Other iPhone Budget Models

[The-Real-Deal82]

It's also good for someone like me too since it could incorporate the X features (FaceID, minimal bezels, new ergonomic design, no home button) without being too expensive like the X is with the dual cameras, 3D Touch, OLED display, etc. I think Apple wants people to have access to FaceID, animojis, and gestures going forward with future phones outside the SE2. If the SE2 is just a smaller version of the X, I wouldn't mind buying that for $500 because I could role with a 720p+ display on a 4" size.

I like the thought of it but I just don’t think I could suddenly not have 3DTouch after using it for the past two years. I’m sure I’d find myself force pressing the keyboard all the time and then getting frustrated with tracking my finger through text to place the cursor where I need it. It’s annoying enough on an iPad but at least the large screen makes it easier on that. It seems a pretty useful feature to leave off and doesn’t make much sense to me other than Apple being a bit tight. The option using software to simulate 3DTouch would be good if true and they can still get the phone to vibrate to let the user feel like it’s got the same responsiveness.

It’s a device that is needed though as the X will never appeal to the mainstream and Apple need to be brave and put customers before absolute profits for once. Give us something to be s little bit excited about for once, it’s long overdue!

 

[PhoneMe1]

It’s a device that is needed though as the X will never appeal to the mainstream and Apple need to be brave and put customers before absolute profits for once. Give us something to be s little bit excited about for once, it’s long overdue!

It appeals to those that can afford it, those that can’t want it and winge about the price.

 

[apolloa]

I like the thought of it but I just don’t think I could suddenly not have 3DTouch after using it for the past two years. I’m sure I’d find myself force pressing the keyboard all the time and then getting frustrated with tracking my finger through text to place the cursor where I need it. It’s annoying enough on an iPad but at least the large screen makes it easier on that. It seems a pretty useful feature to leave off and doesn’t make much sense to me other than Apple being a bit tight. The option using software to simulate 3DTouch would be good if true and they can still get the phone to vibrate to let the user feel like it’s got the same responsiveness.

It’s a device that is needed though as the X will never appeal to the mainstream and Apple need to be brave and put customers before absolute profits for once. Give us something to be s little bit excited about for once, it’s long overdue!

I think it will have 3D Touch, I don’t think that’s a feature they could claim as a flagship one as every iPhone has it bar the SE. It would be a bit stupid to do so. If you want 3D Touch you’ve now got to spend a grand, or £700 for a now old 8 Plus etc.. would be a daft sales pitch.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It appeals to those that can afford it, those that can’t want it and winge about the price.

That’s just a stupid generalisation for you to make. Not everybody who has complained about the price does so because they can’t afford it.

I think you made that comment hoping to provoke rather than actually being honest. Nice try.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I thought no it will have 3D Touch, I don’t think that’s a feature they could claim as a flagship one as every iPhone has it bar the SE. It would be a bit stupid to do so. If you want 3D Touch you’ve now got to spend a grand, or £700 for a now old 8 Plus etc.. would be a daft sales pitch.

Yeah it’s a silly strategy if they want mainstream faceID adoption imo. The people who value 3DTouch will just buy cheaper older devices which just takes sales off the new iPhones they want bragging rights for.

 

[JPack]

He wasn’t sure if it, and every site reporting his opinions from what I’ve read don’t agree with him and think he’s wrong. He has been wrong before.

It's the second or third time Kuo mentioned no 3D Touch on the 6.1" model. I agree he could be wrong, but because he has provided very specific details on the 6.1" model, I really don't think he's off the mark.

• 320-330 PPI
  
• JDI supplying 70% of the 6.1" LCD orders
• Out-cell touch sensor (on cover glass)
• Mystery thin-film sensor replacing 3D Touch module

Kuo is suggesting software will replace the 3D Touch hardware. Using software isn't some groundbreaking technology, it's already been demonstrated 2 years ago.

 

[apolloa]

It's the second or third time Kuo mentioned no 3D Touch on the 6.1" model. I agree he could be wrong, but because he has provided very specific details on the 6.1" model, I really don't think he's off the mark.

• 320-330 PPI
  
• JDI supplying 70% of the 6.1" LCD orders
• Out-cell touch sensor (on cover glass)
• Mystery thin-film sensor replacing 3D Touch module

Kuo is suggesting software will replace the 3D Touch hardware. Using software isn't some groundbreaking technology, it's already been demonstrated 2 years ago.

I bet you he’s wrong, because Apple would have FOUR lower priced models and TWO higher priced models all with 3D Touch, and one in the middle without.

 

[nviz22]

It's the second or third time Kuo mentioned no 3D Touch on the 6.1" model. I agree he could be wrong, but because he has provided very specific details on the 6.1" model, I really don't think he's off the mark.

• 320-330 PPI
  
• JDI supplying 70% of the 6.1" LCD orders
• Out-cell touch sensor (on cover glass)
• Mystery thin-film sensor replacing 3D Touch module

Kuo is suggesting software will replace the 3D Touch hardware. Using software isn't some groundbreaking technology, it's already been demonstrated 2 years ago.

Google and HTC use the squeezable sides right now to get the Google Assistant to work. Android also uses software long presses to get shortcuts to appear. Kuo could be right because if you can use a display w/ a thin film to increase durability and lower costs, then why not consider it? 3D Touch, as much as I like it, is not irreplaceable. You can emulate it with different concepts; thus, you may see Apple phase it out eventually. I think it's too early to replace it because they spent the last 2.5 years getting people acclimated with the concept.

 

[44267547]

If Apple is going to keep the cost low or for the 6.1 LCD iPhone, I think 3D Touch is will be an avenue that they will make the necessary adjustments with the hardware and implement the software in place.
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I think it's too early to replace it because they spent the last 2.5 years getting people acclimated with the concept.

Acclimated with the concept of 3D Touch? How so? They don’t even market this technology and I’m willing to believe the majority of consumers have no idea how to fully take advantage of what 3D Touch even does, let alone all of its core functionality in the iPhone.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I would say your post is easily debatable. The iPhone SE was considered a ‘budget’ level entry iPhone and the 9.7 2017 iPad was also considered a ‘budget’ level entry iPad at $329.00. I Understand the word budget can be used loosely, but those are both priced affordably and at the lowest offering in Apples lineup for an iPhone and iPad.

The SE is cheap but not that cheap. There are cheaper android phones that I would considered budget. You can buy laptops for the same price as the entry SE in the UK.

 

[nviz22]

If Apple is going to keep the cost low or for the 6.1 LCD iPhone, I think 3D Touch is will be an avenue that they will make the necessary adjustments with the hardware and implement the software in place.
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Acclimated with the concept of 3D Touch? How so? They don’t even market this technology and I’m willing to believe the majority of consumers have no idea how to fully take advantage of what 3D Touch even does, let alone all of its core functionality in the iPhone.

You have to use 3D Touch to clear out all your notifications. Some features like peek and pop exist w/ 3D Touch. I just said acclimating people, not the masses being aware about it.

 

[apolloa]

You have to use 3D Touch to clear out all your notifications. Some features like peek and pop exist w/ 3D Touch. I just said acclimating people, not the masses being aware about it.

I think 3D Touch is more important in a phone with no home button.

 

[JPack]

I bet you he’s wrong, because Apple would have FOUR lower priced models and TWO higher priced models all with 3D Touch, and one in the middle without.

Which lower price models? iPhone 7 and 8?

The lower price models are all old designs from 2017 and before. The 2018 iPhone models are all newer thin-bezel with Face ID. From a consumer's view, 3D Touch is nice to have, but the 6.1" model wins hearts and minds due to the form factor, Face ID, and A12. Software simulated 3D Touch is probably good enough for most users.

Think of the iPad (2018). Unlike the iPad mini 4 or iPad Pro, it doesn't have a laminated display. But the 9.7" display combined with A10 and Pencil support wins over consumers.

 

[nviz22]

I think 3D Touch is more important in a phone with no home button.

I rather take FaceID and gestures than 3D Touch, that's for sure. My iPad doesn't have 3D Touch. Doesn't mean it's not going to be used any more or any less.

 

[apolloa]

I rather take FaceID and gestures than 3D Touch, that's for sure. My iPad doesn't have 3D Touch. Doesn't mean it's not going to be used any more or any less.

Your iPad has a home button though. As per my comment, it’s more important without a home button.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I rather take FaceID and gestures than 3D Touch, that's for sure. My iPad doesn't have 3D Touch. Doesn't mean it's not going to be used any more or any less.

I’m the opposite of that at this point. FaceID doesn’t interest me at all but a feature I use every time I use my phone like 3DTouch does. The lack of it would be a deal breaker and if there isn’t a satisfactory alternative on the iPhone, I simply won’t buy it.

Neither of us are absolutely right here, it’s personal preference.

 

[44267547]

Which lower price models? iPhone 7 and 8?

The lower price models are all old designs from 2017 and before. The 2018 iPhone models are all newer thin-bezel with Face ID. From a consumer's view, 3D Touch is nice to have, but the 6.1" model wins hearts and minds due to the form factor, Face ID, and A12. Software simulated 3D Touch is probably good enough for most users..

If I had to put my perspective into an average consumers mind, I would also be willing to believe they don’t care about features with A12 processor or even 3D Touch doesn’t seem to be used as much, because many have no idea what it does or how to fully take advantage of if. The consumer is going to be looking at the price point First, which is going to be cheaper than the 5.8 iPhone. Aesthetics are nice, but the cheaper offering is the real seller coupled with Face ID into the newer form factor.
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The SE is cheap but not that cheap. There are cheaper android phones that I would considered budget. You can buy laptops for the same price as the entry SE in the UK.

Right, but in terms of what Apple offers, The SE is the cheapest iPhone they have ever offered in their lineup (Which, Android would not be an option if someone didn’t want to abandon iOS). Not to mention, in the US, the iPhone SE can be purchased for as $150.00 new.

 

[darngooddesign]

How likely will Apple release a big screen budget device with an iPhone X concept? Concept meaning no home button, no TouchID, gestured based, and high aspect ratios/minimal bezels?

Those are the things which make the phone expensive. Currently the SE and 6S are Apple's budget phones.

 

[nviz22]

Those are the things which make the phone expensive. Currently the SE and 6S are Apple's budget phones.

But you can give some of that with trade offs like 3D Touch and dual cameras. It’s tough to justify staying with iOS right now because when I see Android One, I see devices with modern flagship concepts at affordable pricing. The new Moto G6 has minimal bezels with a great aspect ratio around $250.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

But you can give some of that with trade offs like 3D Touch and dual cameras. It’s tough to justify staying with iOS right now because when I see Android One, I see devices with modern flagship concepts at affordable pricing. The new Moto G6 has minimal bezels with a great aspect ratio around $250.

That’s because unlike a lot of mobile OEM’s, Apple doesn’t just make a profit, they make a killing.

We wait patiently for them to catch up and adopt Android features for iOS and the hardware, and they put a heavy markup on it and tell us it’s revolutionary. It’s the Apple way and if I didn’t like iOS so much I’d be using Android again by now.

 

[nviz22]

That’s because unlike a lot of mobile OEM’s, Apple doesn’t just make a profit, they make a killing.

We wait patiently for them to catch up and adopt Android features for iOS and the hardware, and they put a heavy markup on it and tell us it’s revolutionary. It’s the Apple way and if I didn’t like iOS so much I’d be using Android again by now.

It really discourages budget people like me. Apple keeps pushing to squeeze more out of people for a very minimal upgrade. Same with Samsung. Except Apple gives you something. Samsungs just deteriorate over short time spans.

I will probably wait till WWDC to see what I do next, but I am definitely leaning towards buying a Pixel 2XL on a steep discount or going Sony Xperia XZ2 Compact/OnePlus 6/Android One. I need value out of my devices going forward. Google seems like my best bet.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It really discourages budget people like me. Apple keeps pushing to squeeze more out of people for a very minimal upgrade. Same with Samsung. Except Apple gives you something. Samsungs just deteriorate over short time spans.

I will probably wait till WWDC to see what I do next, but I am definitely leaning towards buying a Pixel 2XL on a steep discount or going Sony Xperia XZ2 Compact/OnePlus 6/Android One. I need value out of my devices going forward. Google seems like my best bet.

I have looked into trying android but I have an Apple Watch and iPad which I enjoy the continuity between in terms of iMessage and fitness apps.

I think in September when my contract is up i’ll either get an iPhone 8 or keep my 6S until it goes to tech heaven. I’m not paying a grand for a phone or settling for a cheaper all screen version skimping on features. My days of needing the latest and greatest and being excited about iPhone releases are over.

 

[nviz22]

I have looked into trying android but I have an Apple Watch and iPad which I enjoy the continuity between in terms of iMessage and fitness apps.

I think in September when my contract is up i’ll either get an iPhone 8 or keep my 6S until it goes to tech heaven. I’m not paying a grand for a phone or settling for a cheaper all screen version skimping on features. My days of needing the latest and greatest and being excited about iPhone releases are over.

8 will still cost a pretty penny, especially in Europe with VAT and currency differences. I am cool with staying on iOS with my iPad. iPads dominate the tablet market because I don’t need a high end computer like the Surface since I have my Mac. I am probably 80/20 going to Android again. It’s just do I cave into pressure and avoid waiting for the Pixel 3 or do I go Pixel 3 and trade my iPhone 8+ in? Gotta try the Xperia XZ2 Compact soon.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

8 will still cost a pretty penny, especially in Europe with VAT and currency differences. I am cool with staying on iOS with my iPad. iPads dominate the tablet market because I don’t need a high end computer like the Surface since I have my Mac. I am probably 80/20 going to Android again. It’s just do I cave into pressure and avoid waiting for the Pixel 3 or do I go Pixel 3 and trade my iPhone 8+ in? Gotta try the Xperia XZ2 Compact soon.

I’ve checked on U Switch and the 8 is now priced similarly to what my 6S cost with a lot more data included. I’m comfortable paying that and wouldn’t pay more than £30 p/m going forward. Contrast that to an X and the cheapest contract is £58 p/m and £500 upfront for the phone!

I think although I’m tempted now by Android offerings I will wait until Apple forces my hand with rising prices. I think buying older devices is the key to saving lots of money without sacrificing the experience.

 

[nviz22]

I’ve checked on U Switch and the 8 is now priced similarly to what my 6S cost with a lot more data included. I’m comfortable paying that and wouldn’t pay more than £30 p/m going forward. Contrast that to an X and the cheapest contract is £58 p/m and £500 upfront for the phone!

I think although I’m tempted now by Android offerings I will wait until Apple forces my hand with rising prices. I think buying older devices is the key to saving lots of money without sacrificing the experience.

You're probably in a similar boat to me: You want a high caliber experience with timely software updates, top notch hardware (no pun intended nor a reference to the X), little to no trade offs or compromises, and something within reason.

I am looking to buy a year old device too because it doesn't make a huge difference between the processors or performance. The Pixel and Pixel XL still perform well with a 821 processor. The 835 processor w/ the Pixel 2 and 2XL will outperform the Galaxy S9 or S9+ once Android P comes out fully on both devices. If you're going iPhone, go for the 8+. You'll appreciate the better camera, the larger screen, the beefier battery.