iPhone Boredom

[TheSpaz]

Yeah, and 3x the weight, 3x the price. The ipad is a media consumption device, and I think it will be astoundingly good at that. Clearly it's not meant to replace a laptop for professional content creation.

I fully understand it's use and who it's marketed toward. It's not marketed for professionals. That's why I need my MacBook Pro, but my Mom on the other hand, would love an iPad.

You pay 3x the price for a reason, the weight doesn't bother me, it's more comfortable to type on and it can run pro apps.

You haven't tired of proselytizing your decision to not upgrade to OS3.0 yet? I mean, I haven't been on this forum for about six months and you're still on this?

I can't think of any good reasons to upgrade, but I can think of negative reasons to upgrade, so I'm staying at 2.2.1 until there's a good reason to upgrade. Why does it matter to you? I was just explaining what happened with my Things.app. It has nothing to do with why I like 2.2.1 or not.

 

[TonyC28]

I thought a topic like this would be bombarded with Apple apologists freaking out that someone could possibly get bored with the iPhone...glad to see it isn't

I think a couple people suggested that jailbreaking keeps the excitement. That may be true, but we shouldn't have to do that to add things that Apple could easily do themselves or at least "allow" iPhone customers to do. I'm not here to start that whole argument, so lets not dwell on that. I've jailbroken my 3GS twice and unjailbroken it twice because of the hit that battery life takes.

I think a big reason we have gotten bored is that if you put a 3g and a 3GS next to each other on a table and turned them on, then slide the slider, then check out a few apps, they look basically the same. Actually they don't basically look the same, if you take the useless compass app off the main screen they look exactly the same. Obviously there are hardware improvements and the better camera but the look and feel is the same. The iPhone is a cool tech device but it has looked the same for 3 years now. People want the look of something new and cutting edge and frankly the iPhone has lost that for some of us.

I am really hoping that Apple's recent silence about iPhone stuff is because they are working on something really new for the next generation iPhone. For me, an HD screen will not do the trick. I couldn't care less if the movie I'm watching on such a small screen is HD. If the next iPhone isn't a big leap ahead from previous models I will probably give an Android phone a try. Not necessarily because they are better, but because they are something different.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

I am really hoping that Apple's recent silence about iPhone stuff is because they are working on something really new for the next generation iPhone. For me, an HD screen will not do the trick. I couldn't care less if the movie I'm watching on such a small screen is HD. If the next iPhone isn't a big leap ahead from previous models I will probably give an Android phone a try. Not necessarily because they are better, but because they are something different.

Know what my favorite thing about the Nexus One was?

The high resolution screen.

 

[maflynn]

I buying into a platform where i'm not guaranteed the latest update for months is not gonna happen

Between apple and google. Google has a better track record of rolling out updates. when was the last time apple provided an update to their OS. At best we're lucky to see a "major" update annually and maybe one or two minor bug fix updates after that.

 

[Pared]

Between apple and google. Google has a better track record of rolling out updates. when was the last time apple provided an update to their OS. At best we're lucky to see a "major" update annually and maybe one or two minor bug fix updates after that.

That's laughable. Anyone who has had an iPhone since day one knows that.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

That's laughable. Anyone who has had an iPhone since day one knows that.

I would think most who have had an iPhone since day one would know nothing about Google's update cycle.

But yes, Apple's update cycle is a little more frequent than what was mentioned.

 

[TonyC28]

Know what my favorite thing about the Nexus One was?

The high resolution screen.

Is it really noticeable? If so, maybe I should care.

Speaking of updates. What defines a "major" update? Has Apple ever really had a major update to the iPhone OS? Or have they just been enhancements?

 

[TonyC28]

You haven't tired of proselytizing your decision to not upgrade to OS3.0 yet? I mean, I haven't been on this forum for about six months and you're still on this?

I learned a new word today

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Is it really noticeable? If so, maybe I should care.

Speaking of updates. What defines a "major" update? Has Apple ever really had a major update to the iPhone OS? Or have they just been enhancements?

It really is. I really hope Apple at least matches what the Nexus One is using.

As far as OS updates, I'd say no. The biggest thing to happen to iPhone OS was the App Store and that was an addition rather than an update.

 

[ajohnson253]

I was getting bored of if, so I went on to the AT&T google nexus one. Now I'm so glad that I switched back to a 3GS. I sold the 3GS to go to nexus 1, it definitely shocked me since I had higher expectations. Out of the box that phone is beautiful and does everything I'd want it to but not as smooth as I'm used to like the iPhone os or as easy actually which I really like. The wow factor was just the screen resolution which was higher then the iPhones. After 2 days or so I got used to it and actually missed the iPhones screen. I would be able to use the 3GS outdoor in bright weather as to the N1's screen which seemed to dim outdoors rather then be seen.

I really took the iPhones best features for granted realizing it, until I got the nexus. Now the 3GS is the only phone I am ever going to want or have (I now have the 3GS again) until the next gen is releases.

 

[WeegieMac]

I'm the guy from those other 2 threads.

If your iPhone 3G is running slow... it's not the iPhone, but rather the 3.0 software on it. The iPhone 3G slowed down so much after 3.0 came out. I've reverted back to 2.2.1 and my iPhone is almost just as fast as a 3GS. It's very responsive and hardly ever runs out of RAM.

2.2.1 is just about as nice as you can get on the 3G. Unfortunately, Apple ruined the 3G with the 3.0 update. It's pretty sad really.

Anyway, about iPhone boredom. I'm still using my iPhone, but I'm not really using it to it's full potential anymore. I've downgraded to pay-as-you-go and I've blocked data completely. The *only* third party app I have installed on it is "Things". I really only use it for texting, talking and iPod.

The only reason why I still use it is because I text my girlfriend a lot and I'm not going to want to do that with a number pad on a Razr.

The Spaz, MacRumors very own Firmware 2.2.1 spokesperson!

If I had the balls to jailbreak mine so I could go back to 2.2.1, I would ... but knowing my luck it would brick, honestly my luck IS that ****.

In all seriousness though, 3.0 added nothing to the firmware that should have slowed the 3G down in comparison to 2.2.1 that it has. Cut, Copy, and Paste and a landscape keyboard were the two main additions were they not, so how that justifies a slowdown compared to the previous firmware is beyond me. There was no changes in the interface look, so there's nothing major for the iPhone to process that it didn't in 2.2.1, yet the phone is noticeably slower.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

If I had the balls to jailbreak mine so I could go back to 2.2.1, I would ... but knowing my luck it would brick, honestly my luck IS that ****.

Seriously?

Is bricking even possible anymore?

On the downgrading note, I have a first gen on 2.2.1 and am thinking about taking it back to 1.1.4 for nostalgia's sake...

 

[Pared]

I would think most who have had an iPhone since day one would know nothing about Google's update cycle.

But yes, Apple's update cycle is a little more frequent than what was mentioned.

But that wasn't the silly comment I was responding to.

We aren't talking about a WinMo phone that has minimal updates maybe twice in its life-cycle. Apple has supported their device for almost 3 years now. iPhone 2G owners, despite the older hardware have been treated very well.

From what I've read, Google has been doing the same... but to downplay one or the other is just for the sake of argument. They've both done a good job.

 

[TheSpaz]

The Spaz, MacRumors very own Firmware 2.2.1 spokesperson!

If I had the balls to jailbreak mine so I could go back to 2.2.1, I would ... but knowing my luck it would brick, honestly my luck IS that ****.

In all seriousness though, 3.0 added nothing to the firmware that should have slowed the 3G down in comparison to 2.2.1 that it has. Cut, Copy, and Paste and a landscape keyboard were the two main additions were they not, so how that justifies a slowdown compared to the previous firmware is beyond me. There was no changes in the interface look, so there's nothing major for the iPhone to process that it didn't in 2.2.1, yet the phone is noticeably slower.

Quite simply, they optimized the 3.0 firmware for the 3GS. The 3GS is the first major hardware change between iPhones and iPod touch's so it's really the first time they've had to change the software to make it run on multiple major hardware differences.

I think 3.0 is more bloated, but the 3GS can handle the bloat no problem while the 3G suffers from it. They may have even done it on purpose to make sure people upgraded to the newest hardware.

My iPhone with 2.2.1 is just as responsive as a 3GS… it's just slightly slower at launching applications… but as far as scrolling, graphics effects, and animations, it's nice and fluid on 2.2.1.

I'm happy to miss out on copy and paste and landscape for a better user experience.

 

[Pared]

Quite simply, they optimized the 3.0 firmware for the 3GS. The 3GS is the first major hardware change between iPhones and iPod touch's so it's really the first time they've had to change the software to make it run on multiple major hardware differences.

I think 3.0 is more bloated, but the 3GS can handle the bloat no problem while the 3G suffers from it. They may have even done it on purpose to make sure people upgraded to the newest hardware.

My iPhone with 2.2.1 is just as responsive as a 3GS… it's just slightly slower at launching applications… but as far as scrolling, graphics effects, and animations, it's nice and fluid on 2.2.1.

I'm happy to miss out on copy and paste and landscape for a better user experience.

Do you really have to post this every single time you possibly can on the forum?

Anyone familiar with the boards knows this already. You'd think you'd get tired of reposting it after the 10th time. The person you're responding to even knows this already.

 

[TheSpaz]

Do you really have to post this every single time you possibly can on the forum?

Anyone familiar with the boards knows this already. You'd think you'd get tired of reposting it after the 10th time. The person you're responding to even knows this already.

He said that they added nothing to 3.0 that should cause the 3G to slow down like it does. It's not that they added stuff that slows the OS down, it's that they re-optimized it to perform better on the new hardware. Perhaps the animations and stuff were too fast on the fast hardware because they were previously optimized for slow hardware… now they had to slow it down some to make it look "normal" on the 3GS and now it looks "slow" on the iPhone 3G. I can't be certain that this is what they did, but it's the only thing that makes sense. Also, 3.0 uses more RAM than 2.x, so that has something to do with it too.

 

[beamer8912]

If your bored with the 3G then you will get bored with the 3GS as well. I don't think faster response time, a compass that doesn't work too well, and a video camera is going to keep you entertained for long. Just wait until the next iPhone comes out and see if theres something new and exciting about it. If there's not, then switch to Android. You would definitely regret upgrading to a 3GS right now.

What this guy said.

The 3GS was a nice spec upgrade, and a good video camera but paled in comparison to the 3G/App Store upgrade from the year before.

Steve Jobs has said that the next iPhone is going to be an A+ upgrade so I'd hold out for a while. I would expect Apple to once again set the bar far above the competition with this next iPhone.

 

[ajohnson253]

I wonder what Jobs really means when he says 'A+'. To hi, is that something major and a big deal? Is he trying to make something seem better than it really is, like the launch of the ipad it's a cool device but I expected something different just not an oversized iPod.

Hopefully though with this new gen iPhone I can really be like, yup definitely an A+ update.

 

[WeegieMac]

Quite simply, they optimized the 3.0 firmware for the 3GS. The 3GS is the first major hardware change between iPhones and iPod touch's so it's really the first time they've had to change the software to make it run on multiple major hardware differences.

I think 3.0 is more bloated, but the 3GS can handle the bloat no problem while the 3G suffers from it. They may have even done it on purpose to make sure people upgraded to the newest hardware.

My iPhone with 2.2.1 is just as responsive as a 3GS… it's just slightly slower at launching applications… but as far as scrolling, graphics effects, and animations, it's nice and fluid on 2.2.1.

I'm happy to miss out on copy and paste and landscape for a better user experience.

I read one of your guides on doing this and when it got to the stage you mentioned where you had to connect to a Windows machine to do something, I switched off.

I don't have a Windows PC in the home anymore, and haven't for a long time, so surely there's an easier Mac only way of doing the downgrade?

 

[TheSpaz]

I read one of your guides on doing this and when it got to the stage you mentioned where you had to connect to a Windows machine to do something, I switched off.

I don't have a Windows PC in the home anymore, and haven't for a long time, so surely there's an easier Mac only way of doing the downgrade?

You don't need a Windows machine to do the downgrade. You can also use the newest version of iTunes.

Okay... I've done this a few times and I have come up with a 100% way to downgrade from any 3.0/3.1 firmware back to 2.2.1 without hassles.

1. Download PwnageTool 2.2.5 for Mac
2. Follow the on-screen instructions to pwn your iPhone (make sure not to check "Activate iPhone")
3. Use PwnageTool to help you get in DFU mode and restore to your custom firmware.
4. Your iPhone should downgrade to 2.2.1 really easily with iTunes (any version)

You can either leave it at that (if you want to be jailbroken). Simply jailbreaking without installing Cydia or Installer would probably be fine for most people.

For those who wish not to be jailbroken, you still have to do the steps above in order to downgrade to a non-jailbroken iPhone.

Now we'll need to re-restore your iPhone to the official 2.2.1 firmware. Follow the next instructions:

5. Option-Click Restore and choose the *official* 2.2.1 firmware
6. It will look like it's installing 2.2.1, but it will finish with an error (If you have an iPhone 3G). This is normal... go onto step 7 to finish.

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Skip this gray part:
Here's the trickiest part. You need Windows for the next step. Note, this step is only for iPhone 3G users.

1. Download QuickPwn 2.2.5 for Windows and plug in your iPhone.
2. Now it will ask you to hold down Power and Home for 15 seconds. Do that.
3. Your iPhone will now boot up

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7. Download a command-line tool called "iRecovery" and install it.

8. Open Utilities>Terminal.app

9. Enter these commands (Note: Hit return after every line):

iRecovery -s
setenv auto-boot true
saveenv
fsboot

There you go.