http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7-p15xbXB4&feature=player_embedded
Good video explaining the OLED screen, Apple needs some catching up to do.
Good video explaining the OLED screen, Apple needs some catching up to do.
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I stopped reading here and give no credibility to anyone that doesn't own what they are critiquing. Fanboys will be fanboys
I know that's your standard explanation for why any Apple product sells as well as it does, but really, no amount of marketing can compensate for a device that fails to deliver a good user experience.
Apple's marketing can convince people that an iPhone "is a must have", but after the purchase, if the majority of people felt otherwise, the iPhone's sales -- on its third generation -- wouldn't continue to be as strong as they are. The cat would have been out of the bag a long, long time ago.
I own a milestone which is close enough, and also Android. I haved used my friend's Nexus, and it is just a letdown in every way.I stopped reading here and give no credibility to anyone that doesn't own what they are critiquing. Fanboys will be fanboys
So, you can be as childish as you wish, branding me "fanboy", but I have in my hand this very second, the disastrously slow Moto Milestone, which currently is struggling to keep up with something as menial as entering text on a webpage, whilst FIVE other apps remain open for no reason at all, except inefficient OS design.
Fanboy?... nope, just see no need in paying six workers, when only one is doing any graft.
Android has a long road ahead, and so far the ride is bumpy.
you past over the other part didn' you.
I never said the iPhone was not good. I said it was good. Apple marketing and the trust people put in apple can make up for a lot of miss giving. I tried ot point that out with what IBM pulled off back in the day.
I can give example from the iPhone that it got away with due to marketing and that trust. Big one is MMS and copy paste. Apple was pretty much forgiven for failing to deliver that on day one. Apple is still being forgiven for its lack of multitasking and craptacor notification system. Apple gets away with having a pretty low scream quality. Apple gets away with a complete lack of a spell checker.
Yes apple does stuff good and deliver what is expect but it also gets away with a lot due to people trust in the brand and its marketing. No other company could of gotten away with that list of items Apple iPhone has had and some it continues to get away with.
Apple marketing and trust makes up for a lot of slop. No away around that argument. The iPhone is good no getting around that either. It is a good phone but gets away with some massive shortcomings.
Talking of shortcomings... perhaps you should find the spellchecker of which you speak, and run your posts through it
As for your criticism of Apple's marketing strategy, and the implication that marketing is almost the only reason iPhone users are iPhone users, have you been living under a rock recently?. Google hyped the Nexus in such a way as to imply that it was "iPhone++"... and it's all been downhill from then on!.
1/ Purchasing system falls over, rejecting credit cards left, right & centre.
2/ No telephone support whatsoever.
3/ Ringtone sounder is as good as useless - a mouse could fart louder.
4/ AMOLED is barely visible in daylight.
5/ What's with that redundant little trackball, that HTC seem to cling onto?.
6/ Apps are rubbish on the whole.
Okay I'll end my laundry list right here as this is not my main point...
Google think they can just magic some hybrid OS out of thin air within 3 years (OS X has been around since around 2000) and expect it to be as good as an OS that has been tried & tested for 9+ years?. So it is based on Linux kernel... and?. I think not.
Apple may create hype, but at least the product they tempt, taunt & excite people with lives up to expectations!
I have owned TWO Android handsets in as many months, and a friend has owned one. Considering ALL of these three handsets are in the process of being sold, kinda tells you something about how immature Android is, and how the Google hype and marketing of which you accuse Apple of doing, falls flat on it's face due to complete disappointment from consumers. Okay, so a few thousand geeks will LOVE Android because of it's affinity with "open-source" - big deal
Face facts - Apple have set the standard, and noone has bettered it (yet).
the nexus one is $529 in the US. https://www.google.com/phone/choose?locale=en_US&s7e=
not $600, but close enough to be just as expensive IMO...
however, although I love my iPhone, I would like to play with a nexus one to just see what all the hype/fuss is all about. I'm more excited, however, about what Apple may possibly release as an upgrade this summer!
Just make sure you don't pay for the Nexus you intend to play with. Now let me think - I have £500 to spend:
1/ Android [X]
2/ iPhone [_/]
I have owned TWO Android handsets in as many months, and a friend has owned one. Considering ALL of these three handsets are in the process of being sold, kinda tells you something about how immature Android is, and how the Google hype and marketing of which you accuse Apple of doing, falls flat on it's face due to complete disappointment from consumers. Okay, so a few thousand geeks will LOVE Android because of it's affinity with "open-source" - big deal
Face facts - Apple have set the standard, and noone has bettered it (yet).
Tell you the truth all 3 being sold tells me nothing other than they are not the iPhone so you do nto want them. Safe to assume you started with the iPhone and tried something different. hated.
I could go on picking at your list but you do not understand my point at all. Apple was able to convene people you want a smart phone and able to use the fandom and the trust to cover up the mistakes and things lacking.
Android has its problem no deny that. I find people here a lot of them never give it a chance before desiding it suck.
You ring tone bashing of the nexus I google up on that it seems a meh thing about what I expect for most phones. The common solution I read is try different ring tones. Some cut threw the air better. I am picking about ring tones on my phone and for example I have one ring tone that worked great on this phone A but suck on Phone B. Oddly enough the Ring tone that worked great on Phone B sucked on Phone A. Hit or miss. Trick is picking out the right one.
Screen bashing OLED on Nexus sucks in sun. I think another review here said that in direct sun light the iPhone was a little better but not by much. In direct sunlight they both are pretty crappy.
The track ball on the Nexus One I find was a good idea for fine tuning where to pick. I can not tell you how many times I miss the exact link I want on my iPod Touch because everything is to far apart. If I had a track ball I could of fined tuned it to hit the link I wanted. Instead I have to zoom way in and then click the link. Annoying but some times the only way.
I also noticed that you listed things that had nothing to do directly with the phone itself but the support side. Not going to compare that. I never both calling tech support on anything and tend to google my answers any how so a mute point to me. I am going to assume most people are that way.
Either way you missed my point about apple marketing and trust factor lets them get away with stuff they should not.
That's right, way to curry favour ON AN APPLE FORUM, implying iPhone owners have no discretion or common sense, and bought them "just in case Apple decide to release and update that makes iPhone remotely useful".
Good call... yep, we're all idiots.
Sounds like I was right.
I called it when I said that you started with an iPhone. All the Androids were different and you hated them and dump them. Getting 3 really does not tell me much.
It to me is the same crap I hear from people who have never used a mac or OSX. They use it for little bit hate it because it is not what they are used to.
I am not trying to curry favor but I do not take the crap put out from the RDF apple puts up and the down right lies I read posted by some people bashing anothers product.
Talking of shortcomings... perhaps you should find the spellchecker of which you speak, and run your posts through it
As for your criticism of Apple's marketing strategy, and the implication that marketing is almost the only reason iPhone users are iPhone users, have you been living under a rock recently?. Google hyped the Nexus in such a way as to imply that it was "iPhone++"... and it's all been downhill from then on!.
1/ Purchasing system falls over, rejecting credit cards left, right & centre.
2/ No telephone support whatsoever.
3/ Ringtone sounder is as good as useless - a mouse could fart louder.
4/ AMOLED is barely visible in daylight.
5/ What's with that redundant little trackball, that HTC seem to cling onto?.
6/ Apps are rubbish on the whole.
Okay I'll end my laundry list right here as this is not my main point...
Google think they can just magic some hybrid OS out of thin air within 3 years (OS X has been around since around 2000) and expect it to be as good as an OS that has been tried & tested for 9+ years?. So it is based on Linux kernel... and?. I think not.
Apple may create hype, but at least the product they tempt, taunt & excite people with lives up to expectations!
I have owned TWO Android handsets in as many months, and a friend has owned one. Considering ALL of these three handsets are in the process of being sold, kinda tells you something about how immature Android is, and how the Google hype and marketing of which you accuse Apple of doing, falls flat on it's face due to complete disappointment from consumers. Okay, so a few thousand geeks will LOVE Android because of it's affinity with "open-source" - big deal
Face facts - Apple have set the standard, and noone has bettered it (yet).
I don't know what hyping you're referring to, maybe it's that giant tv blitz that we saw before the N1 was released... oh wait no, must have been all the billboards that they bought up... no wasn't that either. That must've been the gigantic Verizon Droid campaign that's been going on since December perhaps? Oh you must be referring to the release conference that occurred Jan. 5th right? The one that's just like every Apple release conference ever? They brought out Superphone, huh well that reminds me of the "magical" iPad, or the "incredible" iPhone that we hear about each and every year... Gee, I guess they reeeeeeally overhyped that one and it didn't live up to the promise at all. If that's what you're talking about, I just feel sorry for you. Google didn't hype anything, they gave the unit to their employees, and "we" did the rest.
People build up things in their collective minds, sorta like the Apple tablet perhaps? I bet you were one of the people decrying it as soon as it was announced because of your "two tablets from a different mfr. that you own" and your "friend's iPad" that you've played with for a bit. While you clearly feel the need to hate on anything non-Apple, some of us are open to trying different things. Personally, I had an iPhone from August 2007 to January 6, 2010, and I got tired of it and decided to try something different, doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.
1/ Purchasing system falls over, rejecting credit cards left, right & centre.
Not sure how that relates to the phone, because it doesn't in any way. There's one strike. I can't say that I had any trouble ordering my phone at all...
2/ No telephone support whatsoever.
That would be nice, though I haven't had any problems yet so I haven't needed it. Additionally, while a brick-and-mortar location would be pleasant, Apple stores are atrocious at serving customers efficiently and are notorious for either being stuck-up and talking down to people about their problems or not knowing what they're talking about... at least from my experience... guess that's not a strike
3/ Ringtone sounder is as good as useless - a mouse could fart louder.
Yeah and the iPhone is a freaking megaphone? No... can't say that either of them are particularly great in any respect... Strike two
4/ AMOLED is barely visible in daylight.
Maybe if you don't turn the brightness up. I agree that this shouldn't be necessary, but it's perfectly visible if the brightness is increased, even to 50% in my use. Often the adaptive brightness is much less and is unreadable, but hey 25% is rarely gonna be that great. There's a gigantic difference between that and keeping it at 50% or higher. This is highly overrated, maybe I'll not give you a strike here.
5/ What's with that redundant little trackball, that HTC seem to cling onto?.
What's your problem with the trackball? Hey I'll tell you what I like, a system of notification that repeats until it's addressed but is non-obtrusive... sounds good to me, just like the iPhone right? Oh wait, there you get an initial screen light-up and two follow up buzzes, then nothing. That's a great system, not to mention no customization to what you might like.... Here's an arbitrary statement, "what's with that redundant chrome bezel, that Apple seem to cling to?" Surely that serves no purpose at all right? There's another strike, guess you're out before this is over.
6/ Apps are rubbish on the whole.
Hey that's a legitimate statement, or is it? Well, I'd say that the Bank of America app is exactly the same on both platforms, which is weird cause it's apparently rubbish on Android... guess it must be on iPhone OS as well right? Twidroid, as good as any iPhone Twitter app I've used. Facebook, just as functional as the iPhone version. Beautiful Widgets, just as helpful on Android as on... oh wait, that doesn't exist. We get static weather, finance, etc on iPhone... huh, too bad there. There are certainly many more useful apps in the App Store than there are on the Android Market at this point, but that doesn't mean the ones in there are rubbish. Especially with as many gratuitously pointless apps as there are in the App Store, or haven't you looked at those? Well there aren't four strikes, so I guess you're ejected for sucking and for being a total douchebag...
Google think they can just magic some hybrid OS out of thin air within 3 years (OS X has been around since around 2000) and expect it to be as good as an OS that has been tried & tested for 9+ years?. So it is based on Linux kernel... and?. I think not.
Wow, so how long has Linux been around in general, since we're comparing the mobile OS' progenitor software? I'm pretty sure it's been around since before 2000 just like Mac OS X, and the iPhone OS is not Mac OS X, though it's certainly based on it. So it's based on an OS X kernel... and?. I think not.
Apple may create hype, but at least the product they tempt, taunt & excite people with lives up to expectations!
I have owned TWO Android handsets in as many months, and a friend has owned one. Considering ALL of these three handsets are in the process of being sold, kinda tells you something about how immature Android is, and how the Google hype and marketing of which you accuse Apple of doing, falls flat on it's face due to complete disappointment from consumers. Okay, so a few thousand geeks will LOVE Android because of it's affinity with "open-source" - big deal
So you're telling me that the product that people are constantly complaining about, and saying is lacking, lives up to expectations? I doubt it, and they aren't even realistic to begin with, so you have absolutely no point whatsoever. Sounds like you're making judgments based on your extremely limited knowledge base. Hey, I can do that too. I have owned an iPhone, and so has my brother... both of these are sold/in the process of being sold to get the N1. Guess that tells you something about how tired iPhone OS has become and how much more we can do with open minds and a willingness to try something else out to see if it's better... early results = yes. I guess I must be a geek because I think I'm getting more out of my N1 because of its responsive notifications, its actual proper Exchange integration, its hardware, its looks, its "open source" (read non-closed nature not requiring warranty-voiding to alter no matter how reversible that is), its lack of douchebag fanboi motherf*ckers like you that have no sense whatsoever when they make comments... oh wait they're here too. I'd say you lose, but nice try
Wow, that was long-winded... thanks Stella, you kept me going through this
The nexus 1 is a newer phone like the Droid. The next major update for apple may have an efficient way to multi-task and more. Till then, it is just that. Google learned a lot from apple's success on the iphone, but it is not better. It is not a fair one to one comparison, but the iphone 3gs is still better. You have to compare the N1 with the next iphone that comes out this year. N1 is a good 1st of its kind, but it has a lot of room for improvements.
Hmmmmm......one wonders if you'll still be singing that same tune should Apple bring multitasking to the iPhone. Will it still be pointless to you then? I wonder.
Loving how I'm branded a fanboy for admiring the elegance and efficiency of a platform that's been around for almost three years, vs a phone that was released only a month ago... and a phone with evident weaknesses, like a ringer you can't even hear and a trackball on a touch device... and yet you justify these "features" with their redundancy, in a manner that is almost certainly fanboyism from the Android camp.
How many products do Apple release, that don't live up the the marketing hype?. Not an awful lot, if any. Are you wondering why Apple products have their own "culture" and community?. Do I need to tell you?. Okay, there are examples of bad service from Apple - odd examples, and notice how you only ever hear from people when they receive bad service, and the rant magnifies the problem, and causes people to assume that Apple are terrible with customer service, when the majority of evidence from many, many people dictates to the complete contrary. Google has no "customers" as-such, who can report back to them directly to inform them of a good/bad experience on X/Y brand handset, because they don't care about that handset, and the majority of mobile manufacturers couldn't care less either, they just wish to be seen as cutting-edge and "open-source" protagonists!.
Google has it's collective fingers in an awful lot of pies right now... It is blatently obvious they wish Android to overthrow iPhone in an "open-source wins" kinda way. Apple do computers, iPod & iPhone... they refine what they have again and again, instead of constantly trying to one-up their competitors. They're confident and happy with their products; after all, everyone wants to copy them, not the inverse. I consider Android OS to be the mobile equivalent of Windows & Linux - "One size fits all". It is a very admirable effort, but each manufacturer has their own ideas, designs and taste. Android is inconsistent (there are currently four versions of Android OS in use, spread across a wide variety of handsets from different manufacturers, a lot of which use different and inconsistent interfaces).
iPhone is simple to use, highly efficient and pleasing to the eye. You can say what you like on a forum, but people vote with their feet... and I'll let you Google your own research as to how successful iPhone & it's OS have become, and you can see for yourself how many people own them - surely they cannot all be idiots?.
@KUKitch... the Linux kernel has been around since 1991 - the GNU software that wraps around it, much longer. Android OS is not GNU, it just happens to use the Linux kernel... that means nothing, the UI and various OS layers between the user and the kernel are in their infancy, and hence very new and bug ridden. Would you like me to tell you how many times my Milestone & T-mobile Pulse have stopped responding, rebooted and crashed?. Many.
I wish Android all the best - hopefully they'll work all the problems out in time, and come to some arrangement where the UI is less clunky and slapped together. There are parts of it I initially liked (notification shade, app drawer) but which quickly lost their appeal, and left me wondering "why"... why, is because they are just gratuitous ways to allow android to say "look, we can do touch too". Big deal.
How many products do Apple release, that don't live up the the marketing hype?. Not an awful lot, if any. Are you wondering why Apple products have their own "culture" and community?. Do I need to tell you?. Okay, there are examples of bad service from Apple - odd examples, and notice how you only ever hear from people when they receive bad service, and the rant magnifies the problem, and causes people to assume that Apple are terrible with customer service, when the majority of evidence from many, many people dictates to the complete contrary. Google has no "customers" as-such, who can report back to them directly to inform them of a good/bad experience on X/Y brand handset, because they don't care about that handset, and the majority of mobile manufacturers couldn't care less either, they just wish to be seen as cutting-edge and "open-source" protagonists!.
Google has it's collective fingers in an awful lot of pies right now... It is blatently obvious they wish Android to overthrow iPhone in an "open-source wins" kinda way. Apple do computers, iPod & iPhone... they refine what they have again and again, instead of constantly trying to one-up their competitors. They're confident and happy with their products; after all, everyone wants to copy them, not the inverse. I consider Android OS to be the mobile equivalent of Windows & Linux - "One size fits all". It is a very admirable effort, but each manufacturer has their own ideas, designs and taste. Android is inconsistent (there are currently four versions of Android OS in use, spread across a wide variety of handsets from different manufacturers, a lot of which use different and inconsistent interfaces).
iPhone is simple to use, highly efficient and pleasing to the eye. You can say what you like on a forum, but people vote with their feet... and I'll let you Google your own research as to how successful iPhone & it's OS have become, and you can see for yourself how many people own them - surely they cannot all be idiots?.
@KUKitch... the Linux kernel has been around since 1991 - the GNU software that wraps around it, much longer. Android OS is not GNU, it just happens to use the Linux kernel... that means nothing, the UI and various OS layers between the user and the kernel are in their infancy, and hence very new and bug ridden. Would you like me to tell you how many times my Milestone & T-mobile Pulse have stopped responding, rebooted and crashed?. Many.
I wish Android all the best - hopefully they'll work all the problems out in time, and come to some arrangement where the UI is less clunky and slapped together. There are parts of it I initially liked (notification shade, app drawer) but which quickly lost their appeal, and left me wondering "why"... why, is because they are just gratuitous ways to allow android to say "look, we can do touch too". Big deal.
Wow, this thread kinda got out of hand. What's wrong with some people thinking the Nexus One is better than the iPhone? Sure, many people like the iPhone, but the Nexus One and Android are gaining here.
Yea, YOU might not like the Nexus One or think it's rubbish, but if I had that attitude, I'd be missing out on great features like google voice integration, google navigation, notification system, and yes, multitasking.
The OS is different. If you are used to the iPhone OS you need to think about things a little differently. But that is only because you've been on the iPhone OS and have grown accustomed to it. Not because it's necessarily 'easier' to use. If you've been on one system for 3 years and move to something else, anything different is going to take getting used to.
Yea, YOU might not like the Nexus One or think it's rubbish, but if I had that attitude, I'd be missing out on great features like google voice integration, google navigation, notification system, and yes, multitasking.
The OS is different. If you are used to the iPhone OS you need to think about things a little differently. But that is only because you've been on the iPhone OS and have grown accustomed to it. Not because it's necessarily 'easier' to use. If you've been on one system for 3 years and move to something else, anything different is going to take getting used to.
We all know Apple will continue to evolve & innovate, beyond our expectations. Whether or not we admit it, iPhone is ahead of the curve, and I have every faith in Apple to absolutely flatten all in their wake with the next iPhone release.
Android is great okay, but it is all stuff that has been done before, and in better ways.
If you take your pick, then enjoy it.
Android is great okay, but it is all stuff that has been done before, and in better ways.
If you take your pick, then enjoy it.
They might have been ahead of the curve 3 years ago, but the updates to the 3G and 3GS were severely lacking compared to what the Nexus One has.
You saying you have 'faith in Apple' just shows your fanboyism. Have fun with your Jesus Phone.
No worries, I won't. The only way I would is if a friend purchased one or the phone went to carriers that will get a display unit in their stores. Until then, no Nexus One viewing for me
Your first paragraph is simply not true. All these advancements came out after the 3GS was released. At the time the 3GS was released it had the best hardware of any phone and equalled the Pre. What see know is the benefits of Android with multiple manufacturers. There is constant competing updates throughout the year and iPhone only has annual updates.
Does Apple have catching up to do? Yes. The hardware and software is very old and outdated. The PNS seems like it was rushed to compete with the Pre's multitasking capabilities and is sloppily done. They better have something special to offer in the coming months.
Lol, now we're clutching at straws, comparing iPhone to the Pre, the biggest flop handset in ages. Love the humour.