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There’s something profoundly unsettling about smartphones, precisely because they are the everything device. You can do virtually anything with them, and as the endless stream of content generated by LLMs grows, the boundaries blur even further. We’ve long passed the point of asking, what’s the point of all this?
It's kinda funny how I will look at my iPhone app library (with rage because I loathe its design but that's another topic) and think to myself "there's too much here". When I review my screen time, I see I only stick to 10-15 apps at most per month. But there's always some nagging of "I'll need this at some point". I try to be a minimalist overall, so it's likely a personality thing. Yet I think about how much we've become data hoarders. We continue subscribing to those who keep our memories hostage, rather than going through and dumping the photos we don't need. I know it's easier said than done for those with enormous libraries, and who actually use their iPhone library for more than memes, unlike myself.

To your statement here, there's an endless stream of data in general. I'm reminded of Apple's marketing, touting the numerous apps on the AppStore, and remember how few are actually useful. And here I am with dozens I may use once annually!
Other devices, like laptops and desktops, feel more compartmentalized, more intentional. Even iPads, with their whimsical, social nature, make sense in group settings or creative environments. They inhabit a different mental space, one with purpose and focus.

The purposefulness of other devices creates a barrier, a separation, that allows them to occupy a distinct headspace. This difference fosters focus and enables a stronger, more intentional workflow. While some may resist the phone’s vortex of constant social media drama and distraction, most cannot.
This is something I miss about having a desktop Mac. I had to intentionally go to its desk to use it; I couldn't lay in bed consuming content when I should be asleep. It's the same as having a different physical space for activities. Back then I had an iPad I would use as my mobile computer. Now with a MacBook, I always have it with me. It's a good thing in many ways, but also broke the physical barriers I had. If I could afford a Studio Display I'd have a similar situation again.
 
I'm an old Boomer and I grew up using desktops....I started with a TI 99/4A w/ expansion box...I was the president of my high school computer club and I used the schools mini computer with punch tape and card decks. later I sold Apple IIe computers and other computers at Computerland (they were SO fun!)

I find modern computers SO amazing as I went to school the computers were SO large compared to what is out now....

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now my main device is a Mac mini M4 connected to a 32 inch 4K monitor. I have a 15 PM 256 (with 2 eSIM's active) and 2 Cellular Apple Watches (Series 7, Series 9) as I use them to keep me very active as I lost 200 LB keeping active with them (very important for me!) (calorie counting and moving a lot)

I am staring at my mini as my old mind can't believe how much power is in there compared to the school's mini from the 70's...
 
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All comes down to individual need. To say you “don’t see the point” in something is a bit of a silly comment. Perhaps more accurate to say you don’t use it or take advantage of the functionality. Many people love an Apple Watch and I’ve actually acquired one myself over Christmas. 5 days in and I’m using it for things I wouldn’t use my phone for.

My average day has regular use of 5 devices which have various sizes of screen, each one has specific advantages. You use what you need.
 
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I was wondering if anyone else out there is like me? I have an iPhone 16PM and MacBook Air. I had an Apple Watch several years ago, but sold it because I really didn’t see the point. I keep my iPhone on me everywhere so what’s the need for the watch? With that said, I pretty much use my iPhone for everything I do because it’s nearby and convenient even at home. My MacBook has really only been for grad school work and professional things. My iPhone is my main device and I love it! 😁
Same here. iPhone most of the day. iPad running in background,music, podcasts or YouTube . My MacBook Air collects dust.
 
The tough part for me is texting evolving to the communication method where instant answers are expected. I know how it is to be flooded with messages trying to get my attention... and yet it remains easy to become impatient when others don't answer me quick!

Resetting the expectation of my phone not running my life, and that I will respond when I get to it, has been a positive experience.
Having to reply instantly has not been my experience. OTOH, the people I tend to be texting with are older so there's that. When we (my wife and I) got phones for our kids we had to explicitly explain to them that when we texted them at school we were NOT expecting an immediate reply - only when they had a moment they could reply without breaking the rules and getting in trouble. So, perhaps it's generational, IDK. I have no issues breaking off a conversation if something else is going on where I'm at.
 
There are things a phone cannot perform well or at all. I don't consider them an everything device, especially given my line of work that involves a lot of document processing, interacting with specific institutional web apps that do not work on the mobile phone, and other things.
That’s a good point. “Everything device” is an imprecise and hyperbolic term.
 
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It's kinda funny how I will look at my iPhone app library (with rage because I loathe its design but that's another topic) and think to myself "there's too much here". When I review my screen time, I see I only stick to 10-15 apps at most per month. But there's always some nagging of "I'll need this at some point". I try to be a minimalist overall, so it's likely a personality thing. Yet I think about how much we've become data hoarders. We continue subscribing to those who keep our memories hostage, rather than going through and dumping the photos we don't need. I know it's easier said than done for those with enormous libraries, and who actually use their iPhone library for more than memes, unlike myself.

To your statement here, there's an endless stream of data in general. I'm reminded of Apple's marketing, touting the numerous apps on the AppStore, and remember how few are actually useful. And here I am with dozens I may use once annually!

This is something I miss about having a desktop Mac. I had to intentionally go to its desk to use it; I couldn't lay in bed consuming content when I should be asleep. It's the same as having a different physical space for activities. Back then I had an iPad I would use as my mobile computer. Now with a MacBook, I always have it with me. It's a good thing in many ways, but also broke the physical barriers I had. If I could afford a Studio Display I'd have a similar situation again.
Good points. There’s a trade-off when we gain so much convenience. It’s one of those unseen costs that’s critical yet difficult to quantify. We can sense something is off, and I believe it’s worth paying attention to those instincts, even if they don’t apply to everyone equally.

We’ve reached a point where there’s little left to purchase or create purely for profit. Instead, incredibly intelligent, hardworking, and highly organized people are using the most advanced algorithms ever designed with a singular goal: capturing a few more minutes of our daily attention through our phones.

Personally, I don’t think I can outsmart these systems or the minds behind them. The only way I’ve found to resist is by changing the medium entirely. “The medium is the message.” Whether it’s watching a movie or focusing on meaningful work, these intentional interactions are different from the constant cycle of quick phone checks and endless scrolling. That pattern, if not outright destructive, feels like a shift, and probably not one I want to participate in as much as I have.
 
Good points. There’s a trade-off when we gain so much convenience. It’s one of those unseen costs that’s critical yet difficult to quantify. We can sense something is off, and I believe it’s worth paying attention to those instincts, even if they don’t apply to everyone equally.

We’ve reached a point where there’s little left to purchase or create purely for profit. Instead, incredibly intelligent, hardworking, and highly organized people are using the most advanced algorithms ever designed with a singular goal: capturing a few more minutes of our daily attention through our phones.

Personally, I don’t think I can outsmart these systems or the minds behind them. The only way I’ve found to resist is by changing the medium entirely. “The medium is the message.” Whether it’s watching a movie or focusing on meaningful work, these intentional interactions are different from the constant cycle of quick phone checks and endless scrolling. That pattern, if not outright destructive, feels like a shift, and probably not one I want to participate in as much as I have.
If I have any outright 'destructive' patterns it's shifting between MacRumors, Reddit and Flipboard many, many, many times over the course of my day. Outside of the days where I serve as taxi for the rest of my family, I can literally spend almost every waking moment in front of my computer.

This (below) is my primary vantage point. That is my primary phone. And today, a day where no one has left the house all day and will remain at home until the end, I have checked my phone less than 10 times. And I came down to the computer at 4am.

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I suppose, if pushed, I'd admit that the same fevered attachment to phones that others have has long applied to me in regards to computers. But my phone…no.
 
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If I have any outright 'destructive' patterns it's shifting between MacRumors, Reddit and Flipboard many, many, many times over the course of my day. Outside of the days where I serve as taxi for the rest of my family, I can literally spend almost every waking moment in front of my computer.

This (below) is my primary vantage point. That is my primary phone. And today, a day where no one has left the house all day and will remain at home until the end, I have checked my phone less than 10 times. And I came down to the computer at 4am.

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I suppose, if pushed, I'd admit that the same fevered attachment to phones that others have has long applied to me in regards to computers. But my phone…no.
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Having to reply instantly has not been my experience. OTOH, the people I tend to be texting with are older so there's that. When we (my wife and I) got phones for our kids we had to explicitly explain to them that when we texted them at school we were NOT expecting an immediate reply - only when they had a moment they could reply without breaking the rules and getting in trouble. So, perhaps it's generational, IDK. I have no issues breaking off a conversation if something else is going on where I'm at.
There's certainly a generational part in play. When I was younger it was a matter of calling my friends' home phones; if they weren't home, no dice. Since then, everything is instant at our fingertips. Countless stories I've heard of young couples getting upset when one doesn't respond within an hour. I'm grateful to be better equipped to navigate the overwhelming flow of data and the dopamine traps that young people face in today's chaotic internet landscape.
 
I've been iPhone only since mid 2017. I had a 2009 white MB and traded up to a mid 2012 MBP in 2013. Those MacBooks were the longest lasting computers I've ever had. Eventually though, I found I could do everything I used the MBP for faster on my phone, so sold the MBP. From then, I've gone iPhone SE 1>iPhone XR>iPhone 12 Mini>iPhone 15 Pro.

I don't have any vision so a big screen does nothing for me. Every time I've thought about getting an iPad or another MB to play with, I figure it'd probably just end up not being used much. I've thought that if I ever need another laptop, I'll probably go back to Windows because it has third party assistive software that is, in some cases, more versitile than Apple's built-in offerings. I just haven't found a need for that yet. I ended up just getting a Magic keyboard to connect to my phone for times I need to do longer writing. Time will tell whether that ends up working out or not.
 
Mind sharing your age? Feels like this is more of a generational thing. Growing up with traditional computers at home and in school versus tablets and smartphones.
You’re probably absolutely right about that. I’m 31!
 
Interesting tread.

I replaced my MacBook with my phone around 2017. Have only used my phone since though I have another MacBook from work which I very occasionally use for stuff like taxes or booking extensive travel.

Now I am trying to replace my iPhone with my Apple Watch as a main device and have the iPhone be the sidekick. Too bad Siri + ChatGPT only works on the iPhone itself, otherwise it would make it much easier.
 
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Interesting tread.

I replaced my MacBook with my phone around 2017. Have only used my phone since though I have another MacBook from work which I very occasionally use for stuff like taxes or booking extensive travel.

Now I am trying to replace my iPhone with my Apple Watch as a main device and have the iPhone be the sidekick. Too bad Siri + ChatGPT only works on the iPhone itself, otherwise it would make it much easier.
If you find any tips/tricks that help you use the watch as a phone replacement, please be sure to share them here. I've tried doing the same thing, but have run into a lot of road blocks. I whittle them away as I can, but am always super interested to hear what others have found.

I'd like to go phone light/free, but there are too many tradeoffs to go to a flip phone, or light phone or whatever (texting from computer, maps, camera, Microsoft Authenticator, etc) that I feel like my best option is to use my watch to replace as much of my phone time as I can.
 
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Resetting the expectation of my phone not running my life, and that I will respond when I get to it, has been a positive experience.
100% this. I had an Apple Watch for a while and the same could be said about that. Freeing yourself from the shackles of technology is absolutely liberating and positive. Has tech become and addiction / illness that people think they have to have to achieve anything, when in reality they just need to use their head a bit more? I firmly believe that being constantly connected is the reason we see so many mental health issues today. Turn it off, go outside and live a little.
 
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100% this. I had an Apple Watch for a while and the same could be said about that. Freeing yourself from the shackles of technology is absolutely liberating and positive. Has tech become and addiction / illness that people think they have to have to achieve anything, when in reality they just need to use their head a bit more? I firmly believe that being constantly connected is the reason we see so many mental health issues today. Turn it off, go outside and live a little.
Totally agree. I ditched my Apple Watch and turned my iPhone (SE 1st gen) into a dumb phone.
No more Activity Challenges or Sleep logs to tell me I should perform more, better, longer, higher...
 
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Totally agree. I ditched my Apple Watch and turned my iPhone (SE 1st gen) into a dumb phone.
No more Activity Challenges or Sleep logs to tell me I should perform more, better, longer, higher...
I'm still working in the dumb phone thing, but need to find a new bank that doesn't force me into using an App. Over Christmas I saw family getting excited because the watch on was rewarding them with standing up once an hour. They looked rather silly... I used to be hooked on step count but now enjoy my 2 walks a day much, much more.
 
Over Christmas I saw family getting excited because the watch on was rewarding them with standing up once an hour. They looked rather silly... I used to be hooked on step count but now enjoy my 2 walks a day much, much more.
I walk 8K every morning, and now listen to my body instead of my step count.
And, while on it, I don't need an Apple Watch to tell me how I slept overnight :p
 
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100% this. I had an Apple Watch for a while and the same could be said about that. Freeing yourself from the shackles of technology is absolutely liberating and positive. Has tech become and addiction / illness that people think they have to have to achieve anything, when in reality they just need to use their head a bit more? I firmly believe that being constantly connected is the reason we see so many mental health issues today. Turn it off, go outside and live a little.
I've been in front of a computer since 1980 and connected to other people by technology since 1985. I'm comfortable with my 'addiction'. I control it and it does not control me. But I refuse to let it go and be 'tech lite' or tech free because it makes things easier for me.

And I stay connected to people, which is the most important thing to me. Disconnect if you want. I won't.

In the words of Beckett Mariner, "No no no I'm not living off the grid anywhere. I thrive on the grid. I require grid."
 
I'm still working in the dumb phone thing, but need to find a new bank that doesn't force me into using an App.
I still have an iPhone 11 that I use in this kind of situations. In fact, also for email and youtube.
Which, in fact, brings me to this thread's topic. My MBA is still here, for occasional heavy duty stuff.
 
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I still have an iPhone 11 that I use in this kind of situations. In fact, also for email and youtube.
Which, in fact, brings me to this thread's topic. My MBA is still here, for occasional heavy duty stuff.
The 11 Pro Max is my primary phone. ;)
 
I totally understand.
But I have only few people to connect with, and I use analog for that.
I have three people I connect with. My wife, my son and my daughter. I have no friends, other than my wife, that I meet with or see in person. No social life.

But aside from holidays, my wife, my daughter and my son go three different places every day. I need to be in contact because I am their taxi service. But aside from that, I have been connected to forums and other people world-wide over the years for a long time. I communicate with them through a variety of ways. On MacRumors, on my phone, through email, etc. I've never met in person any of these people, but I have long established relationships with them. Analogue won't cut it here.

Incidentally though, analogue is how I deal with the important things between my family. Anything important or sensitive is discussed in person.
 
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In the house, I use a full desktop (running Linux). But for mobile use, I have an iPhone 16 Pro, an iPad Pro 13 and the original version of the Apple watch. I never leave home without them. I carry my iPad around like a woman carries a purse. (I get bugged a lot by my friends) :)

Where I live there are heavy fines for using a phone while driving. The watch is handy because if I get a text, I just have to glance at my wrist to see it. If it's important, I can pull over and respond safely. I also use the Watch with Apple pay. I tap it instead of digging out credit cards.

For some things the phone screen is just too small. (Even the Pro Max screen). If I'm out and have to look up something on the web, the 13" iPad is far more suited for the task. Just reading this forum is so much nicer on the iPad. Plus sometimes I'm with friends showing off photos. They're much more impressive to see on the iPad.
 
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Oh you mean 80% of the population? This isn't really that unique, in fact I'd bet the vast majority of people under 18 and the vast majority of people over 55 are exclusively on iPhones.
 
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