Other iPhone Mini future

[xpxp2002]

You make it sound like it’s the 1980s, where nobody has access to the Internet, manufacturers nor carrier websites exist, consumers rely on salesmen completely, and every one of these uninformed folks somehow have money and an excellent credit rating.

If your scenario were true, the regular iPhone 11, 12, and 13 would have never sold at all. Who’s buying a plain iPhone 11 when iPhone 11 Pro Max is only “$5” more! Guess what, the cheapie iPhone 11 was the world’s best selling smartphone in 2020.

I've been in those stores and watched it happen first hand. Just because people have access to information doesn't mean they use it. If they did, the likes of CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Newsmax, etc. would all be bankrupt. There's a lot of money to be made by people peddling disinformation.

Business buys the iPhone "nothing" model. Tons of enterprise accounts. They buy the basic model. Consumers are the ones spending an extra $5/mo or whatever it works out to be to "upgrade" to the Pro Max because of carrier incentives.

 

[JPack]

But what were the volume of each? This is showing percentage of total share, which is good for comparing products sold next to each other, but not so for products sold during different time periods. In other words, it's completely possible for the 13 mini's sales June 2021 to April 2022 to be higher in raw numbers than the 14 Plus from June 2022 to April 2023, but percentage graphs over two different time periods won't display that. I'll admit that that's probably not the case -- but it's not proven by these graphs.

I've never heard of this DSCC, but the quality of their "report" is lacking, at best; and maliciously misleading at worst. It doesn't even mention what the percentage 13 mini panel shipments are. They're comparing the 14 series' panel shipment percentages to a nonexistent number; yet, proclaiming that the 14 Plus "appears to be doing a lot better than the iPhone 13 mini". There's no way to earnestly reach that conclusion with the information provided, but they proclaim it anyway.

You’re asking for paid reports that costs tens of thousands of dollars to buy. Of course these free reports won’t show it. What would DSCC eat for dinner if they gave everything away?

 

[xpxp2002]

You’re asking for paid reports that costs tens of thousands of dollars to buy. Of course these free reports won’t show it. What would DSCC eat for dinner if they gave everything away?

I'm asking for the report to show comparable information to support the claims made. I don't care if it's free or paid -- I'm just saying that the conclusions drawn are not supportable by the information made available.

 

[one more]

Anyway, the point is that among those who were afforded the opportunity to consider a 12 mini or 13 mini, few wanted a gimped, reasonably sized phone. Most people I know who were considering the mini ended up going with the 12 Pro or 13 Pro for the better cameras and display, and the name -- after all, it's a "Pro!" Put that hardware in a <6.1" device, call it a "Pro" too, and you'd have a winner.

The iPhone 11 model tiers made the most sense: a "small" Pro, a large Pro, and a mid-sized non-Pro. Rather than a "mini," a "nothing" that nobody except enterprise bulk buyers wanted, and two large and heavy Pro/Pro Max models; to maximize revenue while selling phones that were desirable to the entire population they should have made two Pros, one being less than 5.9" and the other being 6.5" or 6.7", and one 6.0-6.1" non-Pro.

If we go back to post #135, regular 6.1” 12, 13 and 14 seem to sell better than mini or similar sized Pros?

 

[xpxp2002]

If we go back to post #135, regular 6.1” 12, 13 and 14 seem to sell better than mini or similar sized Pros?

That's expected. I mentioned in an earlier post, business and enterprise accounts disproportionately buy the generic non-Pro model. That's also why I suggested the iPhone 11 tiering makes the most sense: it's two "Pro" consumer models with sizes that are most desirable to consumers, and a lower cost non-Pro mid-size model for enterprise and bulk buyers.

 

[FlyingTexan]

If we go back to post #135, regular 6.1” 12, 13 and 14 seem to sell better than mini or similar sized Pros?

That could be but while numbers don't lie they don't tell the truth either without context

1) What incentives do reps get for pushing the higher cost models?
2) What amount of stock did Apple have available?
3) How much did Apple spend on marketing the mini vs the other models?
4) What are the margin % for the different models?

I'm not disputing the iphone pro sold more but there could be valid reasons as to why.

 

[one more]

That could be but while numbers don't lie they don't tell the truth either without context

1) What incentives do reps get for pushing the higher cost models?
2) What amount of stock did Apple have available?
3) How much did Apple spend on marketing the mini vs the other models?
4) What are the margin % for the different models?

I'm not disputing the iphone pro sold more but there could be valid reasons as to why.

It is not only iPhone Pro and regular iPhones that sold more, but also iPhone SE! What incentives, marketing, stock and margin % would explain that?

 

[subjonas]

Have you seen the post #128 just above? It pretty much dispels a poor marketing theory.

No it doesn’t. As I pointed out earlier, if you look closely at the post, it doesn’t include the most major forms of advertisement—TV/internet/mobile ads. Nor does it compare hard marketing numbers. It just lists some things.

Again, not saying the Mini would have been popular, but the numbers are possibly biased, so we can’t be so sure there wouldn't have been some appreciable difference.

Edit- oops, I thought you meant post #121. I don’t believe #128 dispels anything either, for reasons I mentioned in #129. My ultimate point is not that the Mini was robbed of anything, but merely that we make way too strong of conclusions for what seems to me circumstantial evidence.

 

[subjonas]

However, if we look at the post #135 above, we will also learn than SE (a way cheaper model) still sold better than 13 mini in the same sales period. How would you explain that?

Not sure if I read this out of context, but I mentioned this earlier also—many people naturally go to the absolute cheapest product in a lineup, with or without advertising. That seems like a plausible explanation.

 

[FlyingTexan]

It is not only iPhone Pro and regular iPhones that sold more, but also iPhone SE! What incentives, marketing, stock and margin % would explain that?

I don't know but without data the numbers don't tell the whole story. Maybe there was a large push with SE phones internationally in break-out locations like india where they were more concerned with getting people into the apple ecosystem. A place where the $150+ price tag difference is a much larger portion of their income than it is here.

 

[bevsb2]

I bought a mini 13 today in case it gets discontinued on Tues. I know it would still be available at other carriers for awhile but I prefer to purchase my phones from Apple. If it is discontinued I will keep it for later use as the mini 12 is fine for now. If it is upgraded or gets a price drop I will have 2 weeks to return it. I opened it to be sure it was working ok and didn't have an ugly yellow screen and it is perfect. Beautiful screen.

 

[Chuckeee]

When I am eventually ready for a new iPhone I would love a mini iPhone form factor. But I realize the likelihood of this is also very small (almost mini 🤪).

I don’t blame Apple, it is just another example of American runaway consumerism. Go out there on the highway and most of the “cars” are giant SUV or mega pickup trucks. And many of the drivers with something less gigantic wish they had giant one too but, just cannot afford one. ( while I happily putt around in my Miata).

It is the same way with smart phone screen size. Few want a mini in the world of giants (mega max ultra pro), and many who would settle for a mini only because it’s the lowest cost configuration

I’m afraid those of us whose 1st choice would be a mini (or would even pay a premium for one) are a minuscule portion of the marketplace.

 

[badarihp]

iPhone Mini Might Be Discontinued Following Apple Event This Week After Three-Year Run

Fans of smaller phones rejoiced when Apple introduced the iPhone 12 mini in 2020, followed by the iPhone 13 mini a year later. However, after nearly...

www.macrumors.com

 

[GZR]

It's gone people.

 

[Macalicious2011]

It's gone people.

Mine might be gone too. Although I love my iPhone 13 Mini, the 15 Pro specs and features are simply insane. They leave the 13 Mini behind. I just ran a trade in quote for music magpie and can get £335 for my 13 Mini 128GB. Will mull on it for 48 as I have 7 days to make a decision.

My early upgrade cost is £500 so I’ll see if the man math work out. I hope that the 15 Pro plans will be sensible.

 

[badarihp]

It's gone people.

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We will have see in couple of years how ppl will respond to mega screens after the research says ppl can’t take their eyes off their smartphones and are highly addicted later wants to switch back to smaller screens.

 

[xpxp2002]

Mine might be gone too. Although I love my iPhone 13 Mini, the 15 Pro specs and features are simply insane. They leave the 13 Mini behind. I just ran a trade in quote for music magpie and can get £335 for my 13 Mini 128GB. Will mull on it for 48 as I have 7 days to make a decision.

My early upgrade cost is £500 so I’ll see if the man math work out. I hope that the 15 Pro plans will be sensible.

I have a 13 mini that I use every day and a 13 Pro that I occasionally use, mostly for its camera. The 13 Pro is way too large and heavy to carry around and use every day.

I really had no interest in another 6.1" or larger iPhone going into this presentation. But I found the announcement that they shrunk the 15 Pro's body rather than making the screen bigger quite compelling. Between that and the lighter titanium frame, I'm going to an Apple Store in the next couple weeks to compare.

 

[Aratim]

What a shame, can not believe people buying these phablets!!!!

 

[JPack]

Looks like many people are still at #2 or #3.

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

"If Apple had put more effort into marketing, the mini would sell so well!"

"Maybe, just maybe they can update the mini every other year. Please, Apple?"

 

[martiansoldier]

Looks like I'll be giving up my beloved 12 mini for a 15 pro.

 

[Lioness~]

I bought my Mini last year, so I will have it to probably end 2025 or somewhere, I suppose. Last phone and the one before I had like 4 yrs.
If Apple haven't released a smaller flip at that time, I will buy an Samsung for just having a small phone.
Sure it's crap without iOS, but I rather have a small phone than walking around with an iPad mini sized phone with iOS. That's what I feel now.
But maybe I will drop next iPadMini and buy a BIG phone instead, like people seem to to.
A later problem. iPhone Mini is my puppy right now ♥️

 

[badarihp]

iPhone mini wasn't successful due to its poor battery backup. News of iPhone 15 significant battery capacity increase is circulating now. I hope apple could redesign iPhone mini with a much battery capacity now. Please apple, small screen fans are still out there!

Check the battery capacity of iPhone 15 line up below.

This year iPhone 15 didn’t get stacked battery technology as mentioned by macrumors earlier. I may be implemented for the next year iPhone 16 I guess.

Stacked battery capacity rumors

 

[bevsb2]

I bought my Mini last year, so I will have it to probably end 2025 or somewhere, I suppose. Last phone and the one before I had like 4 yrs.
If Apple haven't released a smaller flip at that time, I will buy an Samsung for just having a small phone.
Sure it's crap without iOS, but I rather have a small phone than walking around with an iPad mini sized phone with iOS. That's what I feel now.
But maybe I will drop next iPadMini and buy a BIG phone instead, like people seem to to.
A later problem. iPhone Mini is my puppy right now ♥️

iPhone Mini 13 will have Apple support until 2028 but wonder how well it will be working by that time.

 

[Lioness~]

iPhone Mini 13 will have Apple support until 2028 but wonder how well it will be working by that time.

I won’t have it that long. If it’s good enough until mid/end 2025, I am happy with it.

But if Apple don’t come out with smaller Flip Phones when my Mini doesn’t serve good enough, I will buy a Samsung Flip. No big deal, I’ve had them before, and loved the phone. Maybe won’t love the os that much, but it will solves itself down the road. I am still enjoying my Mini now.

 

[one more]

This year iPhone 15 didn’t get stacked battery technology as mentioned by macrumors earlier. I may be implemented for the next year iPhone 16 I guess.

iPhone 15 battery of 3,349 mAh and A16 combo are still very impressive compared to 13 mini’s 2,406 mAh and A15. The future is now! 🙂🖐️