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US cell service is sucks if you compare to Europe, some countries in Asia and even South America. It doesn't make sense. The most powerful and richest country in the world with a bad cell service. Go figure.
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You are a lucky dude!
US cell service is sucks if you compare to Europe, some countries in Asia and even South America. It doesn't make sense. The most powerful and richest country in the world with a bad cell service. Go figure.
Great Post Brian...
I too have visited this forum daily to read the messages (as well as TS, AI, and MDN).. I do not post at any of these sites however because unless one totally worships at the alter of Jobs, they are labeled a "troll"...
I switched to the Mac several years ago for my home use and have never looked back. QUite an enjoyable experience after being on a Dell laptop all day at work...
But the Mac is not perfect, and neither is the iPhone. To point of deficiencies of this device doesn't make me (or any human on this planet) a "troll", an "astroturfer" , or a "MSFanboy"...
Unfortunately, most of the posters on this forum can handle NO negative opinion regarding anything Apple, .. You're either 100% behind everything Apple does, or you're a troll....
There is no crime in pointing out what I see as deficiencies in this device (no changeable battery, No ability to interface with corporate networks etc)... These are serious concerns that need to be pointed out. Yet if you point it out, you're a troll... No, the big concern here at MR is not functionality, but whether it has games and cool ring tones.... (any noise that alerts me that I have a call is fine for me and if I was a gamer, I surely wouldn't have a Mac in the 1st place)
That all said, I will be buying one Friday. It will replace my iPod and I will use it for personal use (I still will need my Blackberry at work to get my business email)....
What's the quality like on your Macbook/Macbook Pro/iMac camera?
Mine's great.
Spot on. I have Canon S1 IS 3.2 MP camera. We have several times taken pictures of our research group and my camera beats the crap out of several other camera that have higher MP. Canon optics are very good (besides Nikon). Everybody gets amazed why my camera's resolution is so good even when we have printed the picture to 18 X 12 size! yes with 3.2 MP.
i think apple very nicely thought into this to keep the size of file small, get good res pictures at 2MP with finer optics that have better quality then cramming higher MP in the camera.
You are a lucky dude!
US cell service is sucks if you compare to Europe, some countries in Asia and even South America. It doesn't make sense. The most powerful and richest country in the world with a bad cell service. Go figure.
what exactly are you basing "most powerful and richest" on?
according to The world factbook (via Wikipedia) the US had a deficit of $862,300,000,000 in 2006.
and according to wikipedia, China has the largest number of ACTIVE troops, while Iran has the largest number of TOTAL troops. in terms of Nukes, the Russians beat you both in "active" (by about 100 or so) and in "total" (by about 6000 or so).
i might also point out that you are 96 (out of 121) in the Global Peace Index. The way you keep waging wars, it wont be long before #122 swaps places with you. guess who that is? Iran.
come on dude, do I have to explain?
I am not american, I just live in the USA. So I am not a patriotic freak.
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come on dude, do I have to explain?
I am not american, I just live in the USA. So I am not a patriotic freak.
yes actually. i added some figures i found, to my previous post. just can't quite work out what it is you base that claim on really. clearly its not mobile phone coverage
I'm with you. If it can't bluetooth to my car and give me real-time diagnostics, I'm not getting one either.
deficiencies. everyone's complaining about deficiencies. it can't do this, it can't do that, blah blah blah. look, the bottom line is that it will not please everyone. it does not have every feature to appeal to everyone...what you view as a deficiency, i view as so-what? what i may see as a deficiency someone else may view as so-what?
apple has not touted it as a business/enterprise device and they seem to be the majority of complainers b/c it can't sync with work exchange servers. i don't care since i refuse to use exchange at my work...
i'm not bashing you b/c i think the iphone is perfect or think one cannot criticize apple...there are a lot of things i wish the iphone could do as well. but seriously, so much criticism about something you haven't even had a chance to use yet. buy it, use it, and if it works for you, great. if not, then use something else - no one's forcing you to buy an iphone. stay with blackberry or something else that better suits you...
I suspect this setting is to disable the automatic checking of mail (ie check manually only). I hope you're right but I suspect not. Either way we'll find out in a few short days!
I wonder when Apple will post the iPhone's user manual online?
Apple is not known for creating new features. They making features that have been used before work extremely well and simple.
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I watched the video twice and was thoroughly blown away. I think the CNBC types are missing a big point--the user interface. A lot of people who've never been on a Mac are going to be exposed to an amazingly simple-to-use interface. I think that's the big selling point of the iPhone.
Yes, other phones can do a lot of what the iPhone will do, but clunky interfaces discourage using the options. My non-technie sister has had a camera cell phone for two years and has just recently figured out how to use the voice mail feature. She has no idea how to use the camera or any other features on her phone--it's just too complicated for her. The iPhone is pure Mac--intuitive. Any idiot is going to be able to use all the features and feel like a tech genius.
Watching the video I had the feeling that the capabilities were akin to magic. And I'm a 25-year plus computer user. Imagine what the non-tech person is going to think? It WILL look like magic to them.
It occurs to me that similar videos for other Apple products, especially computers, might help non-Apple people understand why we're such fans.
I watched the video twice and was thoroughly blown away. I think the CNBC types are missing a big point--the user interface. A lot of people who've never been on a Mac are going to be exposed to an amazingly simple-to-use interface. I think that's the big selling point of the iPhone.
Yes, other phones can do a lot of what the iPhone will do, but clunky interfaces discourage using the options. My non-technie sister has had a camera cell phone for two years and has just recently figured out how to use the voice mail feature. She has no idea how to use the camera or any other features on her phone--it's just too complicated for her. The iPhone is pure Mac--intuitive. Any idiot is going to be able to use all the features and feel like a tech genius.
Watching the video I had the feeling that the capabilities were akin to magic. And I'm a 25-year plus computer user. Imagine what the non-tech person is going to think? It WILL look like magic to them.
It occurs to me that similar videos for other Apple products, especially computers, might help non-Apple people understand why we're such fans.
And posting a reply to your own post proves what? There are plenty of people here, some of our most prolific members, Stella for example, who constantly criticize Apple, some valid, some not so much. None of these people are labeled trolls. The fact is, that posts made are ridiculous and take things far out of context in the interest of making an invalid point. That is what makes it trolling.
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Well, you can call it what you like. To me, a troll is simply a person who visits discussion groups for the purpose to starting trouble. Period...
Considering in a the last few years I purchased 3 ibooks and 1 macbook for my wife and children, .. 1 macbook, 1 intel mini, a 2 gig nano, and an old G4 for myself (which I have recently upgraded to dual G4's) - I'm going to take a wild guess and say I have more apple devices than 90% of the fanboys here.
I will indeed be buying an iphone on Friday, but it is a disappointment that I absolutely will not be permitted to use it on my company'snetwork. It doesnt have the ability to snyc with many corporate networks....
And after I buy this thing, I unfortunately will still have to carry my Blackberry in my other pocket for business related email and access to all other materials on the corporate Notes server.
That Sir, is not being a troll, that's reality. This is, IMO, a valid criticism of the device which I would like to see Apple address this by (1) adding the ability to work with Exchange, Notes, etc or (2) by adding a new phone to the line up called the "iPhone Business" with everything except the iPod and added connectivity (and in the $299-$399 range to make them more attractive for businesses)..
Unlike many here I just can't say, "WOOOO HOOOO It's the BEST phone ever because Steve Said so!!! GOOOOO Apple Wooo Hoooo. If you say it's not, you're a troll - an Apple Hater - A MS Fanboy or a Astroturfer". That's nonsense and childish.
Well, you can call it what you like. To me, a troll is simply a person who visits discussion groups for the purpose to starting trouble. Period...
Considering in a the last few years I purchased 3 ibooks and 1 macbook for my wife and children, .. 1 macbook, 1 intel mini, a 2 gig nano, and an old G4 for myself (which I have recently upgraded to dual G4's) - I'm going to take a wild guess and say I have more apple devices than 90% of the fanboys here.
I will indeed be buying an iphone on Friday, but it is a disappointment that I absolutely will not be permitted to use it on my company'snetwork. It doesnt have the ability to snyc with many corporate networks....
And after I buy this thing, I unfortunately will still have to carry my Blackberry in my other pocket for business related email and access to all other materials on the corporate Notes server.
That Sir, is not being a troll, that's reality. This is, IMO, a valid criticism of the device which I would like to see Apple address this by (1) adding the ability to work with Exchange, Notes, etc or (2) by adding a new phone to the line up called the "iPhone Business" with everything except the iPod and added connectivity (and in the $299-$399 range to make them more attractive for businesses)..
Unlike many here I just can't say, "WOOOO HOOOO It's the BEST phone ever because Steve Said so!!! GOOOOO Apple Wooo Hoooo. If you say it's not, you're a troll - an Apple Hater - A MS Fanboy or a Astroturfer". That's nonsense and childish.
That's where other companies come in and supply those to the iPhone masses...
The accessories... oh the accessories...
Brian, nobody's saying everyone here has to "drool" over everything that Apple does (I regularly ask "Why is Apple doing this" or "not doing that"... In fact, I asked why NO GAMES in this same thread. It's HOW you did it that riled me and several others up. It seemed very deliberate.
Sure, it doesn't have GPS and a lot of other "deal-breaking" features that you have to have. But neither did the iPod (I've owned about 10, by the way) -- But Apple has to start somewhere. Early adopters will pave the way for VERSION 2 of this thing to be just that much better.
If you've had 4 iPods, I'm surprised:
A. ... that you wouldn't be a huge fan of this thing. It's an iPod on steroids.
B. ... that you wouldn't understand that Apple can't just put every single thing in there. ACT II would be impossible to come up with and their business depends on the next revision to be that much better.
Buy an iPhone or don't. Your call. But don't think you're going to waltz in to our board that we care about and slam for the sake of slamming (ON YOUR FIRST AND ONLY POST, NO LESS) and think you're not going to get called a Troll. I was not at all surprised that a couple of others called you that too. Perhaps you need to reread your original post and maybe try to see where we were/are coming from. A person's first post on a forum should be a little more constructive, in my opinion. If you want respect, you have to respect the board first.
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WOW, so many problems in that response...
1. Good for you that you have all these wonderful macs and apple products, that doesn't give you anymore credibility than someone who just has an iPod shuffle.
2. If it's so disappointing that the iPhone won't work on your company's network, DON'T BUY IT!! Don't try to make the iPhone a weak piece of technology because it won't work with your business network.
3. As for the "iPhone business" idea, uh... yeah, take away the iPod feature (which is a 6th gen iPod inside the iPhone), good luck with that selling a lot, ha!
4. Lastly, although I have not looked at every single post on this website, I don't believe anyone has said, "WOOOO HOOOO It's the BEST phone ever because Steve Said so!!! GOOOOO Apple Wooo Hoooo." There are many who are in love with the iPhone (including myself), but I think we know how to conduct ourselves better than that.
Anyone that gets to this point, I will buy them an iPhone...
JUST KIDDING, WOOOO HOOOOO!!! HAHA!!!
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And you're an non-thinking Fanboy... Apple could introduce a combination Refrigerator-iPod tomorrow for $20,000 and "followers" like you would be racing how revolutionary it is...
Judging from how immature your posts are, I seriously doubt Mommy will buy you an iPhone anyway...
Please Ban and Delete me now. I've seen enough of you moron. Get back to your circle jerk. Woooo Hooo Steve.. Ballmar is SCARED!!!! MS is TOAST!!!!! I just know it!!!!!!! Those are Facts!!! Wooo Hooo.
But don't think you're going to waltz in to our board that we care about and slam for the sake of slamming (ON YOUR FIRST AND ONLY POST, NO LESS) and think you're not going to get called a Troll. I was not at all surprised that a couple of others called you that too. Your post reeked of trollism.
And you're an non-thinking Fanboy... Apple could introduce a combination Refrigerator-iPod tomorrow for $20,000 and "followers" like you would be racing how revolutionary it is...
Judging from how immature your posts are, I seriously doubt Mommy will buy you an iPhone anyway...
Please Ban and Delete me now. I've seen enough of you moron. Get back to your circle jerk. Woooo Hooo Steve.. Ballmar is SCARED!!!! MS is TOAST!!!!! I just know it!!!!!!! Those are Facts!!! Wooo Hooo.
Wow. You talk about about how immature my posts are. Interesting. They looked nothing like this one. I'm 41 by the way and my family's income is over $100K a year.
Also, we're actually in agreement about one thing: I seriously doubt my mother will buy me anything either. She passed away from Cancer in 2003. Thanks for the reminder.
Back to the main thread title -- "iPhone site re-design"
This probably has been mentioned somewhere, but, anyone ever notice that on apple's main webpage (www.apple.com) the iPhone in the lower right corner hasn't been updated to include the new youtube icon....? That's a blatant omission!
This probably has been mentioned somewhere, but, anyone ever notice that on apple's main webpage (www.apple.com) the iPhone in the lower right corner hasn't been updated to include the new youtube icon....? That's a blatant omission!
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Maybe not with many here on the MR. I am single, so by myself I have an iMac G4, an iMac G5 20", a PB 12" G4, and two Macbooks (a broken screen within the first two weeks of buying the first MacBook brought me to buy the second one, cheaper than getting the screen replaced <mad>). And I won't begin to count my iPods. To be honest with the addition of my second MacBook, the iMac G4 and the PB 12' will probably be looking for new homes shortly.
I am struggling on whether to buy the iPhone myself. Not for the reasons you mentioned. Keep in mind no matter how much we want the iPhone to be a PDA replacement, its market is as an iPod with cell phone and web browsing capabilities. As such it hits it mark.
As a pleasure traveler, the iPhone would let me leave behind my iPod and perhaps on some trips my MacBook. But as a pleasure traveler, the lack of GPS stinks for me. Also the 8GB memory limitation is a neg to me. I would love to have had the ability to use MicroSD cards to customize my usage. A card for work with PDF's, and a card with maybe photos to share with family and friends when I them.
But as a long time Apple user, I know that Apple prefers a closed system to limit support issues. A memory card slot would/could have increased support issues down the road.
Is/was the ability to make it more of a PDA there? Yes IMO. My needs at work for the iPhone are different from yours. What I need is the ability to look at PDF's easily. Given that OS X allows "printing" to a PDF, a Preview app and folders would have been great.
My desire is for the iPhone to be the first cell phone to nativly support tethering with a MacBook. But again you and I may be looking for something that the iPhone is not currently meant to be.
Following the 80/20 rule, the iPhone may just be the "best cell phone ever" for the average consumer. Sort of why the 80/20 rule applies to the Blackberry for business users, and we have "crackberry" users....
We have already seen some enterprising people come up with shopping list apps, and a favorite apps (web pages) web based solutions for the iPhone. So I do have hope that the iPhone might work for me, only if I can get past paying the price for it NOT having GPS. LOL
I don't solicit you approval any more than I solicit your advice. I issued two opinions - one professional and the other personal.
As someone who has worked on national advertising campaigns for more than 14 years, I expressed my professional opinion that the video was boring and the talent choice poor. If you liked it... great. As for me, it was short of the high mark that Apple has established on previous offerings. This is a flagship product. Hire a celebrity or some slick presenter rather than a dweeb with a speech problem. My position is that he is not in line with the Apple brand image.
On the personal level, the opinion I stated is that it seems more like a Rube Goldberg machine than a phone. The hallmark of Apple design is simple and elegant controls. Based on my viewing of the video, it seems convoluted.
Not in the initial post but in my follow-up I indicated that I expected more. For all the hype, it is nothing more than we were lead to believe - a phone/iPod. Thus far, there are no gee whiz features. I was hoping for the ultimate not the expected.
Someone stated earlier that Apple isn't known for developing technology but taking established features and making them elegant. I disagree. Apple is a leader in industrial design, marketing, software design, etc, etc. Based on what I have seen, my opinion is that they cut this one short.
If you have questions about my statements, ask. If you question my motives, ask. Your response was an emotional outburst based on your own prejudice against anyone who doesn't drink the Kool-Aid.
I am anxious to see and touch the product. Perhaps that will convince me to buy one. Until then I will remain unsold.
How about the FM Radio remote?
I'm curious if they're going to make provision to use the iPod Radio Remote? Actually, it would be cool if they were to build that in, as well. At $49(US), it's a bit pricey, but then again, almost any accesory from Apple gets pricey. But, having FM availability would be cool, and building in a $49 product would help a little in justifying spending that much.
[Edit] After seeing some of the reviews on that page, maybe that particular device is only so-so in quality, but still... FM capabilities is what I'd like to see. Hell, even AM, too (I do tune into some talk shows and ball games on AM from time to time in the car... would like to be able to take it with me outside of the car).
I'm curious if they're going to make provision to use the iPod Radio Remote? Actually, it would be cool if they were to build that in, as well. At $49(US), it's a bit pricey, but then again, almost any accesory from Apple gets pricey. But, having FM availability would be cool, and building in a $49 product would help a little in justifying spending that much.
[Edit] After seeing some of the reviews on that page, maybe that particular device is only so-so in quality, but still... FM capabilities is what I'd like to see. Hell, even AM, too (I do tune into some talk shows and ball games on AM from time to time in the car... would like to be able to take it with me outside of the car).