. Seriously this 50" Apple Monitor rumor must be a joke.

Another point , having been looking at large tvs alot recently, anything above 42" you need to be allmost double the distance away to get full picture clarity, so unless you have a very large living room, or home cinema i dont see how it is a consumer good.

P.s , i do believe that apple will release a iphone in mid spring 07.

my late night thoughts
John
 
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