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Irishman

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Nov 2, 2006
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Oh great. Are we supposed to pretend Apple hasn't have had a dozen or more failed products now?

Did I suggest that? Please make sure you've read what I actually write.

Words mean things. It's important to get it right before you type.

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Unless I'm misunderstanding you isn't that what Samsung is doing? Their galaxy line is evolving similar to that of the iPhone but quicker IMO. Meanwhile they have other products. The Note line which was popular and evolving Note, Note 2 and soon Note 3.

Now they are trying something different with a larger phone. If it works it works, if not its not like they don't have the Galaxy and Note.

If Apple ever made a crappy iPhone (just for example) then they are SOL. Their entire phone product line would be dead.

To me it seems like Samsung knows exactly what they are doing and so far its worked. And if it doesn't one day, maybe with this mega phone then so what. Lost some money for sure but they have plenty of phones to fall back on.

Yes, that is what Samsung is doing.

I'm saying that the strategy stems from a basic misunderstanding BY Samsung of why the original Galaxy phone was popular.
 

Toltepeceno

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I'm quite happy with my tiny iPhone 4 thank you very much! No jealousy here. It was a joke Joyce. :p

No, a larger car has to do with environmental irresponsibility, a different kettle of fish altogether!

A large phablet is not for me, but that doesn't mean it's not right for others. I see people loving them on public transport, if they can get a seat!

I understand gertrude.;) I just don't get the people obsessed with what someone else gets. People wear different size gloves, stands to reason they like different size phones.

Maybe with the car, some can't fit in sub compact's though....like me.
 

ijohn.8.80

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I understand gertrude.;) I just don't get the people obsessed with what someone else gets. People wear different size gloves, stands to reason they like different size phones.

Maybe with the car, some can't fit in sub compact's though....like me.

"Joke Joyce" is another bizarre Aussie saying.

I don't get the rampant fanboyism on the forums. You are right, each to their own. Personally, I like the idea of individuality and freedom of choice!

You need a muscle car then! Heaps of room there. :cool:
 

macman34

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The Galaxy Mega is outdated, the Samsung Galaxy Monstrosity (TM) is the best phone money can buy. And by best I mean biggest.

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I loled so hard with this!!!

Comes with a dna kit to tinker with the pituitary gland a bit so one gets to really enjoy this phone with a nice case of acromegalia.
 

Toltepeceno

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"Joke Joyce" is another bizarre Aussie saying.

I don't get the rampant fanboyism on the forums. You are right, each to their own. Personally, I like the idea of individuality and freedom of choice!

You need a muscle car then! Heaps of room there. :cool:

Ah, not familiar with the term.

I did visit perth way back there in the USN and ran into a lot of aussie sailors many places like the philippines. Great guys, you couldn't walk past a table of them without having a beer. We used to get together and gang up on the limeys.:)
 

hyteckit

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Jul 29, 2007
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Psshh.. wait until Samsung comes out the the Galaxy Titan 7" phone next year. It will totally dwarf the iPhone.
 

ChrisTX

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I like Samsung a lot but I'm disappointed they're following this ridiculous trend of making tablet sized phones. The Note II is pretty much the limit, it's just getting stupid now.

The only problem is that every iteration of the Note gets bigger, and bigger. Yet more, and more popular. I do agree there has to be a limit somewhere, but something tells me these 2 new "mega" devices from Samsung are testers to see which of the 2 is more popular. The winner becomes the size of the Note 3.

Psshh.. wait until Samsung comes out the the Galaxy Titan 7" phone next year. It will totally dwarf the iPhone.
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hyteckit

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Unless I'm misunderstanding you isn't that what Samsung is doing? Their galaxy line is evolving similar to that of the iPhone but quicker IMO. Meanwhile they have other products. The Note line which was popular and evolving Note, Note 2 and soon Note 3.

Now they are trying something different with a larger phone. If it works it works, if not its not like they don't have the Galaxy and Note.

If Apple ever made a crappy iPhone (just for example) then they are SOL. Their entire phone product line would be dead.

To me it seems like Samsung knows exactly what they are doing and so far its worked. And if it doesn't one day, maybe with this mega phone then so what. Lost some money for sure but they have plenty of phones to fall back on.


Diversifying your product line might gain you marketshare.

However, it's costly to make, maintain, and market. Sourcing parts for 1 product is a lot cheaper and easier than sourcing parts for 10 different products.

There's a reason why Apple makes over 250% more than Samsung does from smartphones.

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The only problem is that every iteration of the Note gets bigger, and bigger. Yet more, and more popular. I do agree there has to be a limit somewhere, but something tells me these 2 new "mega" devices from Samsung are testers to see which of the 2 is more popular. The winner becomes the size of the Note 3.

That's an awful guage. The Note is a unique product not just because of its size, but because it has the s pen. Thus it's called the Note.

That's like saying more and more people want smaller phones and tablets because iPhones sell more and more each year, and the iPad Mini is selling tons.

Different market segments for different customer base.

I bought the Note 2 for the s pen, not the size. Note 2 is too big as a phone and too small as a tablet. I would prefer a 8" note, but not as a smartphone replacement.
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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Did I suggest that? Please make sure you've read what I actually write.

Words mean things. It's important to get it right before you type.


When someone said "so what if it fails" then you said.

Samsung SHOULD be able to know without shipping the damn thing!

Then you said Samsung should take a lesson from Apple.

One thing that Apple does do that Samsung could take a lesson from is they do the majority of their testing and development in-house (Apple Maps and Siri notwithstanding), especially for expensive hardware like a new handset.

I was under the impression that you thought Apple would have done differently by having a less of a "see what sticks" approach. When in fact that is how Apple got to where they are today but along the way the roadsides are littered with failed devices and software.

Maybe I'm still misunderstanding what you said. Since I am can you explain what you mean to me?
 

Irishman

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When someone said "so what if it fails" then you said.



Then you said Samsung should take a lesson from Apple.



I was under the impression that you thought Apple would have done differently by having a less of a "see what sticks" approach. When in fact that is how Apple got to where they are today but along the way the roadsides are littered with failed devices and software.

Maybe I'm still misunderstanding what you said. Since I am can you explain what you mean to me?

The fact that Apple has had and continues to have failed products does not mean they do not have (primarily since Jobs' return in 1997) a tremendous focus and simplification of their product lines. I mean, he**, one of the FIRST things the man did was to eliminate the dozens of Mac skus being sold and to simplify the Mac lines into two - desktop and laptop, and 3 levels - good, better, best. This philosophy, strategy, whatever you want to call it, has served them well for 14+ years.

Samsung is now making some of the same mistakes Apple sans Jobs did - clutter up the lines, confusing the average consumer with "choices" that just cost developmental resources, manpower, supply chain, labor dollars, the whole manufacturing ball of wax - instead of honing and fine-tuning the few products that have caught the publics' eye in a major way, and profiting more in the process.

Apple is at its best and truest to itself when it is making those few things that they can make extremely well and profitably. Their R&D labs are full of products that will never see the light of day - rightfully so - because they don't make sense for this or that reason. Samsung could learn THAT lesson (not to beta-test products on the public and confuse smartphone buyers with questionable features and crowded product lines).

Does my position make more sense now?
 
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cynics

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The fact that Apple has had and continues to have failed products does not mean they do not have (primarily since Jobs' return in 1997) a tremendous focus and simplification of their product lines. I mean, he**, one of the FIRST things the man did was to eliminate the dozens of Mac skus being sold and to simplify the Mac lines into two - desktop and laptop, and 3 levels - good, better, best. This philosophy, strategy, whatever you want to call it, has served them well for 14+ years.

Samsung is now making some of the same mistakes Apple sans Jobs did - clutter up the lines, confusing the average consumer with "choices" that just cost developmental resources, manpower, supply chain, labor dollars, the whole manufacturing ball of wax - instead of honing and fine-tuning the few products that have caught the publics' eye in a major way, and profiting more in the process.

Apple is at its best and truest to itself when it is making those few things that they can make extremely well and profitably. Their R&D labs are full of products that will never see the light of day - rightfully so - because they don't make sense for this or that reason. Samsung could learn THAT lesson (not to beta-test products on the public and confuse smartphone buyers with questionable features and crowded product lines).

Does my position make more sense now?

Makes perfect sense.

However I think they are fine tuning there successful product lines. Galaxy, Note, HDTV Series, even their appliance lines. I even think they are doing it faster and better then Apple. I was gonna buy a new iMac until the specs were released. No optic drive? No thanks.

At the same time they (Samsung) are trying new things.
 

Lindsford

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Mar 14, 2012
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Makes perfect sense.

However I think they are fine tuning there successful product lines. Galaxy, Note, HDTV Series, even their appliance lines. I even think they are doing it faster and better then Apple. I was gonna buy a new iMac until the specs were released. No optic drive? No thanks.

At the same time they (Samsung) are trying new things.

When Samsung first began to take over HDTV market they had Numbered 3-9 Series LCDs. Essentially 7-13 different models with different sizes.
Now, they have multiple lines within each line, they like to clutter the market, and rely heavily on their name even if it's a sub-par product with a Samsung logo slapped on top of it.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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When Samsung first began to take over HDTV market they had Numbered 3-9 Series LCDs. Essentially 7-13 different models with different sizes.
Now, they have multiple lines within each line, they like to clutter the market, and rely heavily on their name even if it's a sub-par product with a Samsung logo slapped on top of it.

And if Apple made HDTV's I'd be forced to get all everything or nothing. Basically pay for stuff I don't want and not have an option for things I do want.

I really don't see how Samsung "clutters" the market. If someone is brain dead or just to lazy to do a couple minutes of research it could seem overwhelming.

Regardless of how I feel you said "When Samsung first began to take over HDTV market" in a conversation of how their business model isn't good. Unless taking over the market is a bad business model?
 

Irishman

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Nov 2, 2006
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Makes perfect sense.

However I think they are fine tuning there successful product lines. Galaxy, Note, HDTV Series, even their appliance lines. I even think they are doing it faster and better then Apple. I was gonna buy a new iMac until the specs were released. No optic drive? No thanks.

At the same time they (Samsung) are trying new things.

As far as major appliances go? Samsung has earned my trust and my dollars (until they F up, then I'll go somewhere else). We have a front-load set of Samsung Steam washer and dryer that have given us perfect service for 4 years and done everything you could expect industry-leading devices to give. We're looking into a new kitchen set (French-Door fridge, dishwasher, OTR Microwave, and smooth-top Range) and will either go Samsung or Kitchenaid.
 

Lindsford

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Mar 14, 2012
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And if Apple made HDTV's I'd be forced to get all everything or nothing. Basically pay for stuff I don't want and not have an option for things I do want.

I really don't see how Samsung "clutters" the market. If someone is brain dead or just to lazy to do a couple minutes of research it could seem overwhelming.

Regardless of how I feel you said "When Samsung first began to take over HDTV market" in a conversation of how their business model isn't good. Unless taking over the market is a bad business model?

So in my quote not necessarily sure where I even mention it's a bad business model, Are you sure you're reading the proper paragraph? Or do your reading comprehension skills just need a little fine tuning?

Regardless of my opinion, they flood the market with models and I doubt you could begin to tell me distinctive features over their full range of models in just "a couple of minutes".

You don't see how they clutter the market?
Let's see, how many 120HZ ( I'm going off panel refresh rate not marketed CMR BS ) 55" HDTVs they have. 10.
Granted some are 3D, Some are not, Some are Wifi, Some are not. But 10 different HDTVS for similar specs is a bit excessive.
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55EH6000FXZA
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55ES6003FXZA
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55EH6030FXZA
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55EH6050FXZA
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55EH6070FXZA
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55ES6100FXZA
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55ES6150FXZA
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55ES6500FXZA
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55ES6550FXZA
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55ES6580FXZA

I know what I'm talking about, plus I own one myself :)
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55ES7100FXZA
 
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